Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?

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Look up what Harvey Manssfield ( a long time Harvard professor) has to say about its academic standards. The Ivy’s used to produce great witers, orators, and statesmen(Frost, Calhoun, Adams) What do they produ now? Idiots like Bush, Hillary, Obama, Trump, Cruz etc

LOL. Old turdy losers are funny.

A man with degrees from Harvard, military service, countless academic articles to his name, several important books to his name, and a longtime tenured professorship at Harvard has no doubt made a more important contribution to society than you could make in a million years, right?

Uh...I was referring to the PP, not the professor.

Yeah man.

[Anonymous]

The one thing these threads are good for is bringing out the fools who love to remind everyone at every opportunity they "went to school in Boston."

As has previously been stated, the "Public Ivy" designation is really a value comparison. It's possible to acknowledge that from an ROI perspective, there are many great schools on par with ivies that cost a lot less. This is especially true for undergraduate education, which is the whole ball of wax.

But it's always amusing to read the responses from people shelling out the price of a house for their snowflake's education and then sniff that say, "sure, they're perfectly fine but Hahvahd is bettah." At the margins, maybe it is, but a decade down the road, it's very possible the Public Ivy grad is out-earning the snowflake and, as a bonus, probably living a more full life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Look up what Harvey Manssfield ( a long time Harvard professor) has to say about its academic standards. The Ivy’s used to produce great witers, orators, and statesmen(Frost, Calhoun, Adams) What do they produ now? Idiots like Bush, Hillary, Obama, Trump, Cruz etc

LOL. Old turdy losers are funny.

A man with degrees from Harvard, military service, countless academic articles to his name, several important books to his name, and a longtime tenured professorship at Harvard has no doubt made a more important contribution to society than you could make in a million years, right?

Uh...I was referring to the PP, not the professor.

Well the PP and the professor have the same views regarding the low academic standards of the Ivy League

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wahoo here. We roll our eyes at people who say it. We are fine with being a public school. People who have to say “public ivy” obviously think there something wrong with just being a good public school.

No, sorry, “We” don’t all roll our eyes at it.

UVM = UVA. Congrats. Heady company.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I found this humorous but was chatting with another parent and after I revealed my daughter is going to Cornell she said "that's wonderful, my son is going to an ivy too!". I said "that's great, which one?" and she said "UNC, chapel Hill". I said "I'm sorry that's not ivy league"and she retorted "yes it is, it's a public ivy".

I'm sorry but isn't there only one ivy league? My child worked incredibly hard to get into an ivy I frankly think it's rude to misrepresent and say that UNC is ivy league - even though it is a great school.

You're an ass. Even if you disagree with the person, there was no need to be a schmuck. The person may be clueless, but how is it rude? Sorry you're offended because you think someone is trying to be "rude" and diminish your child's specialness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's possible to acknowledge that from an ROI perspective, there are many great schools on par with ivies that cost a lot less. This is especially true for undergraduate education, which is the whole ball of wax.

But it's always amusing to read the responses from people shelling out the price of a house for their snowflake's education and then sniff that say, "sure, they're perfectly fine but Hahvahd is bettah." At the margins, maybe it is, but a decade down the road, it's very possible the Public Ivy grad is out-earning the snowflake and, as a bonus, probably living a more full life.

1. Yes it's possible that the PI grad is earning more but which have more opportunities/easier time respectively? Also PI grads in engineering etc are always going to out earn those in other careers. I know coders that earn more than any supreme court justice. "Full Life", well I don't know how you measure that. I have an "off the grid" family member who feels his life is full.

2. Many people feel ROI is a stupid way to value education. A CC accounting degree has the best ROI, so just get that, right?

3. Your use of the term "snowflake" shows that you are an ass and no one should take any of your points seriously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP you were bragging and she one upped you. Public Ivy is a thing but most people don’t say it. They just think it. Public Ivy’s are: UNC, UVA, Berkeley, W&M and a couple of others.

+1 Our UVA tour guide mentioned it when I visited. It’s a thing, but that doesn’t mean I would ever talk about it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP you were bragging and she one upped you. Public Ivy is a thing but most people don’t say it. They just think it. Public Ivy’s are: UNC, UVA, Berkeley, W&M and a couple of others.

+1 Our UVA tour guide mentioned it when I visited. It’s a thing, but that doesn’t mean I would ever talk about it.

Note the “couple of others” usage. Convenient.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The one thing these threads are good for is bringing out the fools who love to remind everyone at every opportunity they "went to school in Boston."

As has previously been stated, the "Public Ivy" designation is really a value comparison. It's possible to acknowledge that from an ROI perspective, there are many great schools on par with ivies that cost a lot less. This is especially true for undergraduate education, which is the whole ball of wax.

But it's always amusing to read the responses from people shelling out the price of a house for their snowflake's education and then sniff that say, "sure, they're perfectly fine but Hahvahd is bettah." At the margins, maybe it is, but a decade down the road, it's very possible the Public Ivy grad is out-earning the snowflake and, as a bonus, probably living a more full life.

So then you just say "top public schools" or "public schools in top 10" - why refer to a sports conference?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Look up what Harvey Manssfield ( a long time Harvard professor) has to say about its academic standards. The Ivy’s used to produce great witers, orators, and statesmen(Frost, Calhoun, Adams) What do they produ now? Idiots like Bush, Hillary, Obama, Trump, Cruz etc

LOL. Old turdy losers are funny.

A man with degrees from Harvard, military service, countless academic articles to his name, several important books to his name, and a longtime tenured professorship at Harvard has no doubt made a more important contribution to society than you could make in a million years, right?

Uh...I was referring to the PP, not the professor.

Well the PP and the professor have the same views regarding the low academic standards of the Ivy League

And "cranky grandpa" made a funny post. Barely legible. Irrelevant point. Out of touch with reality. Funny. Haha.

[Anonymous]

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It’s not a real thing. “Ivy League” is just a sports conference.

Aaaaannnndddd... it was only a matter of time before this idiot showed up.

We’ve gone through this before and always come back to....in reality, it’s just a sports conference. People may perceive that it’s more than that but that perception is just based on manufactured hype. Not reality.

YOU have come back to it, because YOU won't listen, even though facts are presented showing that the schools do many academic things in concert which have nothing to do with their games. Such as, they all release admissions decisions the same day. They also meet every year to discuss admissions and share EA/ED information. And many more things.

But much more importantly, is what the phrase "ivy league" MEANS. It has a meaning to most of the world - a collection of some of the most elite colleges in the country.

And that won't change, no matter how many times you whine "the ivy league is just a sports conference".

Common admission dates and scholarship guidelines are things that the various college sports conferences do. To keep things fair in sports recruiting.

The phrase has MEANING different from reality. It’s really just a sports league.

Here’s the handbook. It all ties back to sports.
http://ivyserver.princeton.edu/ivy/downloads/manuals/Ivymanual2011-12%20copy.pdf

DP. Reality is that most people with common sense know people go to Ivy leave colleges for the academics. People aren't spending $70,000 or 80,000 a year to send their kids to those schools for the sports. But carry on with the craziness.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's possible to acknowledge that from an ROI perspective, there are many great schools on par with ivies that cost a lot less. This is especially true for undergraduate education, which is the whole ball of wax.

But it's always amusing to read the responses from people shelling out the price of a house for their snowflake's education and then sniff that say, "sure, they're perfectly fine but Hahvahd is bettah." At the margins, maybe it is, but a decade down the road, it's very possible the Public Ivy grad is out-earning the snowflake and, as a bonus, probably living a more full life.

1. Yes it's possible that the PI grad is earning more but which have more opportunities/easier time respectively? Also PI grads in engineering etc are always going to out earn those in other careers. I know coders that earn more than any supreme court justice. "Full Life", well I don't know how you measure that. I have an "off the grid" family member who feels his life is full.

2. Many people feel ROI is a stupid way to value education. A CC accounting degree has the best ROI, so just get that, right?

3. Your use of the term "snowflake" shows that you are an ass and no one should take any of your points seriously.

Correct on all points but especially the bolded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
It’s not a real thing. “Ivy League” is just a sports conference.

Aaaaannnndddd... it was only a matter of time before this idiot showed up.

We’ve gone through this before and always come back to....in reality, it’s just a sports conference. People may perceive that it’s more than that but that perception is just based on manufactured hype. Not reality.

YOU have come back to it, because YOU won't listen, even though facts are presented showing that the schools do many academic things in concert which have nothing to do with their games. Such as, they all release admissions decisions the same day. They also meet every year to discuss admissions and share EA/ED information. And many more things.

But much more importantly, is what the phrase "ivy league" MEANS. It has a meaning to most of the world - a collection of some of the most elite colleges in the country.

And that won't change, no matter how many times you whine "the ivy league is just a sports conference".

Common admission dates and scholarship guidelines are things that the various college sports conferences do. To keep things fair in sports recruiting.

The phrase has MEANING different from reality. It’s really just a sports league.

Here’s the handbook. It all ties back to sports.
http://ivyserver.princeton.edu/ivy/downloads/manuals/Ivymanual2011-12%20copy.pdf

DP. Reality is that most people with common sense know people go to Ivy leave colleges for the academics. People aren't spending $70,000 or 80,000 a year to send their kids to those schools for the sports. But carry on with the craziness.

Individually, they are great schools with their own real merits. Not from a label.

If you are trying to go to an "Ivy" just because it's an "Ivy" then you're doing it wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
It’s not a real thing. “Ivy League” is just a sports conference.

Aaaaannnndddd... it was only a matter of time before this idiot showed up.

We’ve gone through this before and always come back to....in reality, it’s just a sports conference. People may perceive that it’s more than that but that perception is just based on manufactured hype. Not reality.

YOU have come back to it, because YOU won't listen, even though facts are presented showing that the schools do many academic things in concert which have nothing to do with their games. Such as, they all release admissions decisions the same day. They also meet every year to discuss admissions and share EA/ED information. And many more things.

But much more importantly, is what the phrase "ivy league" MEANS. It has a meaning to most of the world - a collection of some of the most elite colleges in the country.

And that won't change, no matter how many times you whine "the ivy league is just a sports conference".

Common admission dates and scholarship guidelines are things that the various college sports conferences do. To keep things fair in sports recruiting.

The phrase has MEANING different from reality. It’s really just a sports league.

Here’s the handbook. It all ties back to sports.
http://ivyserver.princeton.edu/ivy/downloads/manuals/Ivymanual2011-12%20copy.pdf

DP. Reality is that most people with common sense know people go to Ivy leave colleges for the academics. People aren't spending $70,000 or 80,000 a year to send their kids to those schools for the sports. But carry on with the craziness.

Individually, they are great schools with their own real merits. Not from a label.

If you are trying to go to an "Ivy" just because it's an "Ivy" then you're doing it wrong.

Yes 100%, but that's a very different point than the ridiculous "It's just a sports conference" meme.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's possible to acknowledge that from an ROI perspective, there are many great schools on par with ivies that cost a lot less. This is especially true for undergraduate education, which is the whole ball of wax.

But it's always amusing to read the responses from people shelling out the price of a house for their snowflake's education and then sniff that say, "sure, they're perfectly fine but Hahvahd is bettah." At the margins, maybe it is, but a decade down the road, it's very possible the Public Ivy grad is out-earning the snowflake and, as a bonus, probably living a more full life.

1. Yes it's possible that the PI grad is earning more but which have more opportunities/easier time respectively? Also PI grads in engineering etc are always going to out earn those in other careers. I know coders that earn more than any supreme court justice. "Full Life", well I don't know how you measure that. I have an "off the grid" family member who feels his life is full.

2. Many people feel ROI is a stupid way to value education. A CC accounting degree has the best ROI, so just get that, right?

3. Your use of the term "snowflake" shows that you are an ass and no one should take any of your points seriously.

Correct on all points but especially the bolded.

Thank you!