APS Sinking Ship

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I have the same question about whether to stay in Arlington, But frankly I don't see many better options at the public level nearby. I value our quality of life (less traffic, shorter commute, most things nearby, close to DC, more time spent with family, walkable communities) too much to move to MoCo on FFX. We can't afford private, so we are just going to have to stick it out. There are some positives about APS even now, but yes, the situation is getting beyond worrisome.


Falls Church City or Vienna. Arlington is a slow motion train wreck.


Yeah, but NA is fine too. What are FCC and Vienna if not NA without SA? The real problem is that NA insists on imposing their moral vision on SA instead of letting it become like NA.

They are nice communities that have much better schools than NA, and have their own identities. You make it sound like they are NA wannabes, which they are not.

Of course they are. They’re small, expensive, cloistered communities. You have to have a lot of coin to buy a house in those places so of course the test scores and other metrics of “quality” which correlate to family income are off the charts. Even NA is diverse by comparison.

Nope. North Arlington is not diverse, and North Arlington north of Lee Highway (the Yorktown HS areas) is the whitest, least diverse part of NoVa.

APS has some highly ranked elementary schools. The middle schools don't shine as brightly, and the performance really falls off at the high school level. It's been that way for years, and certainly did not improve under Murphy.

BS. Yorktown, Madison, and George Mason are all about 65% white (Madison 66%). YT has 15% Hispanic (highest of the 3), and fewer Asian by about 3%.

So racial demographics are pretty identical.

Economically, Madison has 10% FARMS, Yorktown 13%, George Mason doesn’t report (or has 0% — anyone know the real deal)?

So no NA is not the whitest enclave.

Look at the elementary schools north of Lee Highway. Discovery = 72% white. Jamestown = 82% white. Nottingham = 75% white. Taylor = 76% white. Tuckahoe = 81% white. You just don't find that in other places. North NA is indeed the whitest enclave.

In fact, it may be part of the reason why Yorktown can't keep up with the top schools, as much as you'd like to pin that on the Hispanic population.

FFS, I see the game you are playing. Vienna is 85% White/Asian just like Jamestown is 85% white/Asian.

Now there are more FARMS in Vienna, which is not surprising b/c Jamestown is far from metro and job centers so remains low density.

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Anonymous wrote:NP here - totally agree that the building of more affordable units in SA has and is creating a real problem. Part of the problem, however, is that there are a lot of people in SA that like it that way.

Yes, people will spend 800k, or even a million for a house in SA. However, that money gets you a lot more than in NA, a heck of a lot more. And, those parents are not sending those kids to neighborhood schools. There are sever new builds and families in my SA neigborhood and none of those kids go to neighborhood. Every single one is at Claremont, Campbell or parochial. They are there long term or they move out before kids go to school.

It does not get you a “heck of a lot more”. There is approximately 150k difference in comps between north and south.

You get enough more that if you think all the public schools in the area are basically crappy, whether they are in NA or SA, you're going to choose SA and put your extra money towards private school.

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We can’t all go private.
There is literally not enough spaces for that either.
The region isn’t prepared to handle the current density, let alone more.
Of course education is going to suffer.
Everything is going to suffer.

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I have the same question about whether to stay in Arlington, But frankly I don't see many better options at the public level nearby. I value our quality of life (less traffic, shorter commute, most things nearby, close to DC, more time spent with family, walkable communities) too much to move to MoCo on FFX. We can't afford private, so we are just going to have to stick it out. There are some positives about APS even now, but yes, the situation is getting beyond worrisome.


Falls Church City or Vienna. Arlington is a slow motion train wreck.


Yeah, but NA is fine too. What are FCC and Vienna if not NA without SA? The real problem is that NA insists on imposing their moral vision on SA instead of letting it become like NA.

They are nice communities that have much better schools than NA, and have their own identities. You make it sound like they are NA wannabes, which they are not.

Of course they are. They’re small, expensive, cloistered communities. You have to have a lot of coin to buy a house in those places so of course the test scores and other metrics of “quality” which correlate to family income are off the charts. Even NA is diverse by comparison.

Nope. North Arlington is not diverse, and North Arlington north of Lee Highway (the Yorktown HS areas) is the whitest, least diverse part of NoVa.

APS has some highly ranked elementary schools. The middle schools don't shine as brightly, and the performance really falls off at the high school level. It's been that way for years, and certainly did not improve under Murphy.

BS. Yorktown, Madison, and George Mason are all about 65% white (Madison 66%). YT has 15% Hispanic (highest of the 3), and fewer Asian by about 3%.

So racial demographics are pretty identical.

Economically, Madison has 10% FARMS, Yorktown 13%, George Mason doesn’t report (or has 0% — anyone know the real deal)?

So no NA is not the whitest enclave.

The entire US is 77% white so a school that is 65% white is pretty diverse relatively speaking.

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I have the same question about whether to stay in Arlington, But frankly I don't see many better options at the public level nearby. I value our quality of life (less traffic, shorter commute, most things nearby, close to DC, more time spent with family, walkable communities) too much to move to MoCo on FFX. We can't afford private, so we are just going to have to stick it out. There are some positives about APS even now, but yes, the situation is getting beyond worrisome.


Falls Church City or Vienna. Arlington is a slow motion train wreck.


Yeah, but NA is fine too. What are FCC and Vienna if not NA without SA? The real problem is that NA insists on imposing their moral vision on SA instead of letting it become like NA.

They are nice communities that have much better schools than NA, and have their own identities. You make it sound like they are NA wannabes, which they are not.

Of course they are. They’re small, expensive, cloistered communities. You have to have a lot of coin to buy a house in those places so of course the test scores and other metrics of “quality” which correlate to family income are off the charts. Even NA is diverse by comparison.

Nope. North Arlington is not diverse, and North Arlington north of Lee Highway (the Yorktown HS areas) is the whitest, least diverse part of NoVa.

APS has some highly ranked elementary schools. The middle schools don't shine as brightly, and the performance really falls off at the high school level. It's been that way for years, and certainly did not improve under Murphy.

BS. Yorktown, Madison, and George Mason are all about 65% white (Madison 66%). YT has 15% Hispanic (highest of the 3), and fewer Asian by about 3%.

So racial demographics are pretty identical.

Economically, Madison has 10% FARMS, Yorktown 13%, George Mason doesn’t report (or has 0% — anyone know the real deal)?

So no NA is not the whitest enclave.

The entire US is 77% white so a school that is 65% white is pretty diverse relatively speaking.

Since the Hispanic population is broken out separately by APS you are comparing apples and oranges.

The entire US is 61% non-Hispanic white and that percentage undoubtedly would be lower for those under 18.

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I have the same question about whether to stay in Arlington, But frankly I don't see many better options at the public level nearby. I value our quality of life (less traffic, shorter commute, most things nearby, close to DC, more time spent with family, walkable communities) too much to move to MoCo on FFX. We can't afford private, so we are just going to have to stick it out. There are some positives about APS even now, but yes, the situation is getting beyond worrisome.


Falls Church City or Vienna. Arlington is a slow motion train wreck.


Yeah, but NA is fine too. What are FCC and Vienna if not NA without SA? The real problem is that NA insists on imposing their moral vision on SA instead of letting it become like NA.

They are nice communities that have much better schools than NA, and have their own identities. You make it sound like they are NA wannabes, which they are not.

Of course they are. They’re small, expensive, cloistered communities. You have to have a lot of coin to buy a house in those places so of course the test scores and other metrics of “quality” which correlate to family income are off the charts. Even NA is diverse by comparison.

Nope. North Arlington is not diverse, and North Arlington north of Lee Highway (the Yorktown HS areas) is the whitest, least diverse part of NoVa.

APS has some highly ranked elementary schools. The middle schools don't shine as brightly, and the performance really falls off at the high school level. It's been that way for years, and certainly did not improve under Murphy.

BS. Yorktown, Madison, and George Mason are all about 65% white (Madison 66%). YT has 15% Hispanic (highest of the 3), and fewer Asian by about 3%.

So racial demographics are pretty identical.

Economically, Madison has 10% FARMS, Yorktown 13%, George Mason doesn’t report (or has 0% — anyone know the real deal)?

So no NA is not the whitest enclave.

Is there a reason you’re not including Washington-lee hs? Which is arlingtons largest and in NA? On NORTH Stafford street? It’s 30 percent FRL and 45 percent nonhispanic white.

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I have the same question about whether to stay in Arlington, But frankly I don't see many better options at the public level nearby. I value our quality of life (less traffic, shorter commute, most things nearby, close to DC, more time spent with family, walkable communities) too much to move to MoCo on FFX. We can't afford private, so we are just going to have to stick it out. There are some positives about APS even now, but yes, the situation is getting beyond worrisome.


Falls Church City or Vienna. Arlington is a slow motion train wreck.


Yeah, but NA is fine too. What are FCC and Vienna if not NA without SA? The real problem is that NA insists on imposing their moral vision on SA instead of letting it become like NA.

They are nice communities that have much better schools than NA, and have their own identities. You make it sound like they are NA wannabes, which they are not.

Of course they are. They’re small, expensive, cloistered communities. You have to have a lot of coin to buy a house in those places so of course the test scores and other metrics of “quality” which correlate to family income are off the charts. Even NA is diverse by comparison.

Nope. North Arlington is not diverse, and North Arlington north of Lee Highway (the Yorktown HS areas) is the whitest, least diverse part of NoVa.

APS has some highly ranked elementary schools. The middle schools don't shine as brightly, and the performance really falls off at the high school level. It's been that way for years, and certainly did not improve under Murphy.

BS. Yorktown, Madison, and George Mason are all about 65% white (Madison 66%). YT has 15% Hispanic (highest of the 3), and fewer Asian by about 3%.

So racial demographics are pretty identical.

Economically, Madison has 10% FARMS, Yorktown 13%, George Mason doesn’t report (or has 0% — anyone know the real deal)?

So no NA is not the whitest enclave.

Is there a reason you’re not including Washington-lee hs? Which is arlingtons largest and in NA? On NORTH Stafford street? It’s 30 percent FRL and 45 percent nonhispanic white.

Oh i was just showing that even at the ‘whitest’ NA high school, it is less white than FCC and Vienna high schools. Once you consider WL, it’s clear NA is diverse. Though definitely more so below Lee Hwy.

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I have the same question about whether to stay in Arlington, But frankly I don't see many better options at the public level nearby. I value our quality of life (less traffic, shorter commute, most things nearby, close to DC, more time spent with family, walkable communities) too much to move to MoCo on FFX. We can't afford private, so we are just going to have to stick it out. There are some positives about APS even now, but yes, the situation is getting beyond worrisome.


Falls Church City or Vienna. Arlington is a slow motion train wreck.


Yeah, but NA is fine too. What are FCC and Vienna if not NA without SA? The real problem is that NA insists on imposing their moral vision on SA instead of letting it become like NA.

They are nice communities that have much better schools than NA, and have their own identities. You make it sound like they are NA wannabes, which they are not.

Of course they are. They’re small, expensive, cloistered communities. You have to have a lot of coin to buy a house in those places so of course the test scores and other metrics of “quality” which correlate to family income are off the charts. Even NA is diverse by comparison.

Nope. North Arlington is not diverse, and North Arlington north of Lee Highway (the Yorktown HS areas) is the whitest, least diverse part of NoVa.

APS has some highly ranked elementary schools. The middle schools don't shine as brightly, and the performance really falls off at the high school level. It's been that way for years, and certainly did not improve under Murphy.

BS. Yorktown, Madison, and George Mason are all about 65% white (Madison 66%). YT has 15% Hispanic (highest of the 3), and fewer Asian by about 3%.

So racial demographics are pretty identical.

Economically, Madison has 10% FARMS, Yorktown 13%, George Mason doesn’t report (or has 0% — anyone know the real deal)?

So no NA is not the whitest enclave.

Is there a reason you’re not including Washington-lee hs? Which is arlingtons largest and in NA? On NORTH Stafford street? It’s 30 percent FRL and 45 percent nonhispanic white.

Oh i was just showing that even at the ‘whitest’ NA high school, it is less white than FCC and Vienna high schools. Once you consider WL, it’s clear NA is diverse. Though definitely more so below Lee Hwy.

Some parts of NA are among the least diverse places in the country.

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I have the same question about whether to stay in Arlington, But frankly I don't see many better options at the public level nearby. I value our quality of life (less traffic, shorter commute, most things nearby, close to DC, more time spent with family, walkable communities) too much to move to MoCo on FFX. We can't afford private, so we are just going to have to stick it out. There are some positives about APS even now, but yes, the situation is getting beyond worrisome.


Falls Church City or Vienna. Arlington is a slow motion train wreck.


Yeah, but NA is fine too. What are FCC and Vienna if not NA without SA? The real problem is that NA insists on imposing their moral vision on SA instead of letting it become like NA.

They are nice communities that have much better schools than NA, and have their own identities. You make it sound like they are NA wannabes, which they are not.

Of course they are. They’re small, expensive, cloistered communities. You have to have a lot of coin to buy a house in those places so of course the test scores and other metrics of “quality” which correlate to family income are off the charts. Even NA is diverse by comparison.

Nope. North Arlington is not diverse, and North Arlington north of Lee Highway (the Yorktown HS areas) is the whitest, least diverse part of NoVa.

APS has some highly ranked elementary schools. The middle schools don't shine as brightly, and the performance really falls off at the high school level. It's been that way for years, and certainly did not improve under Murphy.

BS. Yorktown, Madison, and George Mason are all about 65% white (Madison 66%). YT has 15% Hispanic (highest of the 3), and fewer Asian by about 3%.

So racial demographics are pretty identical.

Economically, Madison has 10% FARMS, Yorktown 13%, George Mason doesn’t report (or has 0% — anyone know the real deal)?

So no NA is not the whitest enclave.

Is there a reason you’re not including Washington-lee hs? Which is arlingtons largest and in NA? On NORTH Stafford street? It’s 30 percent FRL and 45 percent nonhispanic white.

Oh i was just showing that even at the ‘whitest’ NA high school, it is less white than FCC and Vienna high schools. Once you consider WL, it’s clear NA is diverse. Though definitely more so below Lee Hwy.

Some parts of NA are among the least diverse places in the country.

Which part? We’re talking about one of the geographically smallest counties in the country so talking about parts of a part (NA) is getting pretty small. Like what? A one mile square area isn’t diverse? Who’da thunk? That’s true in most of the country.

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So the point here is to blame poor performance within APS on the demographics? That ship just went down some more.

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Anonymous wrote:So the point here is to blame poor performance within APS on the demographics? That ship just went down some more.

That’s true everywhere. The relationship between test performance is very strong.

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Anonymous wrote:So the point here is to blame poor performance within APS on the demographics? That ship just went down some more.

That’s true everywhere. The relationship between test performance and family income is very strong.

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Why does APS attract so few Asians and why is the achievement gap in APS so great? APS never grapples with this so long as white kids from higher income families do OK. It’s a mediocre system that takes credit for the few home runs scored by kids who started out on third base and overlooks everyone else.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does APS attract so few Asians and why is the achievement gap in APS so great? APS never grapples with this so long as white kids from higher income families do OK. It’s a mediocre system that takes credit for the few home runs scored by kids who started out on third base and overlooks everyone else.

If we’re dealing in stereotypes, then I’d say it’s because Asian families are wealthy and prefer to live closer to work in large newer homes along the tech corridor stretching out past Dulles. The achievement gap is so great because the lower income students are mostly 1st or 2nd gen immigrants and there are language an cultural challenges, in addition to those associated with poverty. Generally, it’s already apparent to me that APS cares more about inclusivity than student performance; the gifted program is kinda fake, tons of resources are thrown at ESOL, etc.

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I have the same question about whether to stay in Arlington, But frankly I don't see many better options at the public level nearby. I value our quality of life (less traffic, shorter commute, most things nearby, close to DC, more time spent with family, walkable communities) too much to move to MoCo on FFX. We can't afford private, so we are just going to have to stick it out. There are some positives about APS even now, but yes, the situation is getting beyond worrisome.


Falls Church City or Vienna. Arlington is a slow motion train wreck.


Yeah, but NA is fine too. What are FCC and Vienna if not NA without SA? The real problem is that NA insists on imposing their moral vision on SA instead of letting it become like NA.

They are nice communities that have much better schools than NA, and have their own identities. You make it sound like they are NA wannabes, which they are not.

Of course they are. They’re small, expensive, cloistered communities. You have to have a lot of coin to buy a house in those places so of course the test scores and other metrics of “quality” which correlate to family income are off the charts. Even NA is diverse by comparison.

Nope. North Arlington is not diverse, and North Arlington north of Lee Highway (the Yorktown HS areas) is the whitest, least diverse part of NoVa.

APS has some highly ranked elementary schools. The middle schools don't shine as brightly, and the performance really falls off at the high school level. It's been that way for years, and certainly did not improve under Murphy.

BS. Yorktown, Madison, and George Mason are all about 65% white (Madison 66%). YT has 15% Hispanic (highest of the 3), and fewer Asian by about 3%.

So racial demographics are pretty identical.

Economically, Madison has 10% FARMS, Yorktown 13%, George Mason doesn’t report (or has 0% — anyone know the real deal)?

So no NA is not the whitest enclave.

Is there a reason you’re not including Washington-lee hs? Which is arlingtons largest and in NA? On NORTH Stafford street? It’s 30 percent FRL and 45 percent nonhispanic white.

Oh i was just showing that even at the ‘whitest’ NA high school, it is less white than FCC and Vienna high schools. Once you consider WL, it’s clear NA is diverse. Though definitely more so below Lee Hwy.

Some parts of NA are among the least diverse places in the country.

Exactly what data are you using to make this claim? There are many, many parts of the country that are 100% white.