Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?

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Anonymous wrote:It's possible to acknowledge that from an ROI perspective, there are many great schools on par with ivies that cost a lot less. This is especially true for undergraduate education, which is the whole ball of wax.

But it's always amusing to read the responses from people shelling out the price of a house for their snowflake's education and then sniff that say, "sure, they're perfectly fine but Hahvahd is bettah." At the margins, maybe it is, but a decade down the road, it's very possible the Public Ivy grad is out-earning the snowflake and, as a bonus, probably living a more full life.

1. Yes it's possible that the PI grad is earning more but which have more opportunities/easier time respectively? Also PI grads in engineering etc are always going to out earn those in other careers. I know coders that earn more than any supreme court justice. "Full Life", well I don't know how you measure that. I have an "off the grid" family member who feels his life is full.

2. Many people feel ROI is a stupid way to value education. A CC accounting degree has the best ROI, so just get that, right?

3. Your use of the term "snowflake" shows that you are an ass and no one should take any of your points seriously.

Correct on all points but especially the bolded.

ROI is not a stupid way to value education when you are comparing, for example, two colleges in the top 25. No one is using ROI to compare Harvard to a community college. That would be stupid. ROI would be a valid consideration for UVA or UCLA in state versus Harvard or Yale.

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It’s not a real thing. “Ivy League” is just a sports conference.

Aaaaannnndddd... it was only a matter of time before this idiot showed up.

We’ve gone through this before and always come back to....in reality, it’s just a sports conference. People may perceive that it’s more than that but that perception is just based on manufactured hype. Not reality.

YOU have come back to it, because YOU won't listen, even though facts are presented showing that the schools do many academic things in concert which have nothing to do with their games. Such as, they all release admissions decisions the same day. They also meet every year to discuss admissions and share EA/ED information. And many more things.

But much more importantly, is what the phrase "ivy league" MEANS. It has a meaning to most of the world - a collection of some of the most elite colleges in the country.

And that won't change, no matter how many times you whine "the ivy league is just a sports conference".

Common admission dates and scholarship guidelines are things that the various college sports conferences do. To keep things fair in sports recruiting.

The phrase has MEANING different from reality. It’s really just a sports league.

Here’s the handbook. It all ties back to sports.
http://ivyserver.princeton.edu/ivy/downloads/manuals/Ivymanual2011-12%20copy.pdf

DP. Reality is that most people with common sense know people go to Ivy leave colleges for the academics. People aren't spending $70,000 or 80,000 a year to send their kids to those schools for the sports. But carry on with the craziness.

Individually, they are great schools with their own real merits. Not from a label.

If you are trying to go to an "Ivy" just because it's an "Ivy" then you're doing it wrong.

Yes 100%, but that's a very different point than the ridiculous "It's just a sports conference" meme.

No, it's exactly the same point. They are all different and great in their own way -- and tied together by a sports conference. That is really the only "real" thing linking these schools.

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Look up what Harvey Manssfield ( a long time Harvard professor) has to say about its academic standards. The Ivy’s used to produce great witers, orators, and statesmen(Frost, Calhoun, Adams) What do they produ now? Idiots like Bush, Hillary, Obama, Trump, Cruz etc

LOL. Old turdy losers are funny.

A man with degrees from Harvard, military service, countless academic articles to his name, several important books to his name, and a longtime tenured professorship at Harvard has no doubt made a more important contribution to society than you could make in a million years, right?

Uh...I was referring to the PP, not the professor.

Well the PP and the professor have the same views regarding the low academic standards of the Ivy League

And you have given no answer to the legitimate points he and Mansfield make. Now that’s funny

And "cranky grandpa" made a funny post. Barely legible. Irrelevant point. Out of touch with reality. Funny. Haha.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's possible to acknowledge that from an ROI perspective, there are many great schools on par with ivies that cost a lot less. This is especially true for undergraduate education, which is the whole ball of wax.

But it's always amusing to read the responses from people shelling out the price of a house for their snowflake's education and then sniff that say, "sure, they're perfectly fine but Hahvahd is bettah." At the margins, maybe it is, but a decade down the road, it's very possible the Public Ivy grad is out-earning the snowflake and, as a bonus, probably living a more full life.

1. Yes it's possible that the PI grad is earning more but which have more opportunities/easier time respectively? Also PI grads in engineering etc are always going to out earn those in other careers. I know coders that earn more than any supreme court justice. "Full Life", well I don't know how you measure that. I have an "off the grid" family member who feels his life is full.

2. Many people feel ROI is a stupid way to value education. A CC accounting degree has the best ROI, so just get that, right?

3. Your use of the term "snowflake" shows that you are an ass and no one should take any of your points seriously.

Correct on all points but especially the bolded.

ROI is not a stupid way to value education when you are comparing, for example, two colleges in the top 25. No one is using ROI to compare Harvard to a community college. That would be stupid. ROI would be a valid consideration for UVA or UCLA in state versus Harvard or Yale.

If you think of college as a pre-professional trade school, perhaps. But that's a very limited view of the college experience.

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Look up what Harvey Manssfield ( a long time Harvard professor) has to say about its academic standards. The Ivy’s used to produce great witers, orators, and statesmen(Frost, Calhoun, Adams) What do they produ now? Idiots like Bush, Hillary, Obama, Trump, Cruz etc

LOL. Old turdy losers are funny.

A man with degrees from Harvard, military service, countless academic articles to his name, several important books to his name, and a longtime tenured professorship at Harvard has no doubt made a more important contribution to society than you could make in a million years, right?

Uh...I was referring to the PP, not the professor.

Well the PP and the professor have the same views regarding the low academic standards of the Ivy League

And you have given no answer to the legitimate points he and Mansfield make. Now that’s funny

And "cranky grandpa" made a funny post. Barely legible. Irrelevant point. Out of touch with reality. Funny. Haha.

Still waiting on a legitimate point. Relevant would be great too but I won't hold my breath.

[Anonymous]

What about Up and Coming schools? I feel like George Mason has been talked about that way for 30 years.

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Anonymous wrote:It's possible to acknowledge that from an ROI perspective, there are many great schools on par with ivies that cost a lot less. This is especially true for undergraduate education, which is the whole ball of wax.

But it's always amusing to read the responses from people shelling out the price of a house for their snowflake's education and then sniff that say, "sure, they're perfectly fine but Hahvahd is bettah." At the margins, maybe it is, but a decade down the road, it's very possible the Public Ivy grad is out-earning the snowflake and, as a bonus, probably living a more full life.

1. Yes it's possible that the PI grad is earning more but which have more opportunities/easier time respectively? Also PI grads in engineering etc are always going to out earn those in other careers. I know coders that earn more than any supreme court justice. "Full Life", well I don't know how you measure that. I have an "off the grid" family member who feels his life is full.

2. Many people feel ROI is a stupid way to value education. A CC accounting degree has the best ROI, so just get that, right?

3. Your use of the term "snowflake" shows that you are an ass and no one should take any of your points seriously.

Correct on all points but especially the bolded.

ROI is not a stupid way to value education when you are comparing, for example, two colleges in the top 25. No one is using ROI to compare Harvard to a community college. That would be stupid. ROI would be a valid consideration for UVA or UCLA in state versus Harvard or Yale.

OK so it's stupid when you think it is and not stupid when you don't think it is. Got it. Makes sense.

[Anonymous]

I went to Binghamton and it was referred to as the "Ivy of the SUNY system", but it was said as a joke. People waited to get off of the Cornell waitlist for years!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I went to Binghamton and it was referred to as the "Ivy of the SUNY system", but it was said as a joke. People waited to get off of the Cornell waitlist for years!

Cornell is called SUNY Ithaca. Which is kinda true.

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*snort*

Cornell

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Anonymous wrote:I went to Binghamton and it was referred to as the "Ivy of the SUNY system", but it was said as a joke. People waited to get off of the Cornell waitlist for years!

Cornell is called SUNY Ithaca. Which is kinda true.

Because Ithaca is known for it's academics???

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I went to Binghamton and it was referred to as the "Ivy of the SUNY system", but it was said as a joke. People waited to get off of the Cornell waitlist for years!

Cornell is called SUNY Ithaca. Which is kinda true.

Because Ithaca is known for it's academics???

SUNY Binghamton
SUNY Geneseo
SUNY New Paltz
SUNY Ithaca
Etc

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I went to Binghamton and it was referred to as the "Ivy of the SUNY system", but it was said as a joke. People waited to get off of the Cornell waitlist for years!

Cornell is called SUNY Ithaca. Which is kinda true.

Because Ithaca is known for it's academics???

Amusing to see people who would have no chance of getting admitted to Cornell dissing it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I went to Binghamton and it was referred to as the "Ivy of the SUNY system", but it was said as a joke. People waited to get off of the Cornell waitlist for years!

Cornell is called SUNY Ithaca. Which is kinda true.

Because Ithaca is known for it's academics???

SUNY Binghamton
SUNY Geneseo
SUNY New Paltz
SUNY Ithaca
Etc

Ithaca isn't a SUNY school. It's private. Are you saying that because Cornell is in Ithaca? If so, it doesn't really work. I've never heard it referred to as that, I think you made it up. I am the PP about Binghamton, and if people referred to Cornell as SUNY Ithaca, I would know.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to Binghamton and it was referred to as the "Ivy of the SUNY system", but it was said as a joke. People waited to get off of the Cornell waitlist for years!

Cornell is called SUNY Ithaca. Which is kinda true.

Because Ithaca is known for it's academics???

SUNY Binghamton
SUNY Geneseo
SUNY New Paltz
SUNY Ithaca
Etc

Ithaca isn't a SUNY school. It's private. Are you saying that because Cornell is in Ithaca? If so, it doesn't really work. I've never heard it referred to as that, I think you made it up. I am the PP about Binghamton, and if people referred to Cornell as SUNY Ithaca, I would know.

I don't understand the confusion with Ithaca College. I wrote "Cornell is called SUNY Ithaca". I've definitely heard it myself and even think it's kinda true.

SUNY does:
https://www.suny.edu/attend/visit-us/complete-campus-list/