APS Sinking Ship

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why does APS attract so few Asians and why is the achievement gap in APS so great? APS never grapples with this so long as white kids from higher income families do OK. It’s a mediocre system that takes credit for the few home runs scored by kids who started out on third base and overlooks everyone else.

I have wondered this too. I think it's because Fairfax generally has a stronger reputation for higher perf students with the gifted centers and Thomas Jefferson HS. I mean, the APS Super just proposed eliminating access to TJ in our last round of budget negotiations. It didn't happen but the fact that it was even on the table shows where APS's priorities lie.

APS has instead put its resources into Arlington Tech which they are trying to dress up, but it is always going to be associated with the career center/vocational education/community college partnerships. It's a good and needed program, but again this is what Arlington chose to do instead of TJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Why does APS attract so few Asians and why is the achievement gap in APS so great? APS never grapples with this so long as white kids from higher income families do OK. It’s a mediocre system that takes credit for the few home runs scored by kids who started out on third base and overlooks everyone else.



If we’re dealing in stereotypes, then I’d say it’s because Asian families are wealthy and prefer to live closer to work in large newer homes along the tech corridor stretching out past Dulles. The achievement gap is so great because the lower income students are mostly 1st or 2nd gen immigrants and there are language an cultural challenges, in addition to those associated with poverty. Generally, it’s already apparent to me that APS cares more about inclusivity than student performance; the gifted program is kinda fake, tons of resources are thrown at ESOL, etc.

Guess that's why they just got sued///

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Why does APS attract so few Asians and why is the achievement gap in APS so great? APS never grapples with this so long as white kids from higher income families do OK. It’s a mediocre system that takes credit for the few home runs scored by kids who started out on third base and overlooks everyone else.



If we’re dealing in stereotypes, then I’d say it’s because Asian families are wealthy and prefer to live closer to work in large newer homes along the tech corridor stretching out past Dulles. The achievement gap is so great because the lower income students are mostly 1st or 2nd gen immigrants and there are language an cultural challenges, in addition to those associated with poverty. Generally, it’s already apparent to me that APS cares more about inclusivity than student performance; the gifted program is kinda fake, tons of resources are thrown at ESOL, etc.

Guess that's why they just got sued///

They got sued because good enough is never good enough. You can look up the budget docs yourself and see how much we spend on ESOL per school.

[Anonymous]

All the money in the world won’t solve the problem. You want ELL students to catch up? F*cking integrate them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All the money in the world won’t solve the problem. You want ELL students to catch up? F*cking integrate them.

Please describe what that would entail and how it differs from current practice.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All the money in the world won’t solve the problem. You want ELL students to catch up? F*cking integrate them.

Please describe what that would entail and how it differs from current practice.

You mean the current practice of half our schools with almost no ELL students and the half with almost entire schools of ELL? That practice?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All the money in the world won’t solve the problem. You want ELL students to catch up? F*cking integrate them.

Please describe what that would entail and how it differs from current practice.

You mean the current practice of half our schools with almost no ELL students and the half with almost entire schools of ELL? That practice?

I live in SA. What do you propose?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All the money in the world won’t solve the problem. You want ELL students to catch up? F*cking integrate them.

Please describe what that would entail and how it differs from current practice.

You mean the current practice of half our schools with almost no ELL students and the half with almost entire schools of ELL? That practice?

I live in SA. What do you propose?

Immersion in south Arlington. All across south Arlington. Shutting down Randolph, Carlin Springs, and Barcroft as neighborhood schools. Make them choice and try to entice middle class families to buy in.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the money in the world won’t solve the problem. You want ELL students to catch up? F*cking integrate them.

Please describe what that would entail and how it differs from current practice.

You mean the current practice of half our schools with almost no ELL students and the half with almost entire schools of ELL? That practice?

I live in SA. What do you propose?

Immersion in south Arlington. All across south Arlington. Shutting down Randolph, Carlin Springs, and Barcroft as neighborhood schools. Make them choice and try to entice middle class families to buy in.

While these schools are not over capacity they are close to capacity. If you really wanted only 50 percent English language learners you would need to move some of those kids to other schools. Where would you put them?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the money in the world won’t solve the problem. You want ELL students to catch up? F*cking integrate them.

Please describe what that would entail and how it differs from current practice.

You mean the current practice of half our schools with almost no ELL students and the half with almost entire schools of ELL? That practice?

I live in SA. What do you propose?

Immersion in south Arlington. All across south Arlington. Shutting down Randolph, Carlin Springs, and Barcroft as neighborhood schools. Make them choice and try to entice middle class families to buy in.

While these schools are not over capacity they are close to capacity. If you really wanted only 50 percent English language learners you would need to move some of those kids to other schools. Where would you put them?

They would need to go to the vacated seats of middle class kids in north Arlington.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the money in the world won’t solve the problem. You want ELL students to catch up? F*cking integrate them.

Please describe what that would entail and how it differs from current practice.

You mean the current practice of half our schools with almost no ELL students and the half with almost entire schools of ELL? That practice?

I live in SA. What do you propose?

Immersion in south Arlington. All across south Arlington. Shutting down Randolph, Carlin Springs, and Barcroft as neighborhood schools. Make them choice and try to entice middle class families to buy in.

While these schools are not over capacity they are close to capacity. If you really wanted only 50 percent English language learners you would need to move some of those kids to other schools. Where would you put them?

They would need to go to the vacated seats of middle class kids in north Arlington.

And are the parents of English language learner students in favor of this busing? I don’t think there’s a lot of support out there for that level of integration, as good as it might be for student outcomes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All the money in the world won’t solve the problem. You want ELL students to catch up? F*cking integrate them.

Please describe what that would entail and how it differs from current practice.

You mean the current practice of half our schools with almost no ELL students and the half with almost entire schools of ELL? That practice?

I live in SA. What do you propose?

Immersion in south Arlington. All across south Arlington. Shutting down Randolph, Carlin Springs, and Barcroft as neighborhood schools. Make them choice and try to entice middle class families to buy in.

While these schools are not over capacity they are close to capacity. If you really wanted only 50 percent English language learners you would need to move some of those kids to other schools. Where would you put them?

They would need to go to the vacated seats of middle class kids in north Arlington.

And are the parents of English language learner students in favor of this busing? I don’t think there’s a lot of support out there for that level of integration, as good as it might be for student outcomes.

Oh, there’s no support. I never said there was support. Whatever. Their kids. Their problems I guess.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All the money in the world won’t solve the problem. You want ELL students to catch up? F*cking integrate them.

Please describe what that would entail and how it differs from current practice.

You mean the current practice of half our schools with almost no ELL students and the half with almost entire schools of ELL? That practice?

I live in SA. What do you propose?

Immersion in south Arlington. All across south Arlington. Shutting down Randolph, Carlin Springs, and Barcroft as neighborhood schools. Make them choice and try to entice middle class families to buy in.

While these schools are not over capacity they are close to capacity. If you really wanted only 50 percent English language learners you would need to move some of those kids to other schools. Where would you put them?

They would need to go to the vacated seats of middle class kids in north Arlington.

And are the parents of English language learner students in favor of this busing? I don’t think there’s a lot of support out there for that level of integration, as good as it might be for student outcomes.

Everyone is fine with the current situation except for people who bought SFH zoned to Drew, Barcroft, Randolph, and Carlin Springs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the money in the world won’t solve the problem. You want ELL students to catch up? F*cking integrate them.

Please describe what that would entail and how it differs from current practice.

You mean the current practice of half our schools with almost no ELL students and the half with almost entire schools of ELL? That practice?

I live in SA. What do you propose?

Immersion in south Arlington. All across south Arlington. Shutting down Randolph, Carlin Springs, and Barcroft as neighborhood schools. Make them choice and try to entice middle class families to buy in.

While these schools are not over capacity they are close to capacity. If you really wanted only 50 percent English language learners you would need to move some of those kids to other schools. Where would you put them?

They would need to go to the vacated seats of middle class kids in north Arlington.

And are the parents of English language learner students in favor of this busing? I don’t think there’s a lot of support out there for that level of integration, as good as it might be for student outcomes.

Everyone is fine with the current situation except for people who bought SFH zoned to Drew, Barcroft, Randolph, and Carlin Springs.

This is true, but it doesn’t mean the majority of kids at those schools are getting what they need.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the money in the world won’t solve the problem. You want ELL students to catch up? F*cking integrate them.

Please describe what that would entail and how it differs from current practice.

You mean the current practice of half our schools with almost no ELL students and the half with almost entire schools of ELL? That practice?

I live in SA. What do you propose?

Immersion in south Arlington. All across south Arlington. Shutting down Randolph, Carlin Springs, and Barcroft as neighborhood schools. Make them choice and try to entice middle class families to buy in.

Wouldn’t it be simpler for you to just move?