Dan Reed of JustUpthePike fame

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MoCo.

The poster child for:

“GO WOKE, GO BROKE”

Keep dreaming, sweetie. MoCo is as prosperous as ever.

It's really not. And I say that as someone who likes the County. Some millionaires are leaving. Might be a function of the politics, or retiring, or both. A lot of very high income earners are leaving, and that seems to be retirement. And many new lower income immigrants are moving in. We will all see this more clearly when we get the census results. But the demographics are changing, and they do impact the tax base. That doesn't mean MoCo can't continue to be a great place to live, but people will have to understand tax revenues are not flush like they were in the 80s, 90s, and early 2000s. County leaders will have to get creative.

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Anonymous wrote:Gosh I’m glad I just left MoCo. (Cue the DCUM ‘glad you left’ post).

Glad you left, too.

A shame you couldn’t drag a few more trumpturds out with you when you left.

Not that poster, but the folks who are leaving are not uniformly conservative. Not by a long shot. Silver Spring/Takoma Park is a very insular little uber-liberal bubble. But most of the county is more moderate.

[Anonymous]

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Not that poster, but the folks who are leaving are not uniformly conservative. Not by a long shot. Silver Spring/Takoma Park is a very insular little uber-liberal bubble. But most of the county is more moderate.

"Silver Spring" is most of the east county. Not insular, not little, not "uber-liberal" (whatever that means), not a bubble. In fact, you might even say that Silver Spring IS most of the county.

[Anonymous]

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Hey, Dan! Or Dan's partner - I forget your name. Good of you to stop by.

You're thinking much more about them than they are about you.

[Anonymous]

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Not that poster, but the folks who are leaving are not uniformly conservative. Not by a long shot. Silver Spring/Takoma Park is a very insular little uber-liberal bubble. But most of the county is more moderate.

"Silver Spring" is most of the east county. Not insular, not little, not "uber-liberal" (whatever that means), not a bubble. In fact, you might even say that Silver Spring IS most of the county.

lol, no. But that shows just how self-centered Silver Spring residents are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The issue with Reed and his GGW ilk is that if you simply disagree with them, you're immediately painted as a bad person. I realize they do this to raise money from the sycophantic rubes in the GGW comments section, because they need a boogeyman to rail against. But it's not hard to see how their ideas often fail to gain much traction, considering some of their unseemly tactics.

Look at the sponsors of GGW - last I looked (pre-covid), they were all developers. If you disagree with Reed, he’ll label you as a NIMBY.

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Anonymous wrote:There is some hyperbole in this thread.

What I think would be a fair criticism of Dan is-

-he drastically favors East county to west. That means among other things he is anti transit except public transportation. The reality is a lot of us in Gaithersburg and beyond depend on cars. We all cant afford to just live in DTSS. Sure, changing the zoning would help (for FUTURE people), but some of us made the decision to sprawl by sheer neccessity.

-He generally refuses to even consider the opinions of people who do not agree with his far left views, across the board.

-Not every neighborhood wants tons of density. Those of us who chose to move farther out of city centers for more land, more space, etc- dont neccesarily want tons of density right in our backyard. Again- it's fine that he does, but he seems to never consider the viewpoints of those who dont agree with him in lockstep.

BTW- the idea from an above poster that Marc Elrich somehow isnt progressive *enough* is borderline scary. He has at times referred to himself a socialist for godsakes.

Great - than you alone should pay for widening 270 AND all the downstream roads that will also need to be widened to accommodate the greater volumes of traffic. I take (took) Metro into work and barely use my car and my down county neighborhood is overwhelmed by up county cars everyday making it less livable so you can at least pay for your stupid choice to live in the hell of G'burg.

This^^^^ times infinity.

We don't want to subsidize your housing and transportation choices.

Where are all the little people supposed to live to support you......

I swear urbanists are some of the most stuck up classists I know and they call themselves progressive

Exactly. They live in Cleveland Park but rule MoCo.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is some hyperbole in this thread.

What I think would be a fair criticism of Dan is-

-he drastically favors East county to west. That means among other things he is anti transit except public transportation. The reality is a lot of us in Gaithersburg and beyond depend on cars. We all cant afford to just live in DTSS. Sure, changing the zoning would help (for FUTURE people), but some of us made the decision to sprawl by sheer neccessity.

-He generally refuses to even consider the opinions of people who do not agree with his far left views, across the board.

-Not every neighborhood wants tons of density. Those of us who chose to move farther out of city centers for more land, more space, etc- dont neccesarily want tons of density right in our backyard. Again- it's fine that he does, but he seems to never consider the viewpoints of those who dont agree with him in lockstep.

BTW- the idea from an above poster that Marc Elrich somehow isnt progressive *enough* is borderline scary. He has at times referred to himself a socialist for godsakes.

Great - than you alone should pay for widening 270 AND all the downstream roads that will also need to be widened to accommodate the greater volumes of traffic. I take (took) Metro into work and barely use my car and my down county neighborhood is overwhelmed by up county cars everyday making it less livable so you can at least pay for your stupid choice to live in the hell of G'burg.

This^^^^ times infinity.

We don't want to subsidize your housing and transportation choices.

Where are all the little people supposed to live to support you......

I swear urbanists are some of the most stuck up classists I know and they call themselves progressive

By "little people" you are probably referring to low income people, most of whom live in Eastern MoCo or PG and not up county in sprawling car oriented suburbs. Those of us who actually care about these people have been advocating for better transit (the Purple Line) and schools (more equitable re-districting which is something Dan is big on) so nice try but no subsidizing up county living does almost nothing for "little people" or low income people.

Lower Montgomery County really is not that dense and based on prices to date at least there appears to be a lot of unmet demand for housing near transit. Dense and affordable senior housing, for example, would create more turnover in close in suburban homes so younger families could move into those homes and enjoy shorter commutes. But the supply isn't adequate which means higher prices so seniors aren't going to ditch their paid off home for a condo of similar value that eliminates their liquidity and that then reduces the turnover keeping the prices on single family homes artificially high.

Montgomery County to its credit does have some good ideas for densification of the Rockville Pike near its Metro stations but Prince Georges still has not been successful at adding housing near Metro but all of this is undermined if the state pours billions into widening 270 and other roads and artificially subsidizes up-county living.

Actually, most of the modest homes near Bethesda metro have been torn down and made into McMansions. Those older people still residing there are very open to redeveloping their properties - but they will need some incentives to make it happen. AARP is really behind this new housing movement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is some hyperbole in this thread.

What I think would be a fair criticism of Dan is-

-he drastically favors East county to west. That means among other things he is anti transit except public transportation. The reality is a lot of us in Gaithersburg and beyond depend on cars. We all cant afford to just live in DTSS. Sure, changing the zoning would help (for FUTURE people), but some of us made the decision to sprawl by sheer neccessity.

-He generally refuses to even consider the opinions of people who do not agree with his far left views, across the board.

-Not every neighborhood wants tons of density. Those of us who chose to move farther out of city centers for more land, more space, etc- dont neccesarily want tons of density right in our backyard. Again- it's fine that he does, but he seems to never consider the viewpoints of those who dont agree with him in lockstep.

BTW- the idea from an above poster that Marc Elrich somehow isnt progressive *enough* is borderline scary. He has at times referred to himself a socialist for godsakes.

Great - than you alone should pay for widening 270 AND all the downstream roads that will also need to be widened to accommodate the greater volumes of traffic. I take (took) Metro into work and barely use my car and my down county neighborhood is overwhelmed by up county cars everyday making it less livable so you can at least pay for your stupid choice to live in the hell of G'burg.

This^^^^ times infinity.

We don't want to subsidize your housing and transportation choices.

Where are all the little people supposed to live to support you......

I swear urbanists are some of the most stuck up classists I know and they call themselves progressive

By "little people" you are probably referring to low income people, most of whom live in Eastern MoCo or PG and not up county in sprawling car oriented suburbs. Those of us who actually care about these people have been advocating for better transit (the Purple Line) and schools (more equitable re-districting which is something Dan is big on) so nice try but no subsidizing up county living does almost nothing for "little people" or low income people.

Lower Montgomery County really is not that dense and based on prices to date at least there appears to be a lot of unmet demand for housing near transit. Dense and affordable senior housing, for example, would create more turnover in close in suburban homes so younger families could move into those homes and enjoy shorter commutes. But the supply isn't adequate which means higher prices so seniors aren't going to ditch their paid off home for a condo of similar value that eliminates their liquidity and that then reduces the turnover keeping the prices on single family homes artificially high.

Montgomery County to its credit does have some good ideas for densification of the Rockville Pike near its Metro stations but Prince Georges still has not been successful at adding housing near Metro but all of this is undermined if the state pours billions into widening 270 and other roads and artificially subsidizes up-county living.

There are many lower income people in Germantown, Gaithersburg, Rockville, and other parts of upcounty. The fact is, upper income people are leaving MoCo and MD - which is a big problem for the rest of us.

[Anonymous]

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There are many lower income people in Germantown, Gaithersburg, Rockville, and other parts of upcounty. The fact is, upper income people are leaving MoCo and MD - which is a big problem for the rest of us.

What data are you basing this "fact" on?

Also, who are "the rest of us"?

[Anonymous]

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Not that poster, but the folks who are leaving are not uniformly conservative. Not by a long shot. Silver Spring/Takoma Park is a very insular little uber-liberal bubble. But most of the county is more moderate.

"Silver Spring" is most of the east county. Not insular, not little, not "uber-liberal" (whatever that means), not a bubble. In fact, you might even say that Silver Spring IS most of the county.

lol, no. But that shows just how self-centered Silver Spring residents are.

OK, then please tell me what parts of the county you consider Silver Spring.

Oh, look, Dan Reed even wrote a piece about it, on the blog Greater Greater Washington.

https://ggwash.org/view/42839/silver-spring-doesnt-have-actual-boundaries-so-we-asked-residents-what-they-were

-a person who lives in the upcounty

[Anonymous]

Dan Reed is a narrow-minded man-splainer. Just see how he cuts off any women in any meeting he's at. Causes:
-affordable housing
-public transit
-tax breaks for developers

Agree with a PP who said anyone who disagrees with him he calls a NIMBY or a bigot or a racist.

You don't want a highrise in the middle of your suburban neighborhood? Racist/bigot who doesn't want to be around poor people.

You don't want you kid on a school bus for an hour to go to a school with an empty seat, you'd rather them stay in the same neighborhood, walk to school where their friends on their baseball team are, more of the same.

Want to drive your own car, because you need to get those kids to baseball practice and it's a 15 minute drive and there is no bus, you are evil and destroying the planet.

He is selfish, self centered and childless. Wants to infill every bit of greenery with affordable housing. However, all the tax breaks he supports for developers are county-wide, and see see what's being built in Bethesda - not affordable housing. But he only cares about himself and Silver Spring.

I just wish the policies he promotes only affected Silver Spring. Instead, he is contributing to the downfall of our county and our school system.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Not that poster, but the folks who are leaving are not uniformly conservative. Not by a long shot. Silver Spring/Takoma Park is a very insular little uber-liberal bubble. But most of the county is more moderate.

"Silver Spring" is most of the east county. Not insular, not little, not "uber-liberal" (whatever that means), not a bubble. In fact, you might even say that Silver Spring IS most of the county.

lol, no. But that shows just how self-centered Silver Spring residents are.

OK, then please tell me what parts of the county you consider Silver Spring.

Oh, look, Dan Reed even wrote a piece about it, on the blog Greater Greater Washington.

https://ggwash.org/view/42839/silver-spring-doesnt-have-actual-boundaries-so-we-asked-residents-what-they-were

-a person who lives in the upcounty

It's a Census Designated Place, and that's the easiest way to discuss population differences by unincorporated areas.


https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2018/11/13/2018-24571/census-designated-places-cdps-for-the-2020-census-final-criteria

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/germantowncdpmaryland,silverspringcdpmaryland/PST045219

Reed is an urban planner? He should have a clue was CDPs are. They are used all the time.

And if you are upcounty, you should know that Germantown is bigger and has more people. So no, Silver Spring is not "most of the county."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Not that poster, but the folks who are leaving are not uniformly conservative. Not by a long shot. Silver Spring/Takoma Park is a very insular little uber-liberal bubble. But most of the county is more moderate.

"Silver Spring" is most of the east county. Not insular, not little, not "uber-liberal" (whatever that means), not a bubble. In fact, you might even say that Silver Spring IS most of the county.

lol, no. But that shows just how self-centered Silver Spring residents are.

OK, then please tell me what parts of the county you consider Silver Spring.

Oh, look, Dan Reed even wrote a piece about it, on the blog Greater Greater Washington.

https://ggwash.org/view/42839/silver-spring-doesnt-have-actual-boundaries-so-we-asked-residents-what-they-were

-a person who lives in the upcounty

It's a Census Designated Place, and that's the easiest way to discuss population differences by unincorporated areas.


https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2018/11/13/2018-24571/census-designated-places-cdps-for-the-2020-census-final-criteria

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/germantowncdpmaryland,silverspringcdpmaryland/PST045219

Reed is an urban planner? He should have a clue was CDPs are. They are used all the time.

And if you are upcounty, you should know that Germantown is bigger and has more people. So no, Silver Spring is not "most of the county."

DP. Census designated places are one was to talk about unincorporated areas, but they're hardly the only way nor do they necessarily reflect what people mean when they refer to an unincorporated area. Exploring that makes a lot of sense for an urban planner.

[Anonymous]

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It's a Census Designated Place, and that's the easiest way to discuss population differences by unincorporated areas.

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2018/11/13/2018-24571/census-designated-places-cdps-for-the-2020-census-final-criteria

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/germantowncdpmaryland,silverspringcdpmaryland/PST045219

Reed is an urban planner? He should have a clue was CDPs are. They are used all the time.

And if you are upcounty, you should know that Germantown is bigger and has more people. So no, Silver Spring is not "most of the county."

Yes, it's a Census Designated Place. It's also a lot of zip codes (a USPS Designated Place). It's also a place where people live and work. There are lots of different ways to define a place. Urban planners generally know that. Do you?

Likewise, Germantown is also a CDP, a lot of zip codes, and a place where people live and work. If I gave you a map and told you, "Draw Germantown," what would you draw?

Neither of them is incorporated, neither has municipal boundaries.