How does MCPS determine race/ethnicity?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Iran and the middle eastern countries are part of the Asian continent. How do they even classify themselves as white?

And to the pp who asked if Indian people are white. No, we are not. We are brown. The few light skinned Indians you may have seen are just that - a few. Most of us are brown skinned.

+1

Those of us from the warmer south (it is either hot or warm throughout the year) generally tend to have darker skin tone than those from the north, but generally speaking it is pretty difficult to mistake even someone from the North for a caucasian! May be the PP ran into an Anglo-indian - folks who have Indian and British ancestry!

Well, now you’re in the US.

And MCPS categorizes you in the White and Asian category, so as far as MCPS is concerned, your kid is White.

MCPS does not categorize students with a heritage in India as white.

Parents fill out the registration form and categorize their children however they choose.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Diversity hiring is intended to match the available pool of candidates, so it’s nit intended to hire AA teachers as role models. It’s supposed to ensure that employers are doing their best to hire across racial boundaries. For example, if 20% of qualified teachers are Hispanic, school systems should strive for 20% of their QUALIFIED teachers to be Hispanic. It does not force schools to hire a particular percentage or to hire less qualified teachers based on race.

At least, that’s the point of EEO initiatives. I don’t know what actually happens in the school system.

I can say with confidence that school systems want role models. White females need not apply any longer - at least in my former system. My friend, who's 100% Italian and very olive-complected, was hired b/c her principal thought she was Hispanic. She has not corrected her for fear he'd eventually target her. no lie

And yes, MCPS went to PR to recruit Spanish-speaking teachers b/c of the growing Hispanic community.

It is what it is, I suppose!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

So MCPS now tries to press the schools to grade students based on different standards for different focus groups? I don't think there is anything can be done with the standardized tests. Maybe this is why MCPS only requires 2 out of the 3 measures for the Equity Accountability score. Is this even legal?

No.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Diversity hiring is intended to match the available pool of candidates, so it’s nit intended to hire AA teachers as role models. It’s supposed to ensure that employers are doing their best to hire across racial boundaries. For example, if 20% of qualified teachers are Hispanic, school systems should strive for 20% of their QUALIFIED teachers to be Hispanic. It does not force schools to hire a particular percentage or to hire less qualified teachers based on race.

At least, that’s the point of EEO initiatives. I don’t know what actually happens in the school system.

I can say with confidence that school systems want role models. White females need not apply any longer - at least in my former system. My friend, who's 100% Italian and very olive-complected, was hired b/c her principal thought she was Hispanic. She has not corrected her for fear he'd eventually target her. no lie

And yes, MCPS went to PR to recruit Spanish-speaking teachers b/c of the growing Hispanic community.

It is what it is, I suppose!

MCPS went to PR to recruit Spanish-speaking teachers because dual language immersion programs (or two-way immersion programs as MCPS likes to call them) require teachers who are trained to teach reading and writing development in Spanish. This more or less requires teachers who received their training in Spanish-language environments. It's not just that they are looking for bilingual teachers. They are looking for teachers with training and experience teaching kids who do not know how to read to read in Spanish as opposed to teaching kids who already know how to read/write English to also read/write Spanish.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Iran and the middle eastern countries are part of the Asian continent. How do they even classify themselves as white?

And to the pp who asked if Indian people are white. No, we are not. We are brown. The few light skinned Indians you may have seen are just that - a few. Most of us are brown skinned.

+1

Those of us from the warmer south (it is either hot or warm throughout the year) generally tend to have darker skin tone than those from the north, but generally speaking it is pretty difficult to mistake even someone from the North for a caucasian! May be the PP ran into an Anglo-indian - folks who have Indian and British ancestry!

Well, now you’re in the US.

And MCPS categorizes you in the White and Asian category, so as far as MCPS is concerned, your kid is White.

MCPS does not categorize students with a heritage in India as white.

Parents fill out the registration form and categorize their children however they choose.

Absolutely.

We’re undocumented, so skies the limit!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The model does report White/Asian/Other non-FARMs at the top, and then compares that to the 5 FOCUS sub-groups which are AA non-FARMs, Hispanic non-FARMs, AA FARMs, Hispanic FARMs, and White/Asian/Other FARMs.

The number "score" is based on the percentage of students in that group that met EOL objectives. EOL is "Evidence of Learning" and a meets EOL objectives if they pass in 2/3 categories. The categories are: evaluation by classroom teacher (grades); evaluation by district measures (county-wide end of quarter tests); and evaluation by outside measures (standardized tests).

A student can "pass" the EOL evaluation by meeting standards in the classroom and on district-wide measures even if they fail the standardized test.

At least this is my understanding of how MCPS has set this up.

So MCPS now tries to press the schools to grade students based on different standards for different focus groups? I don't think there is anything can be done with the standardized tests. Maybe this is why MCPS only requires 2 out of the 3 measures for the Equity Accountability score. Is this even legal?

Not true.

Yes it actually is.

MCPS wants to close the achievement gap in any way possible. It’s ridiculous and misguided.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Iran and the middle eastern countries are part of the Asian continent. How do they even classify themselves as white?

And to the pp who asked if Indian people are white. No, we are not. We are brown. The few light skinned Indians you may have seen are just that - a few. Most of us are brown skinned.

+1

Those of us from the warmer south (it is either hot or warm throughout the year) generally tend to have darker skin tone than those from the north, but generally speaking it is pretty difficult to mistake even someone from the North for a caucasian! May be the PP ran into an Anglo-indian - folks who have Indian and British ancestry!

Well, now you’re in the US.

And MCPS categorizes you in the White and Asian category, so as far as MCPS is concerned, your kid is White.

MCPS does not categorize students with a heritage in India as white.

Maybe not, but they do lump them together when looking at ‘equity outcomes’.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The model does report White/Asian/Other non-FARMs at the top, and then compares that to the 5 FOCUS sub-groups which are AA non-FARMs, Hispanic non-FARMs, AA FARMs, Hispanic FARMs, and White/Asian/Other FARMs.

The number "score" is based on the percentage of students in that group that met EOL objectives. EOL is "Evidence of Learning" and a meets EOL objectives if they pass in 2/3 categories. The categories are: evaluation by classroom teacher (grades); evaluation by district measures (county-wide end of quarter tests); and evaluation by outside measures (standardized tests).

A student can "pass" the EOL evaluation by meeting standards in the classroom and on district-wide measures even if they fail the standardized test.

At least this is my understanding of how MCPS has set this up.

So MCPS now tries to press the schools to grade students based on different standards for different focus groups? I don't think there is anything can be done with the standardized tests. Maybe this is why MCPS only requires 2 out of the 3 measures for the Equity Accountability score. Is this even legal?

Thank goodness everyone gets an A or a B.

I think a jack smith is in to something here: the Achievement Gap will be nil very soon! Graduation rates will skyrocket, evidence of learning will proliferate, “academic progress” will be stellar, and “limited English proficiency” will be what it will be given the nonstop influx of illegals.

[Anonymous]

MCPS can always start doing what the SE DCPS did: graduate kids with 40% truancy, cheat on tracking tests, change grades of poorly performing students. Then get caught and a slap on the wrist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/data/LAR-charts/Equity-Accountability-Model-Achievement.html

Here, back test your ES, MS, HS test results from 2018z

I ran a few huge ESs (ashburton, wood acres) and HSs through (.
I don’t think MCPS is going to like the patterns that emerge. Unless they turn around and sue PARCC or MAP for racism.

And of course, what they aren’t doing is putting down the # of students per focus group or group.

With scores like what I saw popping up it looks like teachers are going to be under a lot of pressure to get FARMs and URMs testing well in math and English.

I’m not so sure this is a school or teacher problem to solve though. They are already doing a ton for these focus groups, way more than for other segments of students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The model does report White/Asian/Other non-FARMs at the top, and then compares that to the 5 FOCUS sub-groups which are AA non-FARMs, Hispanic non-FARMs, AA FARMs, Hispanic FARMs, and White/Asian/Other FARMs.

The number "score" is based on the percentage of students in that group that met EOL objectives. EOL is "Evidence of Learning" and a meets EOL objectives if they pass in 2/3 categories. The categories are: evaluation by classroom teacher (grades); evaluation by district measures (county-wide end of quarter tests); and evaluation by outside measures (standardized tests).

A student can "pass" the EOL evaluation by meeting standards in the classroom and on district-wide measures even if they fail the standardized test.

At least this is my understanding of how MCPS has set this up.

So MCPS now tries to press the schools to grade students based on different standards for different focus groups? I don't think there is anything can be done with the standardized tests. Maybe this is why MCPS only requires 2 out of the 3 measures for the Equity Accountability score. Is this even legal?

Not true.

Yes it actually is.

MCPS wants to close the achievement gap in any way possible. It’s ridiculous and misguided.

+1 This is not true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Diversity hiring is intended to match the available pool of candidates, so it’s nit intended to hire AA teachers as role models. It’s supposed to ensure that employers are doing their best to hire across racial boundaries. For example, if 20% of qualified teachers are Hispanic, school systems should strive for 20% of their QUALIFIED teachers to be Hispanic. It does not force schools to hire a particular percentage or to hire less qualified teachers based on race.

At least, that’s the point of EEO initiatives. I don’t know what actually happens in the school system.

I can say with confidence that school systems want role models. White females need not apply any longer - at least in my former system. My friend, who's 100% Italian and very olive-complected, was hired b/c her principal thought she was Hispanic. She has not corrected her for fear he'd eventually target her. no lie

And yes, MCPS went to PR to recruit Spanish-speaking teachers b/c of the growing Hispanic community.

It is what it is, I suppose!

What about men? At my DD MCPS elementary school, every teacher and administrator is female. The only men are the building maintenance staff. Guess MCPS doesnt' care about gender diversity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Iran and the middle eastern countries are part of the Asian continent. How do they even classify themselves as white?

And to the pp who asked if Indian people are white. No, we are not. We are brown. The few light skinned Indians you may have seen are just that - a few. Most of us are brown skinned.

+1

Those of us from the warmer south (it is either hot or warm throughout the year) generally tend to have darker skin tone than those from the north, but generally speaking it is pretty difficult to mistake even someone from the North for a caucasian! May be the PP ran into an Anglo-indian - folks who have Indian and British ancestry!

Well, now you’re in the US.

And MCPS categorizes you in the White and Asian category, so as far as MCPS is concerned, your kid is White.

MCPS does not categorize students with a heritage in India as white.

Maybe not, but they do lump them together when looking at ‘equity outcomes’.

Also not true. Indian students are classified as Asian and separate from white students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Iran and the middle eastern countries are part of the Asian continent. How do they even classify themselves as white?

And to the pp who asked if Indian people are white. No, we are not. We are brown. The few light skinned Indians you may have seen are just that - a few. Most of us are brown skinned.

+1

Those of us from the warmer south (it is either hot or warm throughout the year) generally tend to have darker skin tone than those from the north, but generally speaking it is pretty difficult to mistake even someone from the North for a caucasian! May be the PP ran into an Anglo-indian - folks who have Indian and British ancestry!

Well, now you’re in the US.

And MCPS categorizes you in the White and Asian category, so as far as MCPS is concerned, your kid is White.

MCPS does not categorize students with a heritage in India as white.

Maybe not, but they do lump them together when looking at ‘equity outcomes’.

NP. What's wrong with lumping them (high income whites and South/East Asians) together in this context?

-Indian American parent

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Diversity hiring is intended to match the available pool of candidates, so it’s nit intended to hire AA teachers as role models. It’s supposed to ensure that employers are doing their best to hire across racial boundaries. For example, if 20% of qualified teachers are Hispanic, school systems should strive for 20% of their QUALIFIED teachers to be Hispanic. It does not force schools to hire a particular percentage or to hire less qualified teachers based on race.

At least, that’s the point of EEO initiatives. I don’t know what actually happens in the school system.

I can say with confidence that school systems want role models. White females need not apply any longer - at least in my former system. My friend, who's 100% Italian and very olive-complected, was hired b/c her principal thought she was Hispanic. She has not corrected her for fear he'd eventually target her. no lie

And yes, MCPS went to PR to recruit Spanish-speaking teachers b/c of the growing Hispanic community.

It is what it is, I suppose!

What about men? At my DD MCPS elementary school, every teacher and administrator is female. The only men are the building maintenance staff. Guess MCPS doesnt' care about gender diversity.

That's up to your prinicpal. Our MCPS elementary school has several male teachers and administrators.