What the Fall may look like -- the hybrid model

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Anonymous wrote:The social development piece that is missing cannot be recaptured in a hybrid, socially distant environment for the vast majority of kids. It just can’t happen. On so many levels it just wishful thinking. If kids go back to their school in a completely new way, expecting to invest a ton of energy in just learning and adjusting to this new normal it will not move the needle and it took a lot for everyone to adjust to DL and I think hybrid might just really make it so much for palpable as to what they have lost. I think it could make the kids really sad and demoralized. We may wish going to school hybrids will make things better but it might make things worse, emotionally and socially and be a distraction from for kids and potoential efforts to refine DL

If hybrid doesn’t work for your kid, he/she can almost assuredly do everything online. The hybrid provides optionality. My kid would do better with the hybrid, that I know for certain. You’ll have choices.

In Israel, the hybrid model was flat-out rejected as unsatisfactory for student learning and for parents.

What did they do instead?

They opened 5 days a week for those willing to come, as they have also done in a number of countries. The USA is bombing this.

+1000. However the extremist mentality that a couple people have here where they think the global society should stay isolate forever for each and every health issue until there is a cure or vaccine is not prevalent outside of the DMV.

I would be all for Israel's model if we had reacted and contained the virus the way they did, if our citizens were following instructions they way theirs are, if we were as small and controllable as they are, and if our government had done what theirs did from the get go and was preparing for winter the way they are. Right now, talking about Isreal v. U.S. is like comparing grad school to preK.

I don't fully understand this, as we are not talking about the fall not now, and we are talking about DC, which has been locked down for the same amount of time as Israel was. We have more time to distance as we are not even considering anything until September.

I dont know what exactly Israel did, but many European countries had lockdowns way more severe than what was done here. If nobody told me there was a lockdown in place I would never guess as the streets remain crowded, people are not wearing masks and renovations are buzzing along. The measures implemented elsewhere were way more severe. Looking at Israel's data it seems they have no more community spread going on and they probably test or quarantine everyone that arrives from abroad. And yes, if you are at that point you can consider opening schools full time. This country and this area is nowhere close to that.[/

Ok but acknowledge that the data is not cut and draw and the experts can’t predict outcomes perfectly. Look at mortality data. US is way below France and they have opened schools. Sweden is in the middle and never locked down.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/us-map

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Anonymous wrote:The social development piece that is missing cannot be recaptured in a hybrid, socially distant environment for the vast majority of kids. It just can’t happen. On so many levels it just wishful thinking. If kids go back to their school in a completely new way, expecting to invest a ton of energy in just learning and adjusting to this new normal it will not move the needle and it took a lot for everyone to adjust to DL and I think hybrid might just really make it so much for palpable as to what they have lost. I think it could make the kids really sad and demoralized. We may wish going to school hybrids will make things better but it might make things worse, emotionally and socially and be a distraction from for kids and potoential efforts to refine DL

If hybrid doesn’t work for your kid, he/she can almost assuredly do everything online. The hybrid provides optionality. My kid would do better with the hybrid, that I know for certain. You’ll have choices.

In Israel, the hybrid model was flat-out rejected as unsatisfactory for student learning and for parents.

What did they do instead?

They opened 5 days a week for those willing to come, as they have also done in a number of countries. The USA is bombing this.

+1000. However the extremist mentality that a couple people have here where they think the global society should stay isolate forever for each and every health issue until there is a cure or vaccine is not prevalent outside of the DMV.

I would be all for Israel's model if we had reacted and contained the virus the way they did, if our citizens were following instructions they way theirs are, if we were as small and controllable as they are, and if our government had done what theirs did from the get go and was preparing for winter the way they are. Right now, talking about Isreal v. U.S. is like comparing grad school to preK.

I don't fully understand this, as we are not talking about the fall not now, and we are talking about DC, which has been locked down for the same amount of time as Israel was. We have more time to distance as we are not even considering anything until September.

I dont know what exactly Israel did, but many European countries had lockdowns way more severe than what was done here. If nobody told me there was a lockdown in place I would never guess as the streets remain crowded, people are not wearing masks and renovations are buzzing along. The measures implemented elsewhere were way more severe. Looking at Israel's data it seems they have no more community spread going on and they probably test or quarantine everyone that arrives from abroad. And yes, if you are at that point you can consider opening schools full time. This country and this area is nowhere close to that.

How are we supposed to get community spread and herd immunity like elsewhere if school or local leadership is telling people to stay home?

There are states already at 50 people gatherings by this week’s end. Basically over the next three months everywhere else but DCUM DC will overcome it.

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Also for the parents saying opening is so dangerous, I bet you are wealthy parents who can work from home. The larger consequences for other families of NOT opening schools are huge in terms of health and economic reasons. That is why there needs to be a safe reopening until it is proven that it cannot work. If you don't want to send your child bc you can be at home with her/him, fine--keep your kid at home.

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Anonymous wrote:Also for the parents saying opening is so dangerous, I bet you are wealthy parents who can work from home. The larger consequences for other families of NOT opening schools are huge in terms of health and economic reasons. That is why there needs to be a safe reopening until it is proven that it cannot work. If you don't want to send your child bc you can be at home with her/him, fine--keep your kid at home.

Please please stop putting the importance of school in the context of child care. It is much more important for learning disabled children for other reasons. We are never going to win this fight on the childcare argument.

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Anonymous wrote:Also for the parents saying opening is so dangerous, I bet you are wealthy parents who can work from home. The larger consequences for other families of NOT opening schools are huge in terms of health and economic reasons. That is why there needs to be a safe reopening until it is proven that it cannot work. If you don't want to send your child bc you can be at home with her/him, fine--keep your kid at home.

You’re on the dc private school forum. What exactly are you expecting?

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Anonymous wrote:Also for the parents saying opening is so dangerous, I bet you are wealthy parents who can work from home. The larger consequences for other families of NOT opening schools are huge in terms of health and economic reasons. That is why there needs to be a safe reopening until it is proven that it cannot work. If you don't want to send your child bc you can be at home with her/him, fine--keep your kid at home.

Please please stop putting the importance of school in the context of child care. It is much more important for learning disabled children for other reasons. We are never going to win this fight on the childcare argument.

What?? It is so privileged to say this is not about societal needs to reopen. Can you not see the importance for many, many families of having a safe school on site?

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Anonymous wrote:Also for the parents saying opening is so dangerous, I bet you are wealthy parents who can work from home. The larger consequences for other families of NOT opening schools are huge in terms of health and economic reasons. That is why there needs to be a safe reopening until it is proven that it cannot work. If you don't want to send your child bc you can be at home with her/him, fine--keep your kid at home.

Please please stop putting the importance of school in the context of child care. It is much more important for learning disabled children for other reasons. We are never going to win this fight on the childcare argument.

What?? It is so privileged to say this is not about societal needs to reopen. Can you not see the importance for many, many families of having a safe school on site?

Also, countries that are opening realize that opening benefits the kids and the families. Obviously, if there is a huge risk, it cannot happen. But if the risk is tolerable, which it seems that it might be in Sept, to stay closed out of extreme fear is nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:The social development piece that is missing cannot be recaptured in a hybrid, socially distant environment for the vast majority of kids. It just can’t happen. On so many levels it just wishful thinking. If kids go back to their school in a completely new way, expecting to invest a ton of energy in just learning and adjusting to this new normal it will not move the needle and it took a lot for everyone to adjust to DL and I think hybrid might just really make it so much for palpable as to what they have lost. I think it could make the kids really sad and demoralized. We may wish going to school hybrids will make things better but it might make things worse, emotionally and socially and be a distraction from for kids and potoential efforts to refine DL

If hybrid doesn’t work for your kid, he/she can almost assuredly do everything online. The hybrid provides optionality. My kid would do better with the hybrid, that I know for certain. You’ll have choices.

In Israel, the hybrid model was flat-out rejected as unsatisfactory for student learning and for parents.

What did they do instead?

They opened 5 days a week for those willing to come, as they have also done in a number of countries. The USA is bombing this.

+1000. However the extremist mentality that a couple people have here where they think the global society should stay isolate forever for each and every health issue until there is a cure or vaccine is not prevalent outside of the DMV.

I would be all for Israel's model if we had reacted and contained the virus the way they did, if our citizens were following instructions they way theirs are, if we were as small and controllable as they are, and if our government had done what theirs did from the get go and was preparing for winter the way they are. Right now, talking about Isreal v. U.S. is like comparing grad school to preK.

I don't fully understand this, as we are not talking about the fall not now, and we are talking about DC, which has been locked down for the same amount of time as Israel was. We have more time to distance as we are not even considering anything until September.

I dont know what exactly Israel did, but many European countries had lockdowns way more severe than what was done here. If nobody told me there was a lockdown in place I would never guess as the streets remain crowded, people are not wearing masks and renovations are buzzing along. The measures implemented elsewhere were way more severe. Looking at Israel's data it seems they have no more community spread going on and they probably test or quarantine everyone that arrives from abroad. And yes, if you are at that point you can consider opening schools full time. This country and this area is nowhere close to that.

How are we supposed to get community spread and herd immunity like elsewhere if school or local leadership is telling people to stay home?

There are states already at 50 people gatherings by this week’s end. Basically over the next three months everywhere else but DCUM DC will overcome it.

You misunderstood me. What I meant is that some countries implemented measures so severe that they basically eradicated community spread rather than achieved herd immunity. My country is currently having 1-2 new cases per day, all of them imported. I would send my child to full time school there with no hesitation. I would not be quite as comfortable here.

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Anonymous wrote:Also for the parents saying opening is so dangerous, I bet you are wealthy parents who can work from home. The larger consequences for other families of NOT opening schools are huge in terms of health and economic reasons. That is why there needs to be a safe reopening until it is proven that it cannot work. If you don't want to send your child bc you can be at home with her/him, fine--keep your kid at home.

You’re on the dc private school forum. What exactly are you expecting?

Well, get out of your bubble and realize that even in private schools not every family will have a SAHM parent in the fall or funds for a nanny etc when it is safe enough for schools to open and they have to go back to work too. Plus it sucks for the kids to be isolated.

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The schools are opening. Take your hysteria elsewhere.

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Anonymous wrote:Also for the parents saying opening is so dangerous, I bet you are wealthy parents who can work from home. The larger consequences for other families of NOT opening schools are huge in terms of health and economic reasons. That is why there needs to be a safe reopening until it is proven that it cannot work. If you don't want to send your child bc you can be at home with her/him, fine--keep your kid at home.

Please please stop putting the importance of school in the context of child care. It is much more important for learning disabled children for other reasons. We are never going to win this fight on the childcare argument.

What?? It is so privileged to say this is not about societal needs to reopen. Can you not see the importance for many, many families of having a safe school on site?

Agree, that is a privileged view to expect to “work” from home while everyone else delivers your groceries, works in the lab, reconfigures supply chains, etc.

Education is now a real problem, children are not getting taught well. Every neighborhood would be better off holding a one room school house in someone’s basement. Months and months of substandard education, especially for young children who, developmentally should be learning by leaps and bounds, are way behind. Hiring a tutor an hour a day would be better than online zoom classes and a couple homework problems.

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Anonymous wrote:The social development piece that is missing cannot be recaptured in a hybrid, socially distant environment for the vast majority of kids. It just can’t happen. On so many levels it just wishful thinking. If kids go back to their school in a completely new way, expecting to invest a ton of energy in just learning and adjusting to this new normal it will not move the needle and it took a lot for everyone to adjust to DL and I think hybrid might just really make it so much for palpable as to what they have lost. I think it could make the kids really sad and demoralized. We may wish going to school hybrids will make things better but it might make things worse, emotionally and socially and be a distraction from for kids and potoential efforts to refine DL

If hybrid doesn’t work for your kid, he/she can almost assuredly do everything online. The hybrid provides optionality. My kid would do better with the hybrid, that I know for certain. You’ll have choices.

In Israel, the hybrid model was flat-out rejected as unsatisfactory for student learning and for parents.

What did they do instead?

They opened 5 days a week for those willing to come, as they have also done in a number of countries. The USA is bombing this.

+1000. However the extremist mentality that a couple people have here where they think the global society should stay isolate forever for each and every health issue until there is a cure or vaccine is not prevalent outside of the DMV.

I would be all for Israel's model if we had reacted and contained the virus the way they did, if our citizens were following instructions they way theirs are, if we were as small and controllable as they are, and if our government had done what theirs did from the get go and was preparing for winter the way they are. Right now, talking about Isreal v. U.S. is like comparing grad school to preK.

I don't fully understand this, as we are not talking about the fall not now, and we are talking about DC, which has been locked down for the same amount of time as Israel was. We have more time to distance as we are not even considering anything until September.

I dont know what exactly Israel did, but many European countries had lockdowns way more severe than what was done here. If nobody told me there was a lockdown in place I would never guess as the streets remain crowded, people are not wearing masks and renovations are buzzing along. The measures implemented elsewhere were way more severe. Looking at Israel's data it seems they have no more community spread going on and they probably test or quarantine everyone that arrives from abroad. And yes, if you are at that point you can consider opening schools full time. This country and this area is nowhere close to that.[/

Ok but acknowledge that the data is not cut and draw and the experts can’t predict outcomes perfectly. Look at mortality data. US is way below France and they have opened schools. Sweden is in the middle and never locked down.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/us-map

You are looking at a snapshot of data and seeing what you want to see. You are completely ignoring epidemiology and time.

[Anonymous]

If DC area admin, teachers, or over politicized parent base wants to be Prima Donna of the World on this we will absolutely be calling up the school to defer for a year, and send our kids to live with out of state relatives and attend an in person school.

So your solution is to send your kids away for months and months? Seriously? You need to rethink your priorities.

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Anonymous wrote:Also for the parents saying opening is so dangerous, I bet you are wealthy parents who can work from home. The larger consequences for other families of NOT opening schools are huge in terms of health and economic reasons. That is why there needs to be a safe reopening until it is proven that it cannot work. If you don't want to send your child bc you can be at home with her/him, fine--keep your kid at home.

Look, the bottom line is that private schools are a luxury item that many can’t afford. As much as we want to believe it is available to all it simply isn’t. But public schools are. Public schools may make very different decisions for the fall and that option is truly available to all.

We are a family that has received financial aid to make it affordable but it no longer will work for us. And that’s okay. School is just one aspect of our lives.

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If DC area admin, teachers, or over politicized parent base wants to be Prima Donna of the World on this we will absolutely be calling up the school to defer for a year, and send our kids to live with out of state relatives and attend an in person school.

So your solution is to send your kids away for months and months? Seriously? You need to rethink your priorities.

We both can work remotely from anywhere. Now our employers agree to. We don't need to stay here whatsoever. We are currently in 48 hour negotiations to leave the area and pull our three kids from their private K-12. This K-12 has offered no guidance on what it thinks it can accomplish regarding reopening so I'm going to assume its on the left tail of CYA.