APS Sinking Ship

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Anonymous wrote:All the money in the world won’t solve the problem. You want ELL students to catch up? F*cking integrate them.

Please describe what that would entail and how it differs from current practice.

You mean the current practice of half our schools with almost no ELL students and the half with almost entire schools of ELL? That practice?

I live in SA. What do you propose?

Immersion in south Arlington. All across south Arlington. Shutting down Randolph, Carlin Springs, and Barcroft as neighborhood schools. Make them choice and try to entice middle class families to buy in.

Wouldn’t it be simpler for you to just move?

No. It’s simpler for me to send my kid to private school, but t has f*ck all to do with ell kids getting a good education.

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I have the same question about whether to stay in Arlington, But frankly I don't see many better options at the public level nearby. I value our quality of life (less traffic, shorter commute, most things nearby, close to DC, more time spent with family, walkable communities) too much to move to MoCo on FFX. We can't afford private, so we are just going to have to stick it out. There are some positives about APS even now, but yes, the situation is getting beyond worrisome.


Falls Church City or Vienna. Arlington is a slow motion train wreck.


Yeah, but NA is fine too. What are FCC and Vienna if not NA without SA? The real problem is that NA insists on imposing their moral vision on SA instead of letting it become like NA.

They are nice communities that have much better schools than NA, and have their own identities. You make it sound like they are NA wannabes, which they are not.

Of course they are. They’re small, expensive, cloistered communities. You have to have a lot of coin to buy a house in those places so of course the test scores and other metrics of “quality” which correlate to family income are off the charts. Even NA is diverse by comparison.

Nope. North Arlington is not diverse, and North Arlington north of Lee Highway (the Yorktown HS areas) is the whitest, least diverse part of NoVa.

APS has some highly ranked elementary schools. The middle schools don't shine as brightly, and the performance really falls off at the high school level. It's been that way for years, and certainly did not improve under Murphy.

BS. Yorktown, Madison, and George Mason are all about 65% white (Madison 66%). YT has 15% Hispanic (highest of the 3), and fewer Asian by about 3%.

So racial demographics are pretty identical.

Economically, Madison has 10% FARMS, Yorktown 13%, George Mason doesn’t report (or has 0% — anyone know the real deal)?

So no NA is not the whitest enclave.

Is there a reason you’re not including Washington-lee hs? Which is arlingtons largest and in NA? On NORTH Stafford street? It’s 30 percent FRL and 45 percent nonhispanic white.

Oh i was just showing that even at the ‘whitest’ NA high school, it is less white than FCC and Vienna high schools. Once you consider WL, it’s clear NA is diverse. Though definitely more so below Lee Hwy.

Some parts of NA are among the least diverse places in the country.

Exactly what data are you using to make this claim? There are many, many parts of the country that are 100% white.

In a county that prides itself on diversity, affordable housing and all around liberalism, it’s just morally wrong for there to be rich white enclaves.

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I thought you all were overreacting until I just read the Board Chair's email describing the new Superintendent search with the notorious Brown v. Board phrase that wound up equating to massive resistance and indefinite delay. If that doesn't encapsulate it all, I don't know.

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I have the same question about whether to stay in Arlington, But frankly I don't see many better options at the public level nearby. I value our quality of life (less traffic, shorter commute, most things nearby, close to DC, more time spent with family, walkable communities) too much to move to MoCo on FFX. We can't afford private, so we are just going to have to stick it out. There are some positives about APS even now, but yes, the situation is getting beyond worrisome.


Falls Church City or Vienna. Arlington is a slow motion train wreck.


Yeah, but NA is fine too. What are FCC and Vienna if not NA without SA? The real problem is that NA insists on imposing their moral vision on SA instead of letting it become like NA.

They are nice communities that have much better schools than NA, and have their own identities. You make it sound like they are NA wannabes, which they are not.

Of course they are. They’re small, expensive, cloistered communities. You have to have a lot of coin to buy a house in those places so of course the test scores and other metrics of “quality” which correlate to family income are off the charts. Even NA is diverse by comparison.

Nope. North Arlington is not diverse, and North Arlington north of Lee Highway (the Yorktown HS areas) is the whitest, least diverse part of NoVa.

APS has some highly ranked elementary schools. The middle schools don't shine as brightly, and the performance really falls off at the high school level. It's been that way for years, and certainly did not improve under Murphy.

BS. Yorktown, Madison, and George Mason are all about 65% white (Madison 66%). YT has 15% Hispanic (highest of the 3), and fewer Asian by about 3%.

So racial demographics are pretty identical.

Economically, Madison has 10% FARMS, Yorktown 13%, George Mason doesn’t report (or has 0% — anyone know the real deal)?

So no NA is not the whitest enclave.

Is there a reason you’re not including Washington-lee hs? Which is arlingtons largest and in NA? On NORTH Stafford street? It’s 30 percent FRL and 45 percent nonhispanic white.

Oh i was just showing that even at the ‘whitest’ NA high school, it is less white than FCC and Vienna high schools. Once you consider WL, it’s clear NA is diverse. Though definitely more so below Lee Hwy.

Some parts of NA are among the least diverse places in the country.

Exactly what data are you using to make this claim? There are many, many parts of the country that are 100% white.

In a county that prides itself on diversity, affordable housing and all around liberalism, it’s just morally wrong for there to be rich white enclaves.

The word you're looking for is hypocritical.

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I have the same question about whether to stay in Arlington, But frankly I don't see many better options at the public level nearby. I value our quality of life (less traffic, shorter commute, most things nearby, close to DC, more time spent with family, walkable communities) too much to move to MoCo on FFX. We can't afford private, so we are just going to have to stick it out. There are some positives about APS even now, but yes, the situation is getting beyond worrisome.


Falls Church City or Vienna. Arlington is a slow motion train wreck.


Yeah, but NA is fine too. What are FCC and Vienna if not NA without SA? The real problem is that NA insists on imposing their moral vision on SA instead of letting it become like NA.

They are nice communities that have much better schools than NA, and have their own identities. You make it sound like they are NA wannabes, which they are not.

Of course they are. They’re small, expensive, cloistered communities. You have to have a lot of coin to buy a house in those places so of course the test scores and other metrics of “quality” which correlate to family income are off the charts. Even NA is diverse by comparison.

Nope. North Arlington is not diverse, and North Arlington north of Lee Highway (the Yorktown HS areas) is the whitest, least diverse part of NoVa.

APS has some highly ranked elementary schools. The middle schools don't shine as brightly, and the performance really falls off at the high school level. It's been that way for years, and certainly did not improve under Murphy.

BS. Yorktown, Madison, and George Mason are all about 65% white (Madison 66%). YT has 15% Hispanic (highest of the 3), and fewer Asian by about 3%.

So racial demographics are pretty identical.

Economically, Madison has 10% FARMS, Yorktown 13%, George Mason doesn’t report (or has 0% — anyone know the real deal)?

So no NA is not the whitest enclave.

Is there a reason you’re not including Washington-lee hs? Which is arlingtons largest and in NA? On NORTH Stafford street? It’s 30 percent FRL and 45 percent nonhispanic white.

Oh i was just showing that even at the ‘whitest’ NA high school, it is less white than FCC and Vienna high schools. Once you consider WL, it’s clear NA is diverse. Though definitely more so below Lee Hwy.

Some parts of NA are among the least diverse places in the country.

Exactly what data are you using to make this claim? There are many, many parts of the country that are 100% white.

In a county that prides itself on diversity, affordable housing and all around liberalism, it’s just morally wrong for there to be rich white enclaves.

The word you're looking for is hypocritical.

That’s one word, maybe, but the words are actually morally wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought you all were overreacting until I just read the Board Chair's email describing the new Superintendent search with the notorious Brown v. Board phrase that wound up equating to massive resistance and indefinite delay. If that doesn't encapsulate it all, I don't know.

Just unbelievable. Cringe inducing beyond human comprehension.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought you all were overreacting until I just read the Board Chair's email describing the new Superintendent search with the notorious Brown v. Board phrase that wound up equating to massive resistance and indefinite delay. If that doesn't encapsulate it all, I don't know.

Just unbelievable. Cringe inducing beyond human comprehension.

Wait, what? Where?

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Anonymous wrote:I thought you all were overreacting until I just read the Board Chair's email describing the new Superintendent search with the notorious Brown v. Board phrase that wound up equating to massive resistance and indefinite delay. If that doesn't encapsulate it all, I don't know.

Just unbelievable. Cringe inducing beyond human comprehension.

Wait, what? Where?

From this? Help me out. What's the offensive phrase? https://www.apsva.us/post/arlington-school-board-chair-statement-on-superintendent-transition/

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Anonymous wrote:I thought you all were overreacting until I just read the Board Chair's email describing the new Superintendent search with the notorious Brown v. Board phrase that wound up equating to massive resistance and indefinite delay. If that doesn't encapsulate it all, I don't know.

Just unbelievable. Cringe inducing beyond human comprehension.

Wait, what? Where?

From this? Help me out. What's the offensive phrase? https://www.apsva.us/post/arlington-school-board-chair-statement-on-superintendent-transition/

Someone must have told him. He changed it. It use to say “with all deliberate speed.”

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Anonymous wrote:I thought you all were overreacting until I just read the Board Chair's email describing the new Superintendent search with the notorious Brown v. Board phrase that wound up equating to massive resistance and indefinite delay. If that doesn't encapsulate it all, I don't know.

Just unbelievable. Cringe inducing beyond human comprehension.

Wait, what? Where?

From this? Help me out. What's the offensive phrase? https://www.apsva.us/post/arlington-school-board-chair-statement-on-superintendent-transition/

Someone must have told him. He changed it. It use to say “with all deliberate speed.”

Credit to this thread?

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Anonymous wrote:LOL, if you think FCPS is such a haven, you’re not paying attention to the non-APS threads on this forum.

Hmm.

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/virginia

Of the top 10, 8 are in FCPS, 0 are in APS.

But I'm sure APS will do better once the schools are more overcrowded.

People ignore the performance of all of the more diverse FFX schools that show up much lower on these lists.

And almost all of the upper middle class and wealthy kids in Alexandria go to private school. Alexandria has 144,000 people and one public high school, Arlington has 220,000 people and 4 high schools. There's something like 10,000 kids just in private elementary in Alexandria.

You're not really comparing the performance of these systems fairly by cherry-picking the top schools in Fairfax and ignoring the fact that the public system in Alexandria primarily serves lower-income students.

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No One is ignoring that acps is mostly serving underprivileged/under performing students. It’s widely known and accepted. It has been that way for decades and isn’t worthy of note.

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Anonymous wrote:No One is ignoring that acps is mostly serving underprivileged/under performing students. It’s widely known and accepted. It has been that way for decades and isn’t worthy of note.

And soon it will be true of south Arlington as well.

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Anonymous wrote:No One is ignoring that acps is mostly serving underprivileged/under performing students. It’s widely known and accepted. It has been that way for decades and isn’t worthy of note.

And soon it will be true of south Arlington as well.

What has changed in south Arlington?

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Anonymous wrote:No One is ignoring that acps is mostly serving underprivileged/under performing students. It’s widely known and accepted. It has been that way for decades and isn’t worthy of note.

And soon it will be true of south Arlington as well.

What has changed in south Arlington?

Bifurcation. Housing prices have gone way up. Way up. And at the same time, more and more CAFs. Thus what you get are very wealthy who can afford a SFH, and the very poor who can only afford to live here through large subsidies.

The wealthy also can afford to send their kids to private instead of a public school in which 6 or 7 kids out of 10 don’t speak English and live in poverty. It’s not that these parents are “racist” it’s that they know in a classroom situation like that is triage and the teachers are going to put most of their time and effort to the kids that need the most help. And that’s not the kid living in a 850k reno, and TBH shouldn’t be. And when the rich kids bail, the imbalance gets worse, and the worse the imbalance is, the more it repels UMC and MC families who would consider a 40 or 50 percent FRL school but not a 70 or 80 percent one.