This coming year’s NNAT/CogAT

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/performance-and-accountability/student-assessment/grade-level-tests

Relative dates are posted. Amazing the utter nonsense people post here assuming FCPS hasn't already pushed out the message themselves. Though I agree FCPS could just publish an email blast noting the AAP testing for 1st and 2nd graders and how it may/may not change. The lack of transparency causes all kinds of rumor mills and then parents stress out.

Look at this carefully! The NNAT is ONLY administered if NO previous scores. And there is NO mention of CoGats. Read the chart and requirements.

Read even more carefully. First graders will take the NNAT. If there's no NNAT on file, then second graders will take it too.

That’s what I just said! NNAT’s ONLY if they DON’T have previous scores (which are first graders...and second graders with no NNAT on file!) There are NO Cogats.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/performance-and-accountability/student-assessment/grade-level-tests

Relative dates are posted. Amazing the utter nonsense people post here assuming FCPS hasn't already pushed out the message themselves. Though I agree FCPS could just publish an email blast noting the AAP testing for 1st and 2nd graders and how it may/may not change. The lack of transparency causes all kinds of rumor mills and then parents stress out.

Look at this carefully! The NNAT is ONLY administered if NO previous scores. And there is NO mention of CoGats. Read the chart and requirements.

Read even more carefully. First graders will take the NNAT. If there's no NNAT on file, then second graders will take it too.

That’s what I just said! NNAT’s ONLY if they DON’T have previous scores (which are first graders...and second graders with no NNAT on file!) There are NO Cogats.

Yes, they aren't planning on CoGAT this October, which is when you'd really need to take it in order to get the results to come back in time for the assembly of applications for AAP at the base schools. This year's 2nd graders are either in for an easy entry into AAP or a totally haphazard screening decision. Good thing you can reapply in 3rd grade (if it the latter)!

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Anonymous wrote:I really don't understand why FCPS cannot make a determination of whether they will hold NNAT or CoGAT. It's just another total BS move on their part. It's not like the test makers won't make the test--they OF COURSE will. It's whether the school districts will administer the test, given current situation. But really, we're talking first and second graders and we are talking October and November timeframes. You can easily bring in the entire 1st grade population, space them out to 12' or more (whatever you want since the physical space of the entire school is at your disposal!), and get the teacher population who picked 'in person' (or didn't get their ADA approval) to come in to administer the test. It's actually NOT that difficult to plan and implement. But, like everything else in FCPS, the plan is simple--say "we're thinking about it" and then just don't communicate it, or do something completely asinine that frustrates and irritates parents.

+1 They can totally bring in 2nd graders into multiple classrooms and safely administer the test. Why they are choosing to administer only the NNAT and not the CogAT is beyond me. Really unreasonable. Bonkers level unreasonable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I really don't understand why FCPS cannot make a determination of whether they will hold NNAT or CoGAT. It's just another total BS move on their part. It's not like the test makers won't make the test--they OF COURSE will. It's whether the school districts will administer the test, given current situation. But really, we're talking first and second graders and we are talking October and November timeframes. You can easily bring in the entire 1st grade population, space them out to 12' or more (whatever you want since the physical space of the entire school is at your disposal!), and get the teacher population who picked 'in person' (or didn't get their ADA approval) to come in to administer the test. It's actually NOT that difficult to plan and implement. But, like everything else in FCPS, the plan is simple--say "we're thinking about it" and then just don't communicate it, or do something completely asinine that frustrates and irritates parents.

+1 They can totally bring in 2nd graders into multiple classrooms and safely administer the test. Why they are choosing to administer only the NNAT and not the CogAT is beyond me. Really unreasonable. Bonkers level unreasonable.

The NNAT for first graders is scheduled for the spring. There's a big difference between October and April.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I really don't understand why FCPS cannot make a determination of whether they will hold NNAT or CoGAT. It's just another total BS move on their part. It's not like the test makers won't make the test--they OF COURSE will. It's whether the school districts will administer the test, given current situation. But really, we're talking first and second graders and we are talking October and November timeframes. You can easily bring in the entire 1st grade population, space them out to 12' or more (whatever you want since the physical space of the entire school is at your disposal!), and get the teacher population who picked 'in person' (or didn't get their ADA approval) to come in to administer the test. It's actually NOT that difficult to plan and implement. But, like everything else in FCPS, the plan is simple--say "we're thinking about it" and then just don't communicate it, or do something completely asinine that frustrates and irritates parents.

+1 They can totally bring in 2nd graders into multiple classrooms and safely administer the test. Why they are choosing to administer only the NNAT and not the CogAT is beyond me. Really unreasonable. Bonkers level unreasonable.

You have to understand that they only have to let few 2nd grade kids in for NNAT. (clearly said in the link - ONLY for students without a prior ability score) For CogAT, it's a different story. If they administer it, they have to handle a very much bigger number of kids in the buildings. So, think twice before complaining!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I really don't understand why FCPS cannot make a determination of whether they will hold NNAT or CoGAT. It's just another total BS move on their part. It's not like the test makers won't make the test--they OF COURSE will. It's whether the school districts will administer the test, given current situation. But really, we're talking first and second graders and we are talking October and November timeframes. You can easily bring in the entire 1st grade population, space them out to 12' or more (whatever you want since the physical space of the entire school is at your disposal!), and get the teacher population who picked 'in person' (or didn't get their ADA approval) to come in to administer the test. It's actually NOT that difficult to plan and implement. But, like everything else in FCPS, the plan is simple--say "we're thinking about it" and then just don't communicate it, or do something completely asinine that frustrates and irritates parents.

+1 They can totally bring in 2nd graders into multiple classrooms and safely administer the test. Why they are choosing to administer only the NNAT and not the CogAT is beyond me. Really unreasonable. Bonkers level unreasonable.

You have to understand that they only have to let few 2nd grade kids in for NNAT. (clearly said in the link - ONLY for students without a prior ability score) For CogAT, it's a different story. If they administer it, they have to handle a very much bigger number of kids in the buildings. So, think twice before complaining!

Umm. What about all the first graders in the county? I think they should skip the NNAT for first graders this year (I have one) and only do the second graders for CoGat. Next year they can just do CoGat for my child’s grade. It’s the more relevant test.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really don't understand why FCPS cannot make a determination of whether they will hold NNAT or CoGAT. It's just another total BS move on their part. It's not like the test makers won't make the test--they OF COURSE will. It's whether the school districts will administer the test, given current situation. But really, we're talking first and second graders and we are talking October and November timeframes. You can easily bring in the entire 1st grade population, space them out to 12' or more (whatever you want since the physical space of the entire school is at your disposal!), and get the teacher population who picked 'in person' (or didn't get their ADA approval) to come in to administer the test. It's actually NOT that difficult to plan and implement. But, like everything else in FCPS, the plan is simple--say "we're thinking about it" and then just don't communicate it, or do something completely asinine that frustrates and irritates parents.

+1 They can totally bring in 2nd graders into multiple classrooms and safely administer the test. Why they are choosing to administer only the NNAT and not the CogAT is beyond me. Really unreasonable. Bonkers level unreasonable.

You have to understand that they only have to let few 2nd grade kids in for NNAT. (clearly said in the link - ONLY for students without a prior ability score) For CogAT, it's a different story. If they administer it, they have to handle a very much bigger number of kids in the buildings. So, think twice before complaining!

Umm. What about all the first graders in the county? I think they should skip the NNAT for first graders this year (I have one) and only do the second graders for CoGat. Next year they can just do CoGat for my child’s grade. It’s the more relevant test.

FCPS website already had all information about that! 1st graders will have NNAT in April 5 - April 14, 2021. That time frame makes sense in term of planning & coronavirus situation.
https://www.fcps.edu/node/34188

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I want to know now if school will administer a CogAT. If not, I want to book at GMU for a CogAT ASAP.

The schools are not issuing Cogats this year. It’s on the website. Also on the website, it says you can get paid testing but it’s not recommended. The FCAG president even told me she doesn’t recommend it as it won’t be weighed much since it’s not fair and equal to all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really don't understand why FCPS cannot make a determination of whether they will hold NNAT or CoGAT. It's just another total BS move on their part. It's not like the test makers won't make the test--they OF COURSE will. It's whether the school districts will administer the test, given current situation. But really, we're talking first and second graders and we are talking October and November timeframes. You can easily bring in the entire 1st grade population, space them out to 12' or more (whatever you want since the physical space of the entire school is at your disposal!), and get the teacher population who picked 'in person' (or didn't get their ADA approval) to come in to administer the test. It's actually NOT that difficult to plan and implement. But, like everything else in FCPS, the plan is simple--say "we're thinking about it" and then just don't communicate it, or do something completely asinine that frustrates and irritates parents.

+1 They can totally bring in 2nd graders into multiple classrooms and safely administer the test. Why they are choosing to administer only the NNAT and not the CogAT is beyond me. Really unreasonable. Bonkers level unreasonable.

You have to understand that they only have to let few 2nd grade kids in for NNAT. (clearly said in the link - ONLY for students without a prior ability score) For CogAT, it's a different story. If they administer it, they have to handle a very much bigger number of kids in the buildings. So, think twice before complaining!

Agree! The school needs the second graders' CogAT scores for the AAP selection next spring. First graders have next year to take both. I'm not against first graders taking their NNATs this year (last year ot was taken in November). I don't understand why an October test gets totally canceled while a test usually taken in November does not get canceled, especially when the schools are not going to do much with it (as in, separate out kids into AAP level 4 or not).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really don't understand why FCPS cannot make a determination of whether they will hold NNAT or CoGAT. It's just another total BS move on their part. It's not like the test makers won't make the test--they OF COURSE will. It's whether the school districts will administer the test, given current situation. But really, we're talking first and second graders and we are talking October and November timeframes. You can easily bring in the entire 1st grade population, space them out to 12' or more (whatever you want since the physical space of the entire school is at your disposal!), and get the teacher population who picked 'in person' (or didn't get their ADA approval) to come in to administer the test. It's actually NOT that difficult to plan and implement. But, like everything else in FCPS, the plan is simple--say "we're thinking about it" and then just don't communicate it, or do something completely asinine that frustrates and irritates parents.

+1 They can totally bring in 2nd graders into multiple classrooms and safely administer the test. Why they are choosing to administer only the NNAT and not the CogAT is beyond me. Really unreasonable. Bonkers level unreasonable.

The NNAT for first graders is scheduled for the spring. There's a big difference between October and April.

How can this be taken in April? In 2019, kids took it in November, just a few months after starting first grade.

So the school can't get the CogAT tested any time in October, November or early December (to allow time for results)? There are only 80 kids in second grade at my ES. The schools are empty now. Why can't they bring in the kids, separate them into 10+ classrooms to do this? The school has staff that are not doing much distance teaching and can monitor this test.


"Fairfax County Public Schools (FCPS) has designated GMU as a provider of cognitive group testing outside the schools"

-> You know a bunch of overzealous parents are going to flock to get privately tested for CogAT. Guess what, you have to go to GMU and pay $$. So GMU is thrilled at getting all this extra revenue. I wonder if any decision makers were influenced by some powerful people at GMU?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really don't understand why FCPS cannot make a determination of whether they will hold NNAT or CoGAT. It's just another total BS move on their part. It's not like the test makers won't make the test--they OF COURSE will. It's whether the school districts will administer the test, given current situation. But really, we're talking first and second graders and we are talking October and November timeframes. You can easily bring in the entire 1st grade population, space them out to 12' or more (whatever you want since the physical space of the entire school is at your disposal!), and get the teacher population who picked 'in person' (or didn't get their ADA approval) to come in to administer the test. It's actually NOT that difficult to plan and implement. But, like everything else in FCPS, the plan is simple--say "we're thinking about it" and then just don't communicate it, or do something completely asinine that frustrates and irritates parents.

+1 They can totally bring in 2nd graders into multiple classrooms and safely administer the test. Why they are choosing to administer only the NNAT and not the CogAT is beyond me. Really unreasonable. Bonkers level unreasonable.

The NNAT for first graders is scheduled for the spring. There's a big difference between October and April.

How can this be taken in April? In 2019, kids took it in November, just a few months after starting first grade.

So the school can't get the CogAT tested any time in October, November or early December (to allow time for results)? There are only 80 kids in second grade at my ES. The schools are empty now. Why can't they bring in the kids, separate them into 10+ classrooms to do this? The school has staff that are not doing much distance teaching and can monitor this test.


"Fairfax County Public Schools (FCPS) has designated GMU as a provider of cognitive group testing outside the schools"

-> You know a bunch of overzealous parents are going to flock to get privately tested for CogAT. Guess what, you have to go to GMU and pay $$. So GMU is thrilled at getting all this extra revenue. I wonder if any decision makers were influenced by some powerful people at GMU?

The NNAT is usually taken in the spring. They moved it forward to try to get ahead of the preppers. I don't know if it worked or not.