Why is Maryland "Trending Poorly" on covidexit?

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Anonymous wrote:Maryland’s metrics are worse than VA today on covidexit

And worse than most other countries. Maryland had 925 new cases yesterday. For perspective, the entire country of Italy only had 198 new cases yesterday.

And yet we're still encouraging tourists to come visit MD?!

Maryland's population 6 million. Italy 60 million!

Maryland 154 new cases per million per day
Italy: 3 new cases per million per day




3 new cases per million per day!! Don't tell me it can't be done.

Yup, just let it burn through your population uncontrolled and voila! a few months later, you are golden. See also, NYC.

Gotta admit that I have been wondering about this possibility, too.

Stay at home orders and business closings are not letting it burn through your population uncontrolled.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maryland’s metrics are worse than VA today on covidexit

And worse than most other countries. Maryland had 925 new cases yesterday. For perspective, the entire country of Italy only had 198 new cases yesterday.

And yet we're still encouraging tourists to come visit MD?!

Maryland's population 6 million. Italy 60 million!

Maryland 154 new cases per million per day
Italy: 3 new cases per million per day




3 new cases per million per day!! Don't tell me it can't be done.

Yup, just let it burn through your population uncontrolled and voila! a few months later, you are golden. See also, NYC.

Gotta admit that I have been wondering about this possibility, too.

Stay at home orders and business closings are not letting it burn through your population uncontrolled.

Yes but in both NYC and Italy, the orders were issued long after there was already significant community spread.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maryland’s metrics are worse than VA today on covidexit

And worse than most other countries. Maryland had 925 new cases yesterday. For perspective, the entire country of Italy only had 198 new cases yesterday.

And yet we're still encouraging tourists to come visit MD?!

Maryland's population 6 million. Italy 60 million!

Maryland 154 new cases per million per day
Italy: 3 new cases per million per day




3 new cases per million per day!! Don't tell me it can't be done.

Yup, just let it burn through your population uncontrolled and voila! a few months later, you are golden. See also, NYC.

Gotta admit that I have been wondering about this possibility, too.

Stay at home orders and business closings are not letting it burn through your population uncontrolled.

If you look at the infection curves in Italy and New York vs when the lockdown was done, it’s pretty clear the virus was rampant already when the lockdowns were ordered. Some scientists even question whether those lockdowns did anything to control the virus because so many people were infected prior to the lockdowns that it had “peaked” on its own. This is why those places have low numbers today.

And I know everyone hates Sweden, but, they also looked to have peaked and currently have rapidly decreasing cases and deaths.

But, for everywhere else, the infections are being drawn out by lockdowns and social distancing. I’m not saying which way is correct, just that this is what is happening.

It will be interesting to see what happens in FL/TX/AZ in the next month or so to see if the current uncontrolled spread results in a peak and then a rapid decrease because the virus burned out in those places too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maryland’s metrics are worse than VA today on covidexit

And worse than most other countries. Maryland had 925 new cases yesterday. For perspective, the entire country of Italy only had 198 new cases yesterday.

And yet we're still encouraging tourists to come visit MD?!

Maryland's population 6 million. Italy 60 million!

Maryland 154 new cases per million per day
Italy: 3 new cases per million per day




3 new cases per million per day!! Don't tell me it can't be done.

COVID swept Italy, remember? Most people got it early on, remember? They have quasi herd immunity.

Maryland implemented restrictions to flatten the curve.

Not apples to apples, pp.

I want things to go back to normal as much as the next person but I don't understand this constant need to rationalize the numbers to make things seem better than they are here. Maybe Maryland isn't as bad as Florida/Arizona/Texas right now but Maryland still has more new daily cases than most countries.

Maryland's new cases: 925 (7 day average 713)

New daily cases in
UK: 741
France: 560
Germany: 409
Canada: 393

We need to stop pretending that this isn't bad. It is bad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maryland’s metrics are worse than VA today on covidexit

And worse than most other countries. Maryland had 925 new cases yesterday. For perspective, the entire country of Italy only had 198 new cases yesterday.

And yet we're still encouraging tourists to come visit MD?!

Maryland's population 6 million. Italy 60 million!

Maryland 154 new cases per million per day
Italy: 3 new cases per million per day




3 new cases per million per day!! Don't tell me it can't be done.

COVID swept Italy, remember? Most people got it early on, remember? They have quasi herd immunity.

Maryland implemented restrictions to flatten the curve.

Not apples to apples, pp.

I want things to go back to normal as much as the next person but I don't understand this constant need to rationalize the numbers to make things seem better than they are here. Maybe Maryland isn't as bad as Florida/Arizona/Texas right now but Maryland still has more new daily cases than most countries.

Maryland's new cases: 925 (7 day average 713)

New daily cases in
UK: 741
France: 560
Germany: 409
Canada: 393

We need to stop pretending that this isn't bad. It is bad.

Comparing md's numbers to other countries doesnt prove your point at all. "Bad" has to mean more than worse. If UK numbers are good and MD's are a little worse then they're not bad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maryland’s metrics are worse than VA today on covidexit

And worse than most other countries. Maryland had 925 new cases yesterday. For perspective, the entire country of Italy only had 198 new cases yesterday.

And yet we're still encouraging tourists to come visit MD?!

Maryland's population 6 million. Italy 60 million!

Maryland 154 new cases per million per day
Italy: 3 new cases per million per day




3 new cases per million per day!! Don't tell me it can't be done.

COVID swept Italy, remember? Most people got it early on, remember? They have quasi herd immunity.

Maryland implemented restrictions to flatten the curve.

Not apples to apples, pp.

I want things to go back to normal as much as the next person but I don't understand this constant need to rationalize the numbers to make things seem better than they are here. Maybe Maryland isn't as bad as Florida/Arizona/Texas right now but Maryland still has more new daily cases than most countries.

Maryland's new cases: 925 (7 day average 713)

New daily cases in
UK: 741
France: 560
Germany: 409
Canada: 393

We need to stop pretending that this isn't bad. It is bad.

Comparing md's numbers to other countries doesnt prove your point at all. "Bad" has to mean more than worse. If UK numbers are good and MD's are a little worse then they're not bad.

When normalized for propulsion size the UK also has 50% more covid death than Maryland...so, are they really the “good?”

[Anonymous]

FYI on Monday’s numbers, the increases are higher outside of Moco. Bethesda Beat wrote on this trend Which has occurred for last 11 days. Hospitalizations, ICU and deaths continue to be low for Moco

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/coronavirus/state-has-had-greater-daily-case-increase-than-montgomery-last-11-days/?utm_source=Bethesda+Magazine+Master+List&utm_campaign=f4916c81ae-Beat-07.20.20&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1bbe9df5d9-f4916c81ae-105160797&mc_cid=f4916c81ae&mc_eid=76103bcd76

Rough analysis On today’s state numbers, Problems continue in other counties - particular Baltimore County, but also Baltimore city (taking into account population and % case increase). Positivity rates in several counties increase

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maryland’s metrics are worse than VA today on covidexit

And worse than most other countries. Maryland had 925 new cases yesterday. For perspective, the entire country of Italy only had 198 new cases yesterday.

And yet we're still encouraging tourists to come visit MD?!

Maryland's population 6 million. Italy 60 million!

Maryland 154 new cases per million per day
Italy: 3 new cases per million per day




3 new cases per million per day!! Don't tell me it can't be done.

Yup, just let it burn through your population uncontrolled and voila! a few months later, you are golden. See also, NYC.

Gotta admit that I have been wondering about this possibility, too.

Stay at home orders and business closings are not letting it burn through your population uncontrolled.

If you look at the infection curves in Italy and New York vs when the lockdown was done, it’s pretty clear the virus was rampant already when the lockdowns were ordered. Some scientists even question whether those lockdowns did anything to control the virus because so many people were infected prior to the lockdowns that it had “peaked” on its own. This is why those places have low numbers today.

And I know everyone hates Sweden, but, they also looked to have peaked and currently have rapidly decreasing cases and deaths.

But, for everywhere else, the infections are being drawn out by lockdowns and social distancing. I’m not saying which way is correct, just that this is what is happening.

It will be interesting to see what happens in FL/TX/AZ in the next month or so to see if the current uncontrolled spread results in a peak and then a rapid decrease because the virus burned out in those places too.

Agree with all this. AZ may have peaked already.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maryland’s metrics are worse than VA today on covidexit

And worse than most other countries. Maryland had 925 new cases yesterday. For perspective, the entire country of Italy only had 198 new cases yesterday.

And yet we're still encouraging tourists to come visit MD?!

Maryland's population 6 million. Italy 60 million!

Maryland 154 new cases per million per day
Italy: 3 new cases per million per day




3 new cases per million per day!! Don't tell me it can't be done.

Yup, just let it burn through your population uncontrolled and voila! a few months later, you are golden. See also, NYC.

Gotta admit that I have been wondering about this possibility, too.

Stay at home orders and business closings are not letting it burn through your population uncontrolled.

If you look at the infection curves in Italy and New York vs when the lockdown was done, it’s pretty clear the virus was rampant already when the lockdowns were ordered. Some scientists even question whether those lockdowns did anything to control the virus because so many people were infected prior to the lockdowns that it had “peaked” on its own. This is why those places have low numbers today.

And I know everyone hates Sweden, but, they also looked to have peaked and currently have rapidly decreasing cases and deaths.

But, for everywhere else, the infections are being drawn out by lockdowns and social distancing. I’m not saying which way is correct, just that this is what is happening.

It will be interesting to see what happens in FL/TX/AZ in the next month or so to see if the current uncontrolled spread results in a peak and then a rapid decrease because the virus burned out in those places too.

Agree with all this. AZ may have peaked already.

So have parts of texas. Burn it out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know there are people here who don't think much of Covid Exit Strategy, but it is followed by many people online whom I respect.

https://www.covidexitstrategy.org/

Maryland has consistently been in the red (even after they revised the criteria) for about the past week. Not even yellow.

A key criterion is new cases per million per day. We were at around 50 but today are at 90. When we get to 100, that's enough to put us on some state's quarantine lists!!

I am really concerned. Are we going to have to go back to Phase 1?

Indoor Dining and bars = Mask off, chew, talk, laugh.... expel droplets... Indoor A/C on full blast = super spread event

Close Indoor Dining and Bars now and have a national mask law

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maryland’s metrics are worse than VA today on covidexit

And worse than most other countries. Maryland had 925 new cases yesterday. For perspective, the entire country of Italy only had 198 new cases yesterday.

And yet we're still encouraging tourists to come visit MD?!

Maryland's population 6 million. Italy 60 million!

Maryland 154 new cases per million per day
Italy: 3 new cases per million per day




3 new cases per million per day!! Don't tell me it can't be done.

Yup, just let it burn through your population uncontrolled and voila! a few months later, you are golden. See also, NYC.

Gotta admit that I have been wondering about this possibility, too.

Stay at home orders and business closings are not letting it burn through your population uncontrolled.

Yes but in both NYC and Italy, the orders were issued long after there was already significant community spread.

That was the case in Maryland as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FYI on Monday’s numbers, the increases are higher outside of Moco. Bethesda Beat wrote on this trend Which has occurred for last 11 days. Hospitalizations, ICU and deaths continue to be low for Moco

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/coronavirus/state-has-had-greater-daily-case-increase-than-montgomery-last-11-days/?utm_source=Bethesda+Magazine+Master+List&utm_campaign=f4916c81ae-Beat-07.20.20&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1bbe9df5d9-f4916c81ae-105160797&mc_cid=f4916c81ae&mc_eid=76103bcd76

Rough analysis On today’s state numbers, Problems continue in other counties - particular Baltimore County, but also Baltimore city (taking into account population and % case increase). Positivity rates in several counties increase

To the people who want to " burn it out "

You do realize that Miami Dade is out of ICU beds and that AZ is shipping people out of state for care

If you people want to know what the " burn it out" philosophy leads to, don't look to Sweden where 40% of people are loners ( live alone, have few social contacts )but average Swede is fit with no heart disease, obesity or history of smoking. There is no comparison between a Swede and the average American

Look to Ecuador and Chile. One is wealthy, the other poor, but both have more housing density in keeping with USA and not Sweden:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/23/world/americas/ecuador-deaths-coronavirus.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FYI on Monday’s numbers, the increases are higher outside of Moco. Bethesda Beat wrote on this trend Which has occurred for last 11 days. Hospitalizations, ICU and deaths continue to be low for Moco

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/coronavirus/state-has-had-greater-daily-case-increase-than-montgomery-last-11-days/?utm_source=Bethesda+Magazine+Master+List&utm_campaign=f4916c81ae-Beat-07.20.20&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1bbe9df5d9-f4916c81ae-105160797&mc_cid=f4916c81ae&mc_eid=76103bcd76

Rough analysis On today’s state numbers, Problems continue in other counties - particular Baltimore County, but also Baltimore city (taking into account population and % case increase). Positivity rates in several counties increase

To the people who want to " burn it out "

You do realize that Miami Dade is out of ICU beds and that AZ is shipping people out of state for care

If you people want to know what the " burn it out" philosophy leads to, don't look to Sweden where 40% of people are loners ( live alone, have few social contacts )but average Swede is fit with no heart disease, obesity or history of smoking. There is no comparison between a Swede and the average American

Look to Ecuador and Chile. One is wealthy, the other poor, but both have more housing density in keeping with USA and not Sweden:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/23/world/americas/ecuador-deaths-coronavirus.html

That's Trump's strategy. Stupid idea at best.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maryland’s metrics are worse than VA today on covidexit

And worse than most other countries. Maryland had 925 new cases yesterday. For perspective, the entire country of Italy only had 198 new cases yesterday.

And yet we're still encouraging tourists to come visit MD?!

Maryland's population 6 million. Italy 60 million!

Maryland 154 new cases per million per day
Italy: 3 new cases per million per day




3 new cases per million per day!! Don't tell me it can't be done.

COVID swept Italy, remember? Most people got it early on, remember? They have quasi herd immunity.

Maryland implemented restrictions to flatten the curve.

Not apples to apples, pp.

I want things to go back to normal as much as the next person but I don't understand this constant need to rationalize the numbers to make things seem better than they are here. Maybe Maryland isn't as bad as Florida/Arizona/Texas right now but Maryland still has more new daily cases than most countries.

Maryland's new cases: 925 (7 day average 713)

New daily cases in
UK: 741
France: 560
Germany: 409
Canada: 393

We need to stop pretending that this isn't bad. It is bad.

Comparing md's numbers to other countries doesnt prove your point at all. "Bad" has to mean more than worse. If UK numbers are good and MD's are a little worse then they're not bad.

When normalized for propulsion size the UK also has 50% more covid death than Maryland...so, are they really the “good?”

Not necessarily, my point is just you can't just compare countries to say one is bad or good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FYI on Monday’s numbers, the increases are higher outside of Moco. Bethesda Beat wrote on this trend Which has occurred for last 11 days. Hospitalizations, ICU and deaths continue to be low for Moco

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/coronavirus/state-has-had-greater-daily-case-increase-than-montgomery-last-11-days/?utm_source=Bethesda+Magazine+Master+List&utm_campaign=f4916c81ae-Beat-07.20.20&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1bbe9df5d9-f4916c81ae-105160797&mc_cid=f4916c81ae&mc_eid=76103bcd76

Rough analysis On today’s state numbers, Problems continue in other counties - particular Baltimore County, but also Baltimore city (taking into account population and % case increase). Positivity rates in several counties increase

To the people who want to " burn it out "

You do realize that Miami Dade is out of ICU beds and that AZ is shipping people out of state for care

If you people want to know what the " burn it out" philosophy leads to, don't look to Sweden where 40% of people are loners ( live alone, have few social contacts )but average Swede is fit with no heart disease, obesity or history of smoking. There is no comparison between a Swede and the average American

Look to Ecuador and Chile. One is wealthy, the other poor, but both have more housing density in keeping with USA and not Sweden:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/23/world/americas/ecuador-deaths-coronavirus.html

I posted about the burn out. As I said above, I’m not saying it’s the right way to go...just that it has happened. Certainly we can’t let hospitals be overwhelmed to the point that people who could be saved die without treatment. But, I don’t think we can lockdown our way out of this either, it’s going to happen. I personally would like to be done sooner rather than later.