Jeff Cup flights are out

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Anonymous wrote:Where are all the great TSJFCV teams?????

They didn't apply. Jeff Cup is not what it used to be. 07/08 and above are DA and won't attend. The very young teams don't bother with this one anymore.

DD was U11 last year and the club said this tournament was a must. Now at U12 we were told it’s not worth it.
Total bs if you ask me. More to this story than we’re being told.

I don't believe it either. FCVs 07 DA team is going. why not 08 when they went last year? They knew they would get poor placement? Or not accepted?

IMO BRYC and FCV are doing the same strategy with their younger teams in an effort to hide that they are not competitive. They are "playing up". That way if they lose it's ok because they are playing against older players. Both teams are playing up in their leagues (NCSL and NPL) and even enter tournaments playing U13. Jeff Cup is not going to allow that so they aren't going to participate. They can't yet afford to play against other U12 teams because then any current superstars would realize that their team is not competitive and with results out for the world to see no new talent will come out either. McLean may need to take a similar approach. Losing to Arlington's 3rd team is why they are in the 7th bracket of Jeff Cup!

You spend way too much time dreaming up elaborate evil schemes for these clubs. BRYC plays up in NCSL to allow for roster flexibility. Nothing sinister going on here. Winning is not the main emphasis in the pre-high school age groups. I can't speak for FCV as my kids don't play there, but BRYC just isn't that devious. Please stop worrying about this. If you have such disdain for these clubs, don't have your kid play for them. Simple.

Oh, the club TDs know the impact that rankings play in terms of drawing interest in a program. That said, it is unknown whether the clubs in question actually applied to Jeff Cup or not. But based on rankings and flight placement last year it could be pretty simple to say there is nothing to be gained by going this year. If you are not in a top flight it can be considered a waste of time for the effort. In FCV's case I'm sure they feel talent will come and in a year Jeff Cup days will be behind them anyway.

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I have found that clubs boast about two things: college recruitment rates and YNT players (as a sort of stamp that the best players are with them). I've never had a club talk to us or seen a club's website post what Jeff cup bracket they are in.

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Anonymous wrote:I have found that clubs boast about two things: college recruitment rates and YNT players (as a sort of stamp that the best players are with them). I've never had a club talk to us or seen a club's website post what Jeff cup bracket they are in.

The bracket is a barometer of the over all quality of the team. If a player has a choice between Arlington and FCV for DA next year and all of Arlington's rankings are significantly higher parents will presume that the Arlington core of players is better and may simply be a better team. That may not in fact be the case but it is the perception none the less.

If FCV had a dominant 08 group there would be plenty a Tweet storm about each and every one of their success. Instead, the club needs to promote past success of aging out age groups to act as their boasting.

So, yes, if there is something that FCV can boast about, they will.

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Anonymous wrote:Where are all the great TSJFCV teams?????

They didn't apply. Jeff Cup is not what it used to be. 07/08 and above are DA and won't attend. The very young teams don't bother with this one anymore.

DD was U11 last year and the club said this tournament was a must. Now at U12 we were told it’s not worth it.
Total bs if you ask me. More to this story than we’re being told.

I don't believe it either. FCVs 07 DA team is going. why not 08 when they went last year? They knew they would get poor placement? Or not accepted?

IMO BRYC and FCV are doing the same strategy with their younger teams in an effort to hide that they are not competitive. They are "playing up". That way if they lose it's ok because they are playing against older players. Both teams are playing up in their leagues (NCSL and NPL) and even enter tournaments playing U13. Jeff Cup is not going to allow that so they aren't going to participate. They can't yet afford to play against other U12 teams because then any current superstars would realize that their team is not competitive and with results out for the world to see no new talent will come out either. McLean may need to take a similar approach. Losing to Arlington's 3rd team is why they are in the 7th bracket of Jeff Cup!

You spend way too much time dreaming up elaborate evil schemes for these clubs. BRYC plays up in NCSL to allow for roster flexibility. Nothing sinister going on here. Winning is not the main emphasis in the pre-high school age groups. I can't speak for FCV as my kids don't play there, but BRYC just isn't that devious. Please stop worrying about this. If you have such disdain for these clubs, don't have your kid play for them. Simple.

Oh, the club TDs know the impact that rankings play in terms of drawing interest in a program. That said, it is unknown whether the clubs in question actually applied to Jeff Cup or not. But based on rankings and flight placement last year it could be pretty simple to say there is nothing to be gained by going this year. If you are not in a top flight it can be considered a waste of time for the effort. In FCV's case I'm sure they feel talent will come and in a year Jeff Cup days will be behind them anyway.

Yep it is true. Playing lower flights at Jeff cup for a TD has a lot more risk vs the top flight. Win a lower flight gets the team a small bump, do not do well in a lower bracket and it hurts ranking/team placement in other tournaments. Top flight loss hurts a little but you get good placement in other tournaments. Win or do well? It’s a huge up side.

This is only for the big name clubs. The second and third tier clubs are happy with any bracket.

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Anonymous wrote:I have found that clubs boast about two things: college recruitment rates and YNT players (as a sort of stamp that the best players are with them). I've never had a club talk to us or seen a club's website post what Jeff cup bracket they are in.

The bracket is a barometer of the over all quality of the team. If a player has a choice between Arlington and FCV for DA next year and all of Arlington's rankings are significantly higher parents will presume that the Arlington core of players is better and may simply be a better team. That may not in fact be the case but it is the perception none the less.

If FCV had a dominant 08 group there would be plenty a Tweet storm about each and every one of their success. Instead, the club needs to promote past success of aging out age groups to act as their boasting.

So, yes, if there is something that FCV can boast about, they will.

I would pick Arlington over FCV anyways, and not just over bracket rankings. Smaller rosters, the club is more loyal to its players without just churning through players and rosters year after year, and I think they have a quality program.

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There's no future in participating in Jeff Cup for any DA club. The DA showcases are more than enough exposure and they are throughout the year.

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Anonymous wrote:I have found that clubs boast about two things: college recruitment rates and YNT players (as a sort of stamp that the best players are with them). I've never had a club talk to us or seen a club's website post what Jeff cup bracket they are in.

The bracket is a barometer of the over all quality of the team. If a player has a choice between Arlington and FCV for DA next year and all of Arlington's rankings are significantly higher parents will presume that the Arlington core of players is better and may simply be a better team. That may not in fact be the case but it is the perception none the less.

If FCV had a dominant 08 group there would be plenty a Tweet storm about each and every one of their success. Instead, the club needs to promote past success of aging out age groups to act as their boasting.

So, yes, if there is something that FCV can boast about, they will.

I would pick Arlington over FCV anyways, and not just over bracket rankings. Smaller rosters, the club is more loyal to its players without just churning through players and rosters year after year, and I think they have a quality program.

Some people see that as a problem. I have heard complaints about how the teams have not really changed from u9. When you have 6 teams from u9 to u12/u13 you should have a lot more changes. It seems Arlington coaches have some how come up with a system that allows them to ID DA players at u9. If only the results were there it would be a prefect system.

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Anonymous wrote:There's no future in participating in Jeff Cup for any DA club. The DA showcases are more than enough exposure and they are throughout the year.

I agree. My daughter plays ECNL, and with the 3 showcases we participate in each year, I honestly don;t know why there is a need to do more (even though we do).

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Anonymous wrote:I have found that clubs boast about two things: college recruitment rates and YNT players (as a sort of stamp that the best players are with them). I've never had a club talk to us or seen a club's website post what Jeff cup bracket they are in.

The bracket is a barometer of the over all quality of the team. If a player has a choice between Arlington and FCV for DA next year and all of Arlington's rankings are significantly higher parents will presume that the Arlington core of players is better and may simply be a better team. That may not in fact be the case but it is the perception none the less.

If FCV had a dominant 08 group there would be plenty a Tweet storm about each and every one of their success. Instead, the club needs to promote past success of aging out age groups to act as their boasting.

So, yes, if there is something that FCV can boast about, they will.

I would pick Arlington over FCV anyways, and not just over bracket rankings. Smaller rosters, the club is more loyal to its players without just churning through players and rosters year after year, and I think they have a quality program.

Some people see that as a problem. I have heard complaints about how the teams have not really changed from u9. When you have 6 teams from u9 to u12/u13 you should have a lot more changes. It seems Arlington coaches have some how come up with a system that allows them to ID DA players at u9. If only the results were there it would be a prefect system.

To each his own. I think it's a well run club.

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Anonymous wrote:Where are all the great TSJFCV teams?????

They didn't apply. Jeff Cup is not what it used to be. 07/08 and above are DA and won't attend. The very young teams don't bother with this one anymore.

DD was U11 last year and the club said this tournament was a must. Now at U12 we were told it’s not worth it.
Total bs if you ask me. More to this story than we’re being told.

I don't believe it either. FCVs 07 DA team is going. why not 08 when they went last year? They knew they would get poor placement? Or not accepted?

IMO BRYC and FCV are doing the same strategy with their younger teams in an effort to hide that they are not competitive. They are "playing up". That way if they lose it's ok because they are playing against older players. Both teams are playing up in their leagues (NCSL and NPL) and even enter tournaments playing U13. Jeff Cup is not going to allow that so they aren't going to participate. They can't yet afford to play against other U12 teams because then any current superstars would realize that their team is not competitive and with results out for the world to see no new talent will come out either. McLean may need to take a similar approach. Losing to Arlington's 3rd team is why they are in the 7th bracket of Jeff Cup!

Probably correct. Both of those teams have played at age a few times the past couple of years and haven’t had good results.

Both clubs have something to be desired, DA and ECNL next year. Does it really matter to them which tournament they attend? People will still show up for their ID sessions in hopes to make DA and the ECNL teams. If there's a low turnout, the current teams makes DA and everyone is happy.

They’re happy until they get to recruiting age and parents realize they’ve dropped 30K - and countless hours - and no colleges are calling.

You must be thrilled, and your parents, living or dead, are or were very proud to have raised such a thougtful, generous person. Perhaps another way of saying this is that parents should be wary about large expenditures on less competitive teams if their objective is college scholarships. Of course, if we were all using our brains, we'd need to scratch our heads about the expected return on 10 years of travel soccer investment if the primary objective is an athletic scholarship that is extremely difficult to get and not too meaningful in many cases given injuries, attrition, etc. But I would not gloat over the decisions of others that prove unfortunate. I realize that is not the NOVA way these days, or the American one.

You are misunderstanding my point, which is not to schadenfreude. If you read the thread, it seems clubs are playing a little bit of a shell game if they are ducking elite competition by not going to top tournaments or playing up in lower brackets. If parents understand what is going on with this, then that's great, but I think a lot of parents are getting fooled into thinking their kid is 'elite' because of the DA/ECNL badge, when in fact that may be far from the truth.

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Anonymous wrote:Where are all the great TSJFCV teams?????

They didn't apply. Jeff Cup is not what it used to be. 07/08 and above are DA and won't attend. The very young teams don't bother with this one anymore.

DD was U11 last year and the club said this tournament was a must. Now at U12 we were told it’s not worth it.
Total bs if you ask me. More to this story than we’re being told.

Any more info on this?

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Anonymous wrote:no surprise 08 have always been weak in this area. Hopefully Strikers can Win for VA

I never put much stock in these comments. I've heard that about virtually every age group at one time or another. What the problem usually is is the way the 08 teams you see are coached or built up. I've seen teams with too many defenders, too many forwards, too many midfielders. Imbalance or too much spreading out of talent gives the false impression of a "weak age group" .

Too many defenders or midfielders or forwards at U11? I wouldn’t want my 10 year old classified as any of these. At 10 years old they should be developing in all positions.

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Anonymous wrote:Where are all the great TSJFCV teams?????

They didn't apply. Jeff Cup is not what it used to be. 07/08 and above are DA and won't attend. The very young teams don't bother with this one anymore.

Exactly! Why do Jeff Cup with good competition when you can go to hunt country classic and clean up!

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Anonymous wrote:no surprise 08 have always been weak in this area. Hopefully Strikers can Win for VA

I never put much stock in these comments. I've heard that about virtually every age group at one time or another. What the problem usually is is the way the 08 teams you see are coached or built up. I've seen teams with too many defenders, too many forwards, too many midfielders. Imbalance or too much spreading out of talent gives the false impression of a "weak age group" .

Too many defenders or midfielders or forwards at U11? I wouldn’t want my 10 year old classified as any of these. At 10 years old they should be developing in all positions.

You missed the point.

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Anonymous wrote:There's no future in participating in Jeff Cup for any DA club. The DA showcases are more than enough exposure and they are throughout the year.

I agree. My daughter plays ECNL, and with the 3 showcases we participate in each year, I honestly don;t know why there is a need to do more (even though we do).

The only reason to have a DA or ECNL team play in a tournament outside of those leagues and their showcases is to play against other top teams, including other DA or ECNL teams.