Parents are NOT notified by the college if the child gets in trouble, e.g. drugs, alcohol in dorm?

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Anonymous wrote:What a nasty group of people on this thread. Why belittle, insult and demean someone asking a legitimate question about the potential welfare of their kid?

Yeah, it’s some ornery people in this world and even more who are just plain apathetic. Guess parents need to stop babying their kids til they’re 25 and instead prepare them to function on their own to avoid the harsh realities of life in a world where nobody is inclined to baby their legally adult kids for them so they better be able to take care of themselves.

Do you have no friends.

Because I’m an adult and when I am going through this “harsh world” I am 100% not doing it alone.

What a sad and pathetic life you sound like you have.

I have friends, yes, and more importantly (and more relevant to this post) I have instilled and reinforced honesty, compassion/respect, responsibility, accountability, and courage in my kids along with the knowledge that their personal welfare in this world basically boils down to their decisions. I’ve awakened them to the fact that mommy and daddy aren’t Wonder Woman and Superman and we aren’t going to be able to come flying in to save them in their adulthood so they have to save themselves by staying out of trouble in the first place. Maybe my perspective is different since as African-Americans we have to start preparing our kids for a harsh world that doesn’t care about them as early as their elementary years. I wish we had the privilege of expecting everyone to take care of them as we would and expecting every environment they venture into to see them well into adulthood as babies to be pampered and protected like we do, but sadly we don’t.

You have instilled in your kids that her parents won't provide moral support in the face of a tragedy and they need to take care of it themselves because they are "adults" ..... that is a sad. Seriously lady. Your post sounds manic.

Maybe your community could create more safety nets and not let kids sink or swim. It's not a recipe for success.

Your insinuation is obtuse and overreaching but I would expect nothing less. Draw whatever idiotic conclusions you wish about me based on erroneous assumption but bear in mind I’m not the one panicking about how ill-prepared my child is for adulthood.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These straw men comments are really low watt. We’re talking about 18 yo kids, not 25 or 30 yo. Most college sexual assaults are girls 18 and 19. Most dropouts are first or second year. Most hospital visits. It’s the prime age when drug addiction and alcoholism arises.

They aren't straw men. Your daughter may not WANT you to know she was raped. And if she is 18 she 100% has the right to keep that and any other information from you. If she wants you to know, SHE will tell you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We just dropped off our oldest at college that is a plane ride away. My spouse and I entered into the agreement to pay his tuition without any expectation of the university reporting his status. He turned 18 this summer. We’ve worked really hard to teach him to make good choices and how to get out of rough situations. Now we need to let go. It’s not easy. But damn if I’m going to manage this kid for the rest of my life. T

Straw man. Nobody said anything about micro managing. OP discussed when teen is in trouble. A parent SHOULD be notified of a teen freshman is sexually assaulted or caught with drugs in dorm or in the hospital for alcohol poisoning. The secrecy WHEN YOUR CHILD IS IN DANGER is alarming.

+1 Well said. I would have wanted MY parents notified for any of your examples, PP, so it is completely realistic to me that my child would want US notified.

Then your child can call or txt you. No one else is allowed to do so without your adult child's express permission.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP. You will only get this type of notification if your 18+ child is attending a very small private LAC....i.e.,, Roanoke College, St. John's College. Even then, they don't technically have to tell you anything as your child is an adult. However, small private LACs tend to offer a more "TLC"approach.

If the student hasn’t signed a waiver it violates FERPA - a federal law.

Both of our children signed FERPA and HIPPA waivers as conditions of us paying 95% of the freight (didn't qualify for merit; didn't get more than min $5K loan from FAFSA). One is SN. You can't advocate with the Office of Disability Services (ODS) if you don't have a FERPA waiver. We wanted to be notified if either one of our children had a legal or health waiver. HAving those waivers is the only way to get it. Otherwise, you will wind up like a friend who didn't know her own son was flunking out of college until she accidentally tore open a letter from the college sent to the home (because he was supposed to be there - he had already been kicked out for bad grades - she didn't know). It's infuriating but the way Colleges want it to give them more control over situations on campus. It's especially important in the era of me-too and sexual assault allegations being tossed right and left and Colleges generally making a muck of the on-campus legal reviews.

I know I signed the FERPA waiver, as part of the same deal you had with your kids, but I don't remember signing a HIPPA waiver. I may have signed one, but I don't remember.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP. You will only get this type of notification if your 18+ child is attending a very small private LAC....i.e.,, Roanoke College, St. John's College. Even then, they don't technically have to tell you anything as your child is an adult. However, small private LACs tend to offer a more "TLC"approach.

If the student hasn’t signed a waiver it violates FERPA - a federal law.

Both of our children signed FERPA and HIPPA waivers as conditions of us paying 95% of the freight (didn't qualify for merit; didn't get more than min $5K loan from FAFSA). One is SN. You can't advocate with the Office of Disability Services (ODS) if you don't have a FERPA waiver. We wanted to be notified if either one of our children had a legal or health waiver. HAving those waivers is the only way to get it. Otherwise, you will wind up like a friend who didn't know her own son was flunking out of college until she accidentally tore open a letter from the college sent to the home (because he was supposed to be there - he had already been kicked out for bad grades - she didn't know). It's infuriating but the way Colleges want it to give them more control over situations on campus. It's especially important in the era of me-too and sexual assault allegations being tossed right and left and Colleges generally making a muck of the on-campus legal reviews.

Thanks for this. I have a teen with special needs and am struggling with the idea of letting him go far away without our supervision.

Definitely look for an institution with a strong ODS office. There are a number of books that can help you evaluate that but one quick way is to see how many employees work in the ODS office commpared to total number of students on campus. A lot of colleges make promises about accommodation but fail, especially when dealing with a professor who won't comply with the program set out by ODS. From day one we were involved in one child's meetings (and she was 17 but emotionally 12) with ODS to establish what supports the university would give and what they would not. There were several times when DD's self-advocacy with a professor didn't work and we had to ask for a meeting. Some professors were so rude they wouldn't even listen long enough to hear the "We have a FERPA waiver" before saying "I won't talk to parents" and hanging up. which is where, unfortunately, you have to get ODS involved. So, yes, if you have a SN kids, read up on FERPA waivers. It's very easy to do but you have to be aware of them. The first time I ever encountered one of these issues was when a relative had a DD at an elite SLAC you would know the name of. She just stopped attending classes and flunked first term grades. Her parents, who were paying $60K+ a year were never notified. She was not special needs. So FERPA waivers were an understood rule in our family if we are paying for the education. Also, if my DS has been accused of sexual assault, I want to know immediately so I can hire the best lawyer for him and try to get the mess away from a campus tribunal. Early intervention in something like that is key. Fortunately, that has never come up, but it can.

Keep in mind too that the school won't NOTIFY you if you have a FERPA waiver, but you can call and ask for the information with a FERPA waiver. The school isn't calling or sending any parents attendance records, and professors don't know who signed a FERPA waiver or not so they shouldn't talk to parents unless they've been informed by the appropriate office that they can.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What a nasty group of people on this thread. Why belittle, insult and demean someone asking a legitimate question about the potential welfare of their kid?

Yeah, it’s some ornery people in this world and even more who are just plain apathetic. Guess parents need to stop babying their kids til they’re 25 and instead prepare them to function on their own to avoid the harsh realities of life in a world where nobody is inclined to baby their legally adult kids for them so they better be able to take care of themselves.

Do you have no friends.

Because I’m an adult and when I am going through this “harsh world” I am 100% not doing it alone.

What a sad and pathetic life you sound like you have.

I have friends, yes, and more importantly (and more relevant to this post) I have instilled and reinforced honesty, compassion/respect, responsibility, accountability, and courage in my kids along with the knowledge that their personal welfare in this world basically boils down to their decisions. I’ve awakened them to the fact that mommy and daddy aren’t Wonder Woman and Superman and we aren’t going to be able to come flying in to save them in their adulthood so they have to save themselves by staying out of trouble in the first place. Maybe my perspective is different since as African-Americans we have to start preparing our kids for a harsh world that doesn’t care about them as early as their elementary years. I wish we had the privilege of expecting everyone to take care of them as we would and expecting every environment they venture into to see them well into adulthood as babies to be pampered and protected like we do, but sadly we don’t.

You have instilled in your kids that her parents won't provide moral support in the face of a tragedy and they need to take care of it themselves because they are "adults" ..... that is a sad. Seriously lady. Your post sounds manic.

Maybe your community could create more safety nets and not let kids sink or swim. It's not a recipe for success.

Your insinuation is obtuse and overreaching but I would expect nothing less. Draw whatever idiotic conclusions you wish about me based on erroneous assumption but bear in mind I’m not the one panicking about how ill-prepared my child is for adulthood.

You are self righteous and I'm not the 1st to tell you this.

I obviously hit the nail on the head or you would not come back so strong.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:These straw men comments are really low watt. We’re talking about 18 yo kids, not 25 or 30 yo. Most college sexual assaults are girls 18 and 19. Most dropouts are first or second year. Most hospital visits. It’s the prime age when drug addiction and alcoholism arises.

They aren't straw men. Your daughter may not WANT you to know she was raped. And if she is 18 she 100% has the right to keep that and any other information from you. If she wants you to know, SHE will tell you.

Most mentally ill people are not thinking straight. I don't think every parent should be called about everything but I think the school should have each kid indicate how they would like something handled before mental illness and self destruction hits.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP. You will only get this type of notification if your 18+ child is attending a very small private LAC....i.e.,, Roanoke College, St. John's College. Even then, they don't technically have to tell you anything as your child is an adult. However, small private LACs tend to offer a more "TLC"approach.

If the student hasn’t signed a waiver it violates FERPA - a federal law.

Both of our children signed FERPA and HIPPA waivers as conditions of us paying 95% of the freight (didn't qualify for merit; didn't get more than min $5K loan from FAFSA). One is SN. You can't advocate with the Office of Disability Services (ODS) if you don't have a FERPA waiver. We wanted to be notified if either one of our children had a legal or health waiver. HAving those waivers is the only way to get it. Otherwise, you will wind up like a friend who didn't know her own son was flunking out of college until she accidentally tore open a letter from the college sent to the home (because he was supposed to be there - he had already been kicked out for bad grades - she didn't know). It's infuriating but the way Colleges want it to give them more control over situations on campus. It's especially important in the era of me-too and sexual assault allegations being tossed right and left and Colleges generally making a muck of the on-campus legal reviews.

Thanks for this. I have a teen with special needs and am struggling with the idea of letting him go far away without our supervision.

Definitely look for an institution with a strong ODS office. There are a number of books that can help you evaluate that but one quick way is to see how many employees work in the ODS office commpared to total number of students on campus. A lot of colleges make promises about accommodation but fail, especially when dealing with a professor who won't comply with the program set out by ODS. From day one we were involved in one child's meetings (and she was 17 but emotionally 12) with ODS to establish what supports the university would give and what they would not. There were several times when DD's self-advocacy with a professor didn't work and we had to ask for a meeting. Some professors were so rude they wouldn't even listen long enough to hear the "We have a FERPA waiver" before saying "I won't talk to parents" and hanging up. which is where, unfortunately, you have to get ODS involved. So, yes, if you have a SN kids, read up on FERPA waivers. It's very easy to do but you have to be aware of them. The first time I ever encountered one of these issues was when a relative had a DD at an elite SLAC you would know the name of. She just stopped attending classes and flunked first term grades. Her parents, who were paying $60K+ a year were never notified. She was not special needs. So FERPA waivers were an understood rule in our family if we are paying for the education. Also, if my DS has been accused of sexual assault, I want to know immediately so I can hire the best lawyer for him and try to get the mess away from a campus tribunal. Early intervention in something like that is key. Fortunately, that has never come up, but it can.

Keep in mind too that the school won't NOTIFY you if you have a FERPA waiver, but you can call and ask for the information with a FERPA waiver. The school isn't calling or sending any parents attendance records, and professors don't know who signed a FERPA waiver or not so they shouldn't talk to parents unless they've been informed by the appropriate office that they can.

It's insane that if my child does not attend class for 2 weeks nobody is called. If a professor (who I assume is an adult) did not show up, somebody would be called. If they could not find the person the police would be notified.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So at what age should an institution of higher education cut the cord for the parents who are too clingy to do it themselves or who were too lax in preparing their child for adulthood?

You don’t think the college should tell parents your 18 yo freshman was popped for drugs or drinking or found passed out in a hallway? What about passed out 3 times? What about rapes? You prefer they control everything—because when they control KIDS they have a track record of doing what’s best for the U, not your kid.

You have missed the point entirely. he school is not in control - the 18 yo adult is in control, and gets to decide who is told his or her personal information. As a PP stated, there are federal laws that govern this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We just dropped off our oldest at college that is a plane ride away. My spouse and I entered into the agreement to pay his tuition without any expectation of the university reporting his status. He turned 18 this summer. We’ve worked really hard to teach him to make good choices and how to get out of rough situations. Now we need to let go. It’s not easy. But damn if I’m going to manage this kid for the rest of my life. T

Straw man. Nobody said anything about micro managing. OP discussed when teen is in trouble. A parent SHOULD be notified of a teen freshman is sexually assaulted or caught with drugs in dorm or in the hospital for alcohol poisoning. The secrecy WHEN YOUR CHILD IS IN DANGER is alarming.

+1 Well said. I would have wanted MY parents notified for any of your examples, PP, so it is completely realistic to me that my child would want US notified.

Then your child can call or txt you. No one else is allowed to do so without your adult child's express permission.

You want a schizophrenic person to call their parent? You realize how stupid that sounds right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So at what age should an institution of higher education cut the cord for the parents who are too clingy to do it themselves or who were too lax in preparing their child for adulthood?

You don’t think the college should tell parents your 18 yo freshman was popped for drugs or drinking or found passed out in a hallway? What about passed out 3 times? What about rapes? You prefer they control everything—because when they control KIDS they have a track record of doing what’s best for the U, not your kid.

You have missed the point entirely. he school is not in control - the 18 yo adult is in control, and gets to decide who is told his or her personal information. As a PP stated, there are federal laws that govern this.

Weird, what federal law prevents somebody from calling someone because they are concerned about them.

We just had HR call a family member when a coworker was having a nervous breakdown.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We just dropped off our oldest at college that is a plane ride away. My spouse and I entered into the agreement to pay his tuition without any expectation of the university reporting his status. He turned 18 this summer. We’ve worked really hard to teach him to make good choices and how to get out of rough situations. Now we need to let go. It’s not easy. But damn if I’m going to manage this kid for the rest of my life. T

Straw man. Nobody said anything about micro managing. OP discussed when teen is in trouble. A parent SHOULD be notified of a teen freshman is sexually assaulted or caught with drugs in dorm or in the hospital for alcohol poisoning. The secrecy WHEN YOUR CHILD IS IN DANGER is alarming.

+1 Well said. I would have wanted MY parents notified for any of your examples, PP, so it is completely realistic to me that my child would want US notified.

Sure. And if your child (who is a legal adult) wants you notified, he or she can do it, or ask a friend to do it. But that's different that the school doing it on its own. Surely you see the difference?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These straw men comments are really low watt. We’re talking about 18 yo kids, not 25 or 30 yo. Most college sexual assaults are girls 18 and 19. Most dropouts are first or second year. Most hospital visits. It’s the prime age when drug addiction and alcoholism arises.

It's seems like your real complaint is with the age of majority. Perhaps you should work to change that, rather than complaining about the conduct of universities that complies with federal law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These straw men comments are really low watt. We’re talking about 18 yo kids, not 25 or 30 yo. Most college sexual assaults are girls 18 and 19. Most dropouts are first or second year. Most hospital visits. It’s the prime age when drug addiction and alcoholism arises.

It's seems like your real complaint is with the age of majority. Perhaps you should work to change that, rather than complaining about the conduct of universities that complies with federal law.

What federal law forbids somebody from calling family when concerned about their behavior?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP. You will only get this type of notification if your 18+ child is attending a very small private LAC....i.e.,, Roanoke College, St. John's College. Even then, they don't technically have to tell you anything as your child is an adult. However, small private LACs tend to offer a more "TLC"approach.

If the student hasn’t signed a waiver it violates FERPA - a federal law.

Both of our children signed FERPA and HIPPA waivers as conditions of us paying 95% of the freight (didn't qualify for merit; didn't get more than min $5K loan from FAFSA). One is SN. You can't advocate with the Office of Disability Services (ODS) if you don't have a FERPA waiver. We wanted to be notified if either one of our children had a legal or health waiver. HAving those waivers is the only way to get it. Otherwise, you will wind up like a friend who didn't know her own son was flunking out of college until she accidentally tore open a letter from the college sent to the home (because he was supposed to be there - he had already been kicked out for bad grades - she didn't know). It's infuriating but the way Colleges want it to give them more control over situations on campus. It's especially important in the era of me-too and sexual assault allegations being tossed right and left and Colleges generally making a muck of the on-campus legal reviews.

Thanks for this. I have a teen with special needs and am struggling with the idea of letting him go far away without our supervision.

Definitely look for an institution with a strong ODS office. There are a number of books that can help you evaluate that but one quick way is to see how many employees work in the ODS office commpared to total number of students on campus. A lot of colleges make promises about accommodation but fail, especially when dealing with a professor who won't comply with the program set out by ODS. From day one we were involved in one child's meetings (and she was 17 but emotionally 12) with ODS to establish what supports the university would give and what they would not. There were several times when DD's self-advocacy with a professor didn't work and we had to ask for a meeting. Some professors were so rude they wouldn't even listen long enough to hear the "We have a FERPA waiver" before saying "I won't talk to parents" and hanging up. which is where, unfortunately, you have to get ODS involved. So, yes, if you have a SN kids, read up on FERPA waivers. It's very easy to do but you have to be aware of them. The first time I ever encountered one of these issues was when a relative had a DD at an elite SLAC you would know the name of. She just stopped attending classes and flunked first term grades. Her parents, who were paying $60K+ a year were never notified. She was not special needs. So FERPA waivers were an understood rule in our family if we are paying for the education. Also, if my DS has been accused of sexual assault, I want to know immediately so I can hire the best lawyer for him and try to get the mess away from a campus tribunal. Early intervention in something like that is key. Fortunately, that has never come up, but it can.

Keep in mind too that the school won't NOTIFY you if you have a FERPA waiver, but you can call and ask for the information with a FERPA waiver. The school isn't calling or sending any parents attendance records, and professors don't know who signed a FERPA waiver or not so they shouldn't talk to parents unless they've been informed by the appropriate office that they can.

It's insane that if my child does not attend class for 2 weeks nobody is called. If a professor (who I assume is an adult) did not show up, somebody would be called. If they could not find the person the police would be notified.

None of my college professors even took attendance, so they wouldn't have known if I missed 2 weeks of class or not. I have a relative who used to show up to the first day to collect the syllabus, and then on test days only - he always set the curve for the class so clearly didn't need to sit through it.