What the Fall may look like -- the hybrid model

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Anonymous wrote:The social development piece that is missing cannot be recaptured in a hybrid, socially distant environment for the vast majority of kids. It just can’t happen. On so many levels it just wishful thinking. If kids go back to their school in a completely new way, expecting to invest a ton of energy in just learning and adjusting to this new normal it will not move the needle and it took a lot for everyone to adjust to DL and I think hybrid might just really make it so much for palpable as to what they have lost. I think it could make the kids really sad and demoralized. We may wish going to school hybrids will make things better but it might make things worse, emotionally and socially and be a distraction from for kids and potoential efforts to refine DL

If hybrid doesn’t work for your kid, he/she can almost assuredly do everything online. The hybrid provides optionality. My kid would do better with the hybrid, that I know for certain. You’ll have choices.

In Israel, the hybrid model was flat-out rejected as unsatisfactory for student learning and for parents.

What did they do instead?

They opened 5 days a week for those willing to come, as they have also done in a number of countries. The USA is bombing this.

+1000. However the extremist mentality that a couple people have here where they think the global society should stay isolate forever for each and every health issue until there is a cure or vaccine is not prevalent outside of the DMV.

I would be all for Israel's model if we had reacted and contained the virus the way they did, if our citizens were following instructions they way theirs are, if we were as small and controllable as they are, and if our government had done what theirs did from the get go and was preparing for winter the way they are. Right now, talking about Isreal v. U.S. is like comparing grad school to preK.

I don't fully understand this, as we are not talking about the fall not now, and we are talking about DC, which has been locked down for the same amount of time as Israel was. We have more time to distance as we are not even considering anything until September.

I dont know what exactly Israel did, but many European countries had lockdowns way more severe than what was done here. If nobody told me there was a lockdown in place I would never guess as the streets remain crowded, people are not wearing masks and renovations are buzzing along. The measures implemented elsewhere were way more severe. Looking at Israel's data it seems they have no more community spread going on and they probably test or quarantine everyone that arrives from abroad. And yes, if you are at that point you can consider opening schools full time. This country and this area is nowhere close to that.[/

Ok but acknowledge that the data is not cut and draw and the experts can’t predict outcomes perfectly. Look at mortality data. US is way below France and they have opened schools. Sweden is in the middle and never locked down.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/us-map

You are looking at a snapshot of data and seeing what you want to see. You are completely ignoring epidemiology and time.

Israel did a complete lockdown with zero flights in or out of the country long before our partial varying states shelter in place orders- March 9th to be exact. We've also never completely blocked international arrivals. They also rounded up all Asian tourists when they very hastily implemented the lockdown and stuck them into quarantine, then made them leave the country. They used cell phone date starting mid March to track Covid cases. They didn't allow you to go beyond a certain distance past your home and that was for groceries and medical only. They imposed a curfew on the ultra-Orthodox community that were late to adopting the new rules.

All this, plus nevermind they are basically a little country that could almost be considered an island.

But yes, let's keep comparing why other countries are opening schools and America isn't. This is such a fun game.

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Israel did a complete lockdown with zero flights in or out of the country long before our partial varying states shelter in place orders- March 9th to be exact. We've also never completely blocked international arrivals. They also rounded up all Asian tourists when they very hastily implemented the lockdown and stuck them into quarantine, then made them leave the country. They used cell phone date starting mid March to track Covid cases. They didn't allow you to go beyond a certain distance past your home and that was for groceries and medical only. They imposed a curfew on the ultra-Orthodox community that were late to adopting the new rules.

All this, plus nevermind they are basically a little country that could almost be considered an island.

But yes, let's keep comparing why other countries are opening schools and America isn't. This is such a fun game.

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If DC area admin, teachers, or over politicized parent base wants to be Prima Donna of the World on this we will absolutely be calling up the school to defer for a year, and send our kids to live with out of state relatives and attend an in person school.

So your solution is to send your kids away for months and months? Seriously? You need to rethink your priorities.

Also, most private schools will not let students "defer" for a year. If they leave the school, they will have to reapply as the school will surely replace them with a student on their wait list. Of course, there's also the related cost of backing out of your contract.

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This city is such an echo chamber bubble I almost cannot believe it. I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't get out enough or have ties with others, to realize what this place is.

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If DC area admin, teachers, or over politicized parent base wants to be Prima Donna of the World on this we will absolutely be calling up the school to defer for a year, and send our kids to live with out of state relatives and attend an in person school.

So your solution is to send your kids away for months and months? Seriously? You need to rethink your priorities.

Also, most private schools will not let students "defer" for a year. If they leave the school, they will have to reapply as the school will surely replace them with a student on their wait list. Of course, there's also the related cost of backing out of your contract.

Colleges are. They know their value proposition is a fraction of what it should be when doing virtual classes.

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Anonymous wrote:This city is such an echo chamber bubble I almost cannot believe it. I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't get out enough or have ties with others, to realize what this place is.

+1000

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Anonymous wrote:This city is such an echo chamber bubble I almost cannot believe it. I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't get out enough or have ties with others, to realize what this place is.

+1000

USA Today poll (hardly a dc bubble) revealed today that 59%of parents will not send their kids to school in the fall because of fears of illness. Another 30% will consider full distance learning.

I know everyone wants to get back. I know this is taking a toll. But no matter the hardship, most parents will sacrifice to keep their kids safe. I pray things improve or treatment comes, but until then, parents will put safety first. No one I know wants to take a flyer on this inflammatory syndrome. Hopefully we’ll get a better handle on that by September, but the USA Today Numbers reflect the fear parents have now.

That isn’t a bubble thing, just because it conflicts with your view.

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Trying to bring this back to the original topic.

Inside Higher Ed did an imaginary "day in the life" of the new school environment.

https://www.insidehighered.com/digital-learning/views/2020/05/27/envisioning-day-life-physically-distanced-classroom-opinion

"You try to listen to your instructor give directions for the day. It’s a little challenging, since the mask muffles her voice. Then it comes time to work with your partner at the table. Sitting six feet apart and wearing a mask means you have to raise your voice to be heard -- but so does everyone else in the room. After doing this for two earlier classes, your throat is pretty sore. This doesn’t help your anxiety, since you can’t help wondering if this might be a COVID symptom.

Your partner tries to show you something on their computer, but you can’t see it from six feet away. Plus, the Plexiglas shield down the middle of the table distorts your vision (you wonder when it was last wiped down). So instead you work together on a shared Google Doc.

You notice another pair of students has had the brilliant idea to bring in headsets, and they're collaborating via a Zoom meeting while in class. It makes you wonder why you aren’t all just doing this from your dorm rooms. Then you notice that their brilliant idea doesn’t work, because the two mics in the same room are creating feedback. They take the headsets off in frustration and go back to muffled shouting."

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Anonymous wrote:This city is such an echo chamber bubble I almost cannot believe it. I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't get out enough or have ties with others, to realize what this place is.

+1000

USA Today poll (hardly a dc bubble) revealed today that 59%of parents will not send their kids to school in the fall because of fears of illness. Another 30% will consider full distance learning.

I know everyone wants to get back. I know this is taking a toll. But no matter the hardship, most parents will sacrifice to keep their kids safe. I pray things improve or treatment comes, but until then, parents will put safety first. No one I know wants to take a flyer on this inflammatory syndrome. Hopefully we’ll get a better handle on that by September, but the USA Today Numbers reflect the fear parents have now.

That isn’t a bubble thing, just because it conflicts with your view.

Not quite the wording of the poll. [i]A separate poll of parents with at least one child in grades K-12 finds that 6in 10 say they would be likely to pursue at-home learning options instead of sending back their children this fall. Nearly a third of parents, 30%, say they are "very likely" to do that.

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Anonymous wrote:This city is such an echo chamber bubble I almost cannot believe it. I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't get out enough or have ties with others, to realize what this place is.

+1000

USA Today poll (hardly a dc bubble) revealed today that 59%of parents will not send their kids to school in the fall because of fears of illness. Another 30% will consider full distance learning.

I know everyone wants to get back. I know this is taking a toll. But no matter the hardship, most parents will sacrifice to keep their kids safe. I pray things improve or treatment comes, but until then, parents will put safety first. No one I know wants to take a flyer on this inflammatory syndrome. Hopefully we’ll get a better handle on that by September, but the USA Today Numbers reflect the fear parents have now.

That isn’t a bubble thing, just because it conflicts with your view.

Is this a rational fear though? Based on what I have read, it is not rational based on the risks to children, if safety precautions are put into place and we are in a decent enough place in September. No doubt about it that Americans are consumed with fear right now.

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Anonymous wrote:This city is such an echo chamber bubble I almost cannot believe it. I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't get out enough or have ties with others, to realize what this place is.

+1000

USA Today poll (hardly a dc bubble) revealed today that 59%of parents will not send their kids to school in the fall because of fears of illness. Another 30% will consider full distance learning.

I know everyone wants to get back. I know this is taking a toll. But no matter the hardship, most parents will sacrifice to keep their kids safe. I pray things improve or treatment comes, but until then, parents will put safety first. No one I know wants to take a flyer on this inflammatory syndrome. Hopefully we’ll get a better handle on that by September, but the USA Today Numbers reflect the fear parents have now.

That isn’t a bubble thing, just because it conflicts with your view.

Is this a rational fear though? Based on what I have read, it is not rational based on the risks to children, if safety precautions are put into place and we are in a decent enough place in September. No doubt about it that Americans are consumed with fear right now.

agree

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If DC area admin, teachers, or over politicized parent base wants to be Prima Donna of the World on this we will absolutely be calling up the school to defer for a year, and send our kids to live with out of state relatives and attend an in person school.

So your solution is to send your kids away for months and months? Seriously? You need to rethink your priorities.

Also, most private schools will not let students "defer" for a year. If they leave the school, they will have to reapply as the school will surely replace them with a student on their wait list. Of course, there's also the related cost of backing out of your contract.

Colleges are. They know their value proposition is a fraction of what it should be when doing virtual classes.

There's kind of a difference between a college and a elementary/high school.

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Anonymous wrote:This city is such an echo chamber bubble I almost cannot believe it. I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't get out enough or have ties with others, to realize what this place is.

+1000

USA Today poll (hardly a dc bubble) revealed today that 59%of parents will not send their kids to school in the fall because of fears of illness. Another 30% will consider full distance learning.

I know everyone wants to get back. I know this is taking a toll. But no matter the hardship, most parents will sacrifice to keep their kids safe. I pray things improve or treatment comes, but until then, parents will put safety first. No one I know wants to take a flyer on this inflammatory syndrome. Hopefully we’ll get a better handle on that by September, but the USA Today Numbers reflect the fear parents have now.

That isn’t a bubble thing, just because it conflicts with your view.

You just defined the bubble issue PP, and it doesn't seem like you're joking.

U.S. mass media has spoonfed its readers that 0.0X% kawasaki is UNSAFE for kids to go out anywhere.

Define "keep kids safe." That seems to be where the ideologies here greatly diverge.
And at what cost to their education, social skills, behavior, development, general/mental health?

Keep kids safe from what? What does the COVID 19 total data show for kids under 18, with or without health comorbidities, in terms of severe symptoms, deaths, rare diseases?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If DC area admin, teachers, or over politicized parent base wants to be Prima Donna of the World on this we will absolutely be calling up the school to defer for a year, and send our kids to live with out of state relatives and attend an in person school.

So your solution is to send your kids away for months and months? Seriously? You need to rethink your priorities.

Also, most private schools will not let students "defer" for a year. If they leave the school, they will have to reapply as the school will surely replace them with a student on their wait list. Of course, there's also the related cost of backing out of your contract.

Colleges are. They know their value proposition is a fraction of what it should be when doing virtual classes.

There's kind of a difference between a college and a elementary/high school.

Yeah, elementary school kids need an adult overseeing them playing on the ipad or computer during distance "learning." Plus the get your work done check-ups.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This city is such an echo chamber bubble I almost cannot believe it. I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't get out enough or have ties with others, to realize what this place is.

+1000

USA Today poll (hardly a dc bubble) revealed today that 59%of parents will not send their kids to school in the fall because of fears of illness. Another 30% will consider full distance learning.

I know everyone wants to get back. I know this is taking a toll. But no matter the hardship, most parents will sacrifice to keep their kids safe. I pray things improve or treatment comes, but until then, parents will put safety first. No one I know wants to take a flyer on this inflammatory syndrome. Hopefully we’ll get a better handle on that by September, but the USA Today Numbers reflect the fear parents have now.

That isn’t a bubble thing, just because it conflicts with your view.

Is this a rational fear though? Based on what I have read, it is not rational based on the risks to children, if safety precautions are put into place and we are in a decent enough place in September. No doubt about it that Americans are consumed with fear right now.

The issue isn't so much the risk to children, though we need to find out more about the kawaski-like illness. But rather, the risk that children can be asymptomatic carriers and infect parents, teachers, custodians, grandparents etc.