What the Fall may look like -- the hybrid model

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This city is such an echo chamber bubble I almost cannot believe it. I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't get out enough or have ties with others, to realize what this place is.

+1000

USA Today poll (hardly a dc bubble) revealed today that 59%of parents will not send their kids to school in the fall because of fears of illness. Another 30% will consider full distance learning.

I know everyone wants to get back. I know this is taking a toll. But no matter the hardship, most parents will sacrifice to keep their kids safe. I pray things improve or treatment comes, but until then, parents will put safety first. No one I know wants to take a flyer on this inflammatory syndrome. Hopefully we’ll get a better handle on that by September, but the USA Today Numbers reflect the fear parents have now.

That isn’t a bubble thing, just because it conflicts with your view.

You just defined the bubble issue PP, and it doesn't seem like you're joking.

U.S. mass media has spoonfed its readers that 0.0X% kawasaki is UNSAFE for kids to go out anywhere.

Define "keep kids safe." That seems to be where the ideologies here greatly diverge.
And at what cost to their education, social skills, behavior, development, general/mental health?

Keep kids safe from what? What does the COVID 19 total data show for kids under 18, with or without health comorbidities, in terms of severe symptoms, deaths, rare diseases?

Do you intend for your kids to hang out with your parents? If so, you don't want them at school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This city is such an echo chamber bubble I almost cannot believe it. I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't get out enough or have ties with others, to realize what this place is.

+1000

USA Today poll (hardly a dc bubble) revealed today that 59%of parents will not send their kids to school in the fall because of fears of illness. Another 30% will consider full distance learning.

I know everyone wants to get back. I know this is taking a toll. But no matter the hardship, most parents will sacrifice to keep their kids safe. I pray things improve or treatment comes, but until then, parents will put safety first. No one I know wants to take a flyer on this inflammatory syndrome. Hopefully we’ll get a better handle on that by September, but the USA Today Numbers reflect the fear parents have now.

That isn’t a bubble thing, just because it conflicts with your view.

Is this a rational fear though? Based on what I have read, it is not rational based on the risks to children, if safety precautions are put into place and we are in a decent enough place in September. No doubt about it that Americans are consumed with fear right now.

agree

Agree with first two sentences.
Disagree with third sentence. Things are in the process of reopening, with distancing modifications+face mask use if <6 ft situation just fine - restaurants, weddings, parties, day cares, offices, retail, etc., all over the country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This city is such an echo chamber bubble I almost cannot believe it. I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't get out enough or have ties with others, to realize what this place is.

+1000

USA Today poll (hardly a dc bubble) revealed today that 59%of parents will not send their kids to school in the fall because of fears of illness. Another 30% will consider full distance learning.

I know everyone wants to get back. I know this is taking a toll. But no matter the hardship, most parents will sacrifice to keep their kids safe. I pray things improve or treatment comes, but until then, parents will put safety first. No one I know wants to take a flyer on this inflammatory syndrome. Hopefully we’ll get a better handle on that by September, but the USA Today Numbers reflect the fear parents have now.

That isn’t a bubble thing, just because it conflicts with your view.

You just defined the bubble issue PP, and it doesn't seem like you're joking.

U.S. mass media has spoonfed its readers that 0.0X% kawasaki is UNSAFE for kids to go out anywhere.

Define "keep kids safe." That seems to be where the ideologies here greatly diverge.
And at what cost to their education, social skills, behavior, development, general/mental health?

Keep kids safe from what? What does the COVID 19 total data show for kids under 18, with or without health comorbidities, in terms of severe symptoms, deaths, rare diseases?

Do you intend for your kids to hang out with your parents? If so, you don't want them at school.

Are you saying that you don't want your kids educated at an in-person school in order for them to be able to hang out with elderly folks?

[Anonymous]

Well that's cart before the horse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This city is such an echo chamber bubble I almost cannot believe it. I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't get out enough or have ties with others, to realize what this place is.

+1000

USA Today poll (hardly a dc bubble) revealed today that 59%of parents will not send their kids to school in the fall because of fears of illness. Another 30% will consider full distance learning.

I know everyone wants to get back. I know this is taking a toll. But no matter the hardship, most parents will sacrifice to keep their kids safe. I pray things improve or treatment comes, but until then, parents will put safety first. No one I know wants to take a flyer on this inflammatory syndrome. Hopefully we’ll get a better handle on that by September, but the USA Today Numbers reflect the fear parents have now.

That isn’t a bubble thing, just because it conflicts with your view.

You just defined the bubble issue PP, and it doesn't seem like you're joking.

U.S. mass media has spoonfed its readers that 0.0X% kawasaki is UNSAFE for kids to go out anywhere.

Define "keep kids safe." That seems to be where the ideologies here greatly diverge.
And at what cost to their education, social skills, behavior, development, general/mental health?

Keep kids safe from what? What does the COVID 19 total data show for kids under 18, with or without health comorbidities, in terms of severe symptoms, deaths, rare diseases?

It’s my responsibility to keep my child safe. In this context, that means preventing my DC’s exposure to a potentially life-threatening disease, one that may leave life-long traces on her health.

However, since this a new coronavirus, much is not known. So I have to accept that other parents may make other choice. I of course accept that other parents allow their children to be guinea pigs in this giant, historical public health experiment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This city is such an echo chamber bubble I almost cannot believe it. I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't get out enough or have ties with others, to realize what this place is.

+1000

USA Today poll (hardly a dc bubble) revealed today that 59%of parents will not send their kids to school in the fall because of fears of illness. Another 30% will consider full distance learning.

I know everyone wants to get back. I know this is taking a toll. But no matter the hardship, most parents will sacrifice to keep their kids safe. I pray things improve or treatment comes, but until then, parents will put safety first. No one I know wants to take a flyer on this inflammatory syndrome. Hopefully we’ll get a better handle on that by September, but the USA Today Numbers reflect the fear parents have now.

That isn’t a bubble thing, just because it conflicts with your view.

You just defined the bubble issue PP, and it doesn't seem like you're joking.

U.S. mass media has spoonfed its readers that 0.0X% kawasaki is UNSAFE for kids to go out anywhere.

Define "keep kids safe." That seems to be where the ideologies here greatly diverge.
And at what cost to their education, social skills, behavior, development, general/mental health?

Keep kids safe from what? What does the COVID 19 total data show for kids under 18, with or without health comorbidities, in terms of severe symptoms, deaths, rare diseases?

It’s my responsibility to keep my child safe. In this context, that means preventing my DC’s exposure to a potentially life-threatening disease, one that may leave life-long traces on her health.

However, since this a new coronavirus, much is not known. So I have to accept that other parents may make other choice. I of course accept that other parents allow their children to be guinea pigs in this giant, historical public health experiment.

+1.

I very much want my kids back at school. For countless reasons. But in the grand scheme of things, losing the fall semester will not be a massive deal. At least as of now, we just don’t know about the virus or how to treat it. Crappy as it is, most parents are going to hold off and protect their kids while we figure it out. Schools understand that and are trying to find ways to give kids at least some in-person school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This city is such an echo chamber bubble I almost cannot believe it. I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't get out enough or have ties with others, to realize what this place is.

+1000

USA Today poll (hardly a dc bubble) revealed today that 59%of parents will not send their kids to school in the fall because of fears of illness. Another 30% will consider full distance learning.

I know everyone wants to get back. I know this is taking a toll. But no matter the hardship, most parents will sacrifice to keep their kids safe. I pray things improve or treatment comes, but until then, parents will put safety first. No one I know wants to take a flyer on this inflammatory syndrome. Hopefully we’ll get a better handle on that by September, but the USA Today Numbers reflect the fear parents have now.

That isn’t a bubble thing, just because it conflicts with your view.

You just defined the bubble issue PP, and it doesn't seem like you're joking.

U.S. mass media has spoonfed its readers that 0.0X% kawasaki is UNSAFE for kids to go out anywhere.

Define "keep kids safe." That seems to be where the ideologies here greatly diverge.
And at what cost to their education, social skills, behavior, development, general/mental health?

Keep kids safe from what? What does the COVID 19 total data show for kids under 18, with or without health comorbidities, in terms of severe symptoms, deaths, rare diseases?

It’s my responsibility to keep my child safe. In this context, that means preventing my DC’s exposure to a potentially life-threatening disease, one that may leave life-long traces on her health.

However, since this a new coronavirus, much is not known. So I have to accept that other parents may make other choice. I of course accept that other parents allow their children to be guinea pigs in this giant, historical public health experiment.

Thanks for confirming your extreme opinion: You are not letting your child go out due to the risk of developing a rare, and treatable, inflammatory disease. And you are making fun of all everyone else (guinea pigs) who don't agree with you.

Got it.

I hope this was a joint decision between you and your spouse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This city is such an echo chamber bubble I almost cannot believe it. I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't get out enough or have ties with others, to realize what this place is.

+1000

USA Today poll (hardly a dc bubble) revealed today that 59%of parents will not send their kids to school in the fall because of fears of illness. Another 30% will consider full distance learning.

I know everyone wants to get back. I know this is taking a toll. But no matter the hardship, most parents will sacrifice to keep their kids safe. I pray things improve or treatment comes, but until then, parents will put safety first. No one I know wants to take a flyer on this inflammatory syndrome. Hopefully we’ll get a better handle on that by September, but the USA Today Numbers reflect the fear parents have now.

That isn’t a bubble thing, just because it conflicts with your view.

You just defined the bubble issue PP, and it doesn't seem like you're joking.

U.S. mass media has spoonfed its readers that 0.0X% kawasaki is UNSAFE for kids to go out anywhere.

Define "keep kids safe." That seems to be where the ideologies here greatly diverge.
And at what cost to their education, social skills, behavior, development, general/mental health?

Keep kids safe from what? What does the COVID 19 total data show for kids under 18, with or without health comorbidities, in terms of severe symptoms, deaths, rare diseases?

Do you intend for your kids to hang out with your parents? If so, you don't want them at school.

Are you saying that you don't want your kids educated at an in-person school in order for them to be able to hang out with elderly folks?

Actually she's saying that grandparents should not isolate as an at-risk demographic, but instead hang out with kids.
Thus she doesn't want kids intermingling with anyone at school.
Thus all schools should remain in virtual mode.
QED.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My question about a hybrid model is about staffing. Do schools hire twice as many teachers or are they expecting teachers to expose themselves to the same
Number of children pre-pandemic? These ideas about teachers floating in to a static student group still scare me as a parent. Whose to say one teacher doesn’t pick up something from one student group and pass it to another?

No additional teachers, kids come half as often. Either half days or 2 days a week or every other week (4 days a week).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My question about a hybrid model is about staffing. Do schools hire twice as many teachers or are they expecting teachers to expose themselves to the same
Number of children pre-pandemic? These ideas about teachers floating in to a static student group still scare me as a parent. Whose to say one teacher doesn’t pick up something from one student group and pass it to another?

No additional teachers, kids come half as often. Either half days or 2 days a week or every other week (4 days a week).

Right, but this way the teachers are still mixing between cohorts. I don't see a way around that for larger privates with more than 18 students per class. Current CDC guidelines recommend no more than 10 per cohort total, including the teacher. (So, one teacher and 9 students.) The teachers can absolutely be vectors between cohorts, rendering the model pretty ineffective for transmission control (and contact tracing--the idea of stable cohorts was to allow one cohort to be absent due to illness while others carried on, if there's cohort mixing even by staff, then it renders a whole-school or whole-grade shut down more likely).

[Anonymous]

I don’t see how a day on day off model would work given the transmission risk between sections. Though maybe teachers would go on a week with a group and off a week (at their home) doing distance learning with their group.

Doesn’t solve for the distance bit though as cohort would be full-sized.

[Anonymous]

Universities are opening in the Fall. The schools here will open. Cases are slowing and vaccine research is continuing (a lot of pharmacy/ iota has companies have abandoned further vaccine development). Sadly, the majority of deaths were in nursing homes and NY. A very large number of deaths were counted as Covid related but are not. We will know even more by August. What has happened is horrible, but we are turning the corner and better days are ahead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Universities are opening in the Fall. The schools here will open. Cases are slowing and vaccine research is continuing (a lot of pharmacy/ iota has companies have abandoned further vaccine development). Sadly, the majority of deaths were in nursing homes and NY. A very large number of deaths were counted as Covid related but are not. We will know even more by August. What has happened is horrible, but we are turning the corner and better days are ahead.

I love the fact that so many of you write with such authority about all this. You don't know shit about what is going to be happening.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Universities are opening in the Fall. The schools here will open. Cases are slowing and vaccine research is continuing (a lot of pharmacy/ iota has companies have abandoned further vaccine development). Sadly, the majority of deaths were in nursing homes and NY. A very large number of deaths were counted as Covid related but are not. We will know even more by August. What has happened is horrible, but we are turning the corner and better days are ahead.

I love the fact that so many of you write with such authority about all this. You don't know shit about what is going to be happening.

And neither do you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My question about a hybrid model is about staffing. Do schools hire twice as many teachers or are they expecting teachers to expose themselves to the same
Number of children pre-pandemic? These ideas about teachers floating in to a static student group still scare me as a parent. Whose to say one teacher doesn’t pick up something from one student group and pass it to another?

No additional teachers, kids come half as often. Either half days or 2 days a week or every other week (4 days a week).

Right, but this way the teachers are still mixing between cohorts. I don't see a way around that for larger privates with more than 18 students per class. Current CDC guidelines recommend no more than 10 per cohort total, including the teacher. (So, one teacher and 9 students.) The teachers can absolutely be vectors between cohorts, rendering the model pretty ineffective for transmission control (and contact tracing--the idea of stable cohorts was to allow one cohort to be absent due to illness while others carried on, if there's cohort mixing even by staff, then it renders a whole-school or whole-grade shut down more likely).

A modular approach could work. 4 weeks of English class, all day, same kids, same teacher. Then 4 weeks of Math, then 4 weeks of Science... Would really reduce the mixing among cohorts.