Dan Reed of JustUpthePike fame

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is some hyperbole in this thread.

What I think would be a fair criticism of Dan is-

-he drastically favors East county to west. That means among other things he is anti transit except public transportation. The reality is a lot of us in Gaithersburg and beyond depend on cars. We all cant afford to just live in DTSS. Sure, changing the zoning would help (for FUTURE people), but some of us made the decision to sprawl by sheer neccessity.

-He generally refuses to even consider the opinions of people who do not agree with his far left views, across the board.

-Not every neighborhood wants tons of density. Those of us who chose to move farther out of city centers for more land, more space, etc- dont neccesarily want tons of density right in our backyard. Again- it's fine that he does, but he seems to never consider the viewpoints of those who dont agree with him in lockstep.

BTW- the idea from an above poster that Marc Elrich somehow isnt progressive *enough* is borderline scary. He has at times referred to himself a socialist for godsakes.

Great - than you alone should pay for widening 270 AND all the downstream roads that will also need to be widened to accommodate the greater volumes of traffic. I take (took) Metro into work and barely use my car and my down county neighborhood is overwhelmed by up county cars everyday making it less livable so you can at least pay for your stupid choice to live in the hell of G'burg.

This^^^^ times infinity.

We don't want to subsidize your housing and transportation choices.

Where are all the little people supposed to live to support you......

I swear urbanists are some of the most stuck up classists I know and they call themselves progressive

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For those of you complaining about upcounty residents who drive cars -- you realize this was by design, from the progressives? We have a massive agricultural reserve that takes up 1/3 of all of MoCo, which is beautiful, and people live there on land plots that _cannot_ be smaller than a certain size by design, to _prevent_ density. This was all in the plan. Public transport simply isn't viable there.

https://visitmontgomery.com/explore/ag-reserve/

I think Reed is fine for promoting Silver Spring. I worry that he, like many politicians from TP and SS, forget that there's more to MoCo than just downcounty. Germantown, Damascus, Boyds, etc are all lovely places with residents whose voices also need to be heard.

It's not the ag reserve, its the down zoning in the parts of the county that are close enough in and transit accessible that is the issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

And there it is again. Even with the nasty tone.

Live where we tell you to. Work where we tell you to. Anything else is destructive.
Upzone as much as you want. It's great, I'm all for it.

But not everyone wants to live in a high rise apartment or condo. Don't make that decision out to be racist, or selfish, or destructive.

People can have and disagree with housing options without the need for all the smugness and name calling. There isnt ONE correct, and only way to live.

The issue is who pays for the externalities of the decision to live the way you are living. At the moment, it is everyone else. If you and your neighbors were to pay the full cost of your lifestyle, then it wouldn't be an issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He is lefter than left, and def virtue signals.

Had a post yesterday about how caring about your property values is racist. Umm, ok.

Had a colleague yesterday state that rent is racist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is some hyperbole in this thread.

What I think would be a fair criticism of Dan is-

-he drastically favors East county to west. That means among other things he is anti transit except public transportation. The reality is a lot of us in Gaithersburg and beyond depend on cars. We all cant afford to just live in DTSS. Sure, changing the zoning would help (for FUTURE people), but some of us made the decision to sprawl by sheer neccessity.

-He generally refuses to even consider the opinions of people who do not agree with his far left views, across the board.

-Not every neighborhood wants tons of density. Those of us who chose to move farther out of city centers for more land, more space, etc- dont neccesarily want tons of density right in our backyard. Again- it's fine that he does, but he seems to never consider the viewpoints of those who dont agree with him in lockstep.

BTW- the idea from an above poster that Marc Elrich somehow isnt progressive *enough* is borderline scary. He has at times referred to himself a socialist for godsakes.

Great - than you alone should pay for widening 270 AND all the downstream roads that will also need to be widened to accommodate the greater volumes of traffic. I take (took) Metro into work and barely use my car and my down county neighborhood is overwhelmed by up county cars everyday making it less livable so you can at least pay for your stupid choice to live in the hell of G'burg.

This^^^^ times infinity.

We don't want to subsidize your housing and transportation choices.

Where are all the little people supposed to live to support you......

I swear urbanists are some of the most stuck up classists I know and they call themselves progressive

the 'little people' are living in apartments in Silver Spring, Takoma and other high density inner suburbs. YOu all mostly complain when "they" are crammed into houses in the exurbs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is some hyperbole in this thread.

What I think would be a fair criticism of Dan is-

-he drastically favors East county to west. That means among other things he is anti transit except public transportation. The reality is a lot of us in Gaithersburg and beyond depend on cars. We all cant afford to just live in DTSS. Sure, changing the zoning would help (for FUTURE people), but some of us made the decision to sprawl by sheer neccessity.

-He generally refuses to even consider the opinions of people who do not agree with his far left views, across the board.

-Not every neighborhood wants tons of density. Those of us who chose to move farther out of city centers for more land, more space, etc- dont neccesarily want tons of density right in our backyard. Again- it's fine that he does, but he seems to never consider the viewpoints of those who dont agree with him in lockstep.

BTW- the idea from an above poster that Marc Elrich somehow isnt progressive *enough* is borderline scary. He has at times referred to himself a socialist for godsakes.

Great - than you alone should pay for widening 270 AND all the downstream roads that will also need to be widened to accommodate the greater volumes of traffic. I take (took) Metro into work and barely use my car and my down county neighborhood is overwhelmed by up county cars everyday making it less livable so you can at least pay for your stupid choice to live in the hell of G'burg.

This^^^^ times infinity.

We don't want to subsidize your housing and transportation choices.

Where are all the little people supposed to live to support you......

I swear urbanists are some of the most stuck up classists I know and they call themselves progressive

By "little people" you are probably referring to low income people, most of whom live in Eastern MoCo or PG and not up county in sprawling car oriented suburbs. Those of us who actually care about these people have been advocating for better transit (the Purple Line) and schools (more equitable re-districting which is something Dan is big on) so nice try but no subsidizing up county living does almost nothing for "little people" or low income people.

Lower Montgomery County really is not that dense and based on prices to date at least there appears to be a lot of unmet demand for housing near transit. Dense and affordable senior housing, for example, would create more turnover in close in suburban homes so younger families could move into those homes and enjoy shorter commutes. But the supply isn't adequate which means higher prices so seniors aren't going to ditch their paid off home for a condo of similar value that eliminates their liquidity and that then reduces the turnover keeping the prices on single family homes artificially high.

Montgomery County to its credit does have some good ideas for densification of the Rockville Pike near its Metro stations but Prince Georges still has not been successful at adding housing near Metro but all of this is undermined if the state pours billions into widening 270 and other roads and artificially subsidizes up-county living.

[Anonymous]

Again it seems my townhouse upcounty and hybrid camry have been turned into a 700k house, and some giant SUV.

Thanks for the upgrade I guess?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Again it seems my townhouse upcounty and hybrid camry have been turned into a 700k house, and some giant SUV.

Thanks for the upgrade I guess?

Wouldn't you prefer to have the same house but Downcounty?

That's what Dan is all about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again it seems my townhouse upcounty and hybrid camry have been turned into a 700k house, and some giant SUV.

Thanks for the upgrade I guess?

Wouldn't you prefer to have the same house but Downcounty?

That's what Dan is all about.

Maybe 15 years ago. But I'm not uprooting my family now.

And to this point- by all means upzone down county. Good!

I just hate the idea that I'm somehow selfish or subsdiized by (gasp) driving a car to work, and living up 270. You know lighting cigars with 100 dollar bills and all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again it seems my townhouse upcounty and hybrid camry have been turned into a 700k house, and some giant SUV.

Thanks for the upgrade I guess?

Wouldn't you prefer to have the same house but Downcounty?

That's what Dan is all about.

Maybe 15 years ago. But I'm not uprooting my family now.

And to this point- by all means upzone down county. Good!

I just hate the idea that I'm somehow selfish or subsdiized by (gasp) driving a car to work, and living up 270. You know lighting cigars with 100 dollar bills and all.

You are definitely subsidized, but it's not your fault really, and you're not selfish. You're a victim of the poor land use decisions county staff made in the decades before you bought your house.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again it seems my townhouse upcounty and hybrid camry have been turned into a 700k house, and some giant SUV.

Thanks for the upgrade I guess?

Wouldn't you prefer to have the same house but Downcounty?

That's what Dan is all about.

Maybe 15 years ago. But I'm not uprooting my family now.

And to this point- by all means upzone down county. Good!

I just hate the idea that I'm somehow selfish or subsdiized by (gasp) driving a car to work, and living up 270. You know lighting cigars with 100 dollar bills and all.

If you're fine with upzoning down county why do you care about Dan Reed? You've been the dominant voice in this thread, to the point that I know any your house and both your cars in detail, and it doesn't even sound like you disagree with the Reed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is some hyperbole in this thread.

What I think would be a fair criticism of Dan is-

-he drastically favors East county to west. That means among other things he is anti transit except public transportation. The reality is a lot of us in Gaithersburg and beyond depend on cars. We all cant afford to just live in DTSS. Sure, changing the zoning would help (for FUTURE people), but some of us made the decision to sprawl by sheer neccessity.

-He generally refuses to even consider the opinions of people who do not agree with his far left views, across the board.

-Not every neighborhood wants tons of density. Those of us who chose to move farther out of city centers for more land, more space, etc- dont neccesarily want tons of density right in our backyard. Again- it's fine that he does, but he seems to never consider the viewpoints of those who dont agree with him in lockstep.

BTW- the idea from an above poster that Marc Elrich somehow isnt progressive *enough* is borderline scary. He has at times referred to himself a socialist for godsakes.

Great - than you alone should pay for widening 270 AND all the downstream roads that will also need to be widened to accommodate the greater volumes of traffic. I take (took) Metro into work and barely use my car and my down county neighborhood is overwhelmed by up county cars everyday making it less livable so you can at least pay for your stupid choice to live in the hell of G'burg.

This^^^^ times infinity.

We don't want to subsidize your housing and transportation choices.

Careful, they're going to say they don't want to subsidize your metro fare.

The us-versus-them mentality of the roads and transit crowds is entirely counterproductive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is some hyperbole in this thread.

What I think would be a fair criticism of Dan is-

-he drastically favors East county to west. That means among other things he is anti transit except public transportation. The reality is a lot of us in Gaithersburg and beyond depend on cars. We all cant afford to just live in DTSS. Sure, changing the zoning would help (for FUTURE people), but some of us made the decision to sprawl by sheer neccessity.

-He generally refuses to even consider the opinions of people who do not agree with his far left views, across the board.

-Not every neighborhood wants tons of density. Those of us who chose to move farther out of city centers for more land, more space, etc- dont neccesarily want tons of density right in our backyard. Again- it's fine that he does, but he seems to never consider the viewpoints of those who dont agree with him in lockstep.

BTW- the idea from an above poster that Marc Elrich somehow isnt progressive *enough* is borderline scary. He has at times referred to himself a socialist for godsakes.

Great - than you alone should pay for widening 270 AND all the downstream roads that will also need to be widened to accommodate the greater volumes of traffic. I take (took) Metro into work and barely use my car and my down county neighborhood is overwhelmed by up county cars everyday making it less livable so you can at least pay for your stupid choice to live in the hell of G'burg.

This^^^^ times infinity.

We don't want to subsidize your housing and transportation choices.

Where are all the little people supposed to live to support you......

I swear urbanists are some of the most stuck up classists I know and they call themselves progressive

By "little people" you are probably referring to low income people, most of whom live in Eastern MoCo or PG and not up county in sprawling car oriented suburbs. Those of us who actually care about these people have been advocating for better transit (the Purple Line) and schools (more equitable re-districting which is something Dan is big on) so nice try but no subsidizing up county living does almost nothing for "little people" or low income people.

Lower Montgomery County really is not that dense and based on prices to date at least there appears to be a lot of unmet demand for housing near transit. Dense and affordable senior housing, for example, would create more turnover in close in suburban homes so younger families could move into those homes and enjoy shorter commutes. But the supply isn't adequate which means higher prices so seniors aren't going to ditch their paid off home for a condo of similar value that eliminates their liquidity and that then reduces the turnover keeping the prices on single family homes artificially high.

Montgomery County to its credit does have some good ideas for densification of the Rockville Pike near its Metro stations but Prince Georges still has not been successful at adding housing near Metro but all of this is undermined if the state pours billions into widening 270 and other roads and artificially subsidizes up-county living.

hey genius most people don't want to live in postage stamp condos on top of each other

get your collective a$$es out of your butts. Welcome to the real world not some urban seminar not based on reality.

and again what happens when someone changes jobs are they supposed to move every time

yall have no sense of actual reality

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is some hyperbole in this thread.

What I think would be a fair criticism of Dan is-

-he drastically favors East county to west. That means among other things he is anti transit except public transportation. The reality is a lot of us in Gaithersburg and beyond depend on cars. We all cant afford to just live in DTSS. Sure, changing the zoning would help (for FUTURE people), but some of us made the decision to sprawl by sheer neccessity.

-He generally refuses to even consider the opinions of people who do not agree with his far left views, across the board.

-Not every neighborhood wants tons of density. Those of us who chose to move farther out of city centers for more land, more space, etc- dont neccesarily want tons of density right in our backyard. Again- it's fine that he does, but he seems to never consider the viewpoints of those who dont agree with him in lockstep.

BTW- the idea from an above poster that Marc Elrich somehow isnt progressive *enough* is borderline scary. He has at times referred to himself a socialist for godsakes.

Great - than you alone should pay for widening 270 AND all the downstream roads that will also need to be widened to accommodate the greater volumes of traffic. I take (took) Metro into work and barely use my car and my down county neighborhood is overwhelmed by up county cars everyday making it less livable so you can at least pay for your stupid choice to live in the hell of G'burg.

This^^^^ times infinity.

We don't want to subsidize your housing and transportation choices.

Where are all the little people supposed to live to support you......

I swear urbanists are some of the most stuck up classists I know and they call themselves progressive

By "little people" you are probably referring to low income people, most of whom live in Eastern MoCo or PG and not up county in sprawling car oriented suburbs. Those of us who actually care about these people have been advocating for better transit (the Purple Line) and schools (more equitable re-districting which is something Dan is big on) so nice try but no subsidizing up county living does almost nothing for "little people" or low income people.

Lower Montgomery County really is not that dense and based on prices to date at least there appears to be a lot of unmet demand for housing near transit. Dense and affordable senior housing, for example, would create more turnover in close in suburban homes so younger families could move into those homes and enjoy shorter commutes. But the supply isn't adequate which means higher prices so seniors aren't going to ditch their paid off home for a condo of similar value that eliminates their liquidity and that then reduces the turnover keeping the prices on single family homes artificially high.

Montgomery County to its credit does have some good ideas for densification of the Rockville Pike near its Metro stations but Prince Georges still has not been successful at adding housing near Metro but all of this is undermined if the state pours billions into widening 270 and other roads and artificially subsidizes up-county living.

hey genius most people don't want to live in postage stamp condos on top of each other

get your collective a$$es out of your butts. Welcome to the real world not some urban seminar not based on reality.

and again what happens when someone changes jobs are they supposed to move every time

yall have no sense of actual reality

People move because they change jobs all the time, especially what the density opponents are apparently calling "little people" now. Having to move when you change jobs is very much part of reality for most people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is some hyperbole in this thread.

What I think would be a fair criticism of Dan is-

-he drastically favors East county to west. That means among other things he is anti transit except public transportation. The reality is a lot of us in Gaithersburg and beyond depend on cars. We all cant afford to just live in DTSS. Sure, changing the zoning would help (for FUTURE people), but some of us made the decision to sprawl by sheer neccessity.

-He generally refuses to even consider the opinions of people who do not agree with his far left views, across the board.

-Not every neighborhood wants tons of density. Those of us who chose to move farther out of city centers for more land, more space, etc- dont neccesarily want tons of density right in our backyard. Again- it's fine that he does, but he seems to never consider the viewpoints of those who dont agree with him in lockstep.

BTW- the idea from an above poster that Marc Elrich somehow isnt progressive *enough* is borderline scary. He has at times referred to himself a socialist for godsakes.

Great - than you alone should pay for widening 270 AND all the downstream roads that will also need to be widened to accommodate the greater volumes of traffic. I take (took) Metro into work and barely use my car and my down county neighborhood is overwhelmed by up county cars everyday making it less livable so you can at least pay for your stupid choice to live in the hell of G'burg.

This^^^^ times infinity.

We don't want to subsidize your housing and transportation choices.

Where are all the little people supposed to live to support you......

I swear urbanists are some of the most stuck up classists I know and they call themselves progressive

By "little people" you are probably referring to low income people, most of whom live in Eastern MoCo or PG and not up county in sprawling car oriented suburbs. Those of us who actually care about these people have been advocating for better transit (the Purple Line) and schools (more equitable re-districting which is something Dan is big on) so nice try but no subsidizing up county living does almost nothing for "little people" or low income people.

Lower Montgomery County really is not that dense and based on prices to date at least there appears to be a lot of unmet demand for housing near transit. Dense and affordable senior housing, for example, would create more turnover in close in suburban homes so younger families could move into those homes and enjoy shorter commutes. But the supply isn't adequate which means higher prices so seniors aren't going to ditch their paid off home for a condo of similar value that eliminates their liquidity and that then reduces the turnover keeping the prices on single family homes artificially high.

Montgomery County to its credit does have some good ideas for densification of the Rockville Pike near its Metro stations but Prince Georges still has not been successful at adding housing near Metro but all of this is undermined if the state pours billions into widening 270 and other roads and artificially subsidizes up-county living.

hey genius most people don't want to live in postage stamp condos on top of each other

get your collective a$$es out of your butts. Welcome to the real world not some urban seminar not based on reality.

and again what happens when someone changes jobs are they supposed to move every time

yall have no sense of actual reality

People move because they change jobs all the time, especially what the density opponents are apparently calling "little people" now. Having to move when you change jobs is very much part of reality for most people.

lol I bet you aren't married and don't have kids. People don't move for jobs all the time. I can tell yall are realtors too the only people that make out in this situation. Imagine moving everytime you switch jobs. That would be every 2-3 years for many folks insane.