If God had an issue with homosexuality, where is divine intervention?

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Anonymous wrote:In Catholic teachings homosexuality is not a sin, homosexual sex is a sin. In fact all sex acts outside marriage are considered sins as well (adultery, fornication etc).

Damn, that means alot of straight folks are going to hell...especially alot of so-called Christians. Funny how that works.

Being sinless is not what leads to Christian heaven. The only sinless person was Jesus.

It is amazing how many people just have no idea what Christianity is on the most basic level.

Yep. Christians have a free pass to sin because “we’re all sinners” and as long as you repent, you get a “get out of Hell free” card.

You, also, have missed the entire point of Christianity. Congratulations!

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Anonymous wrote:OP not sure if I understood your question. What do you mean with divine intervention? Can you give an example?

+1 - OP, please elaborate on your question. What do you mean by an "issue" with homosexuality?

God through the Bible is clear that homosexual sex is a sin, but I do not believe that He condemns gay people who may have these feelings. He is waiting for all of us to turn from our sins and back to Him.

It's truly hard to fathom an all-loving God who condemns as a sin the love of two people for one another. Even if there isn't a god, murder would be wrong because of the harm you are doing to someone else. Stealing would be wrong for same reason. Cheating on your spouse same, because of the hurt you are doing to another. Lying that hurts others - wrong. Greed that means others are affected by having less, or the earth is harmed because of the wasteful consumption - wrong. Ignoring the plight of the poor and sick -- wrong.

2 men or 2 women in a loving, mutually satisfying relationship? What actual harm does that do except the perceived idea that God doesn't like it? Name the harm you see without staying simply "it's a sin according to God." Who is harmed? What visible harm is there? Not buying it. Don't care what a few lines written by human beings 2000+ years ago say.

You will never, ever be able to convince me that the loving marriages of my friends and family members are "sinful" because they are 2 men or 2 women paired up instead of one man and one woman. Never. Ever. Love is love. And if God isn't love, then I'm not sure I want to have much to do with God.

In life is not everything black or white. Sin and abuse could creep in a Church recognized marriage and Grace could be seen in certain relationship considered sinful ( think of homosexual partners that support each other during serious diseases or unmarried couples sharing their love with friends and family). At the end only God will read hearts and know the true intentions. Said that I think the problem with gay sex is that is missing the ‘one flesh’ unity and the potential to generate new creation. Also, often sex outside marriage (hetero too) often lack commitment and is more for temporary pleasure and casual relationships. This focus on self fulfillment and living in the moment could bring other issues with it (partner treated as’disposable’, divorce, unwanted pregnancy, hurt feelings etc).

So post-menopausal women and the infertile should never get married becauses they also miss out on the potential to generate new creation. Would you also deny a soldier who'd been wounded in combat and lost his genitals to forever stay out of a relationship?

Most people - the vast majority - have sex outside of marriage, so looks like a lot of us will be together in hell.

The Babel says only 144,000 people are going to heaven anyway so odds aren’t looking good for most of us anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:OP not sure if I understood your question. What do you mean with divine intervention? Can you give an example?

+1 - OP, please elaborate on your question. What do you mean by an "issue" with homosexuality?

God through the Bible is clear that homosexual sex is a sin, but I do not believe that He condemns gay people who may have these feelings. He is waiting for all of us to turn from our sins and back to Him.

It's truly hard to fathom an all-loving God who condemns as a sin the love of two people for one another. Even if there isn't a god, murder would be wrong because of the harm you are doing to someone else. Stealing would be wrong for same reason. Cheating on your spouse same, because of the hurt you are doing to another. Lying that hurts others - wrong. Greed that means others are affected by having less, or the earth is harmed because of the wasteful consumption - wrong. Ignoring the plight of the poor and sick -- wrong.

2 men or 2 women in a loving, mutually satisfying relationship? What actual harm does that do except the perceived idea that God doesn't like it? Name the harm you see without staying simply "it's a sin according to God." Who is harmed? What visible harm is there? Not buying it. Don't care what a few lines written by human beings 2000+ years ago say.

You will never, ever be able to convince me that the loving marriages of my friends and family members are "sinful" because they are 2 men or 2 women paired up instead of one man and one woman. Never. Ever. Love is love. And if God isn't love, then I'm not sure I want to have much to do with God.

In life is not everything black or white. Sin and abuse could creep in a Church recognized marriage and Grace could be seen in certain relationship considered sinful ( think of homosexual partners that support each other during serious diseases or unmarried couples sharing their love with friends and family). At the end only God will read hearts and know the true intentions. Said that I think the problem with gay sex is that is missing the ‘one flesh’ unity and the potential to generate new creation. Also, often sex outside marriage (hetero too) often lack commitment and is more for temporary pleasure and casual relationships. This focus on self fulfillment and living in the moment could bring other issues with it (partner treated as’disposable’, divorce, unwanted pregnancy, hurt feelings etc).

So post-menopausal women and the infertile should never get married becauses they also miss out on the potential to generate new creation. Would you also deny a soldier who'd been wounded in combat and lost his genitals to forever stay out of a relationship?

Most people - the vast majority - have sex outside of marriage, so looks like a lot of us will be together in hell.

The Babel says only 144,000 people are going to heaven anyway so odds aren’t looking good for most of us anyway.

Yeah that’s in the Tribulation period when God seals 144,000 Jews to saved from the Antichrist. It doesn’t apply now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP not sure if I understood your question. What do you mean with divine intervention? Can you give an example?

+1 - OP, please elaborate on your question. What do you mean by an "issue" with homosexuality?

God through the Bible is clear that homosexual sex is a sin, but I do not believe that He condemns gay people who may have these feelings. He is waiting for all of us to turn from our sins and back to Him.

It's truly hard to fathom an all-loving God who condemns as a sin the love of two people for one another. Even if there isn't a god, murder would be wrong because of the harm you are doing to someone else. Stealing would be wrong for same reason. Cheating on your spouse same, because of the hurt you are doing to another. Lying that hurts others - wrong. Greed that means others are affected by having less, or the earth is harmed because of the wasteful consumption - wrong. Ignoring the plight of the poor and sick -- wrong.

2 men or 2 women in a loving, mutually satisfying relationship? What actual harm does that do except the perceived idea that God doesn't like it? Name the harm you see without staying simply "it's a sin according to God." Who is harmed? What visible harm is there? Not buying it. Don't care what a few lines written by human beings 2000+ years ago say.

You will never, ever be able to convince me that the loving marriages of my friends and family members are "sinful" because they are 2 men or 2 women paired up instead of one man and one woman. Never. Ever. Love is love. And if God isn't love, then I'm not sure I want to have much to do with God.

In life is not everything black or white. Sin and abuse could creep in a Church recognized marriage and Grace could be seen in certain relationship considered sinful ( think of homosexual partners that support each other during serious diseases or unmarried couples sharing their love with friends and family). At the end only God will read hearts and know the true intentions. Said that I think the problem with gay sex is that is missing the ‘one flesh’ unity and the potential to generate new creation. Also, often sex outside marriage (hetero too) often lack commitment and is more for temporary pleasure and casual relationships. This focus on self fulfillment and living in the moment could bring other issues with it (partner treated as’disposable’, divorce, unwanted pregnancy, hurt feelings etc).

So post-menopausal women and the infertile should never get married becauses they also miss out on the potential to generate new creation. Would you also deny a soldier who'd been wounded in combat and lost his genitals to forever stay out of a relationship?

Most people - the vast majority - have sex outside of marriage, so looks like a lot of us will be together in hell.

The Babel says only 144,000 people are going to heaven anyway so odds aren’t looking good for most of us anyway.

Yeah that’s in the Tribulation period when God seals 144,000 Jews to saved from the Antichrist. It doesn’t apply now.

It can be challenging, knowing which parts of the Bible still apply and which parts don't. Interpretations also change over time. To stay up to date, it helps to join a church or synogogue and be a member in good standing.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe it is all just stories, no? Do you simply ignore all the verses you disagree with? Do you think this buffet-style Christianity is ultimately fulfilling?

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But you just described the essence of Christianity! We pick and choose what to keep from the OT and ignore what we feel like leaving out.

Have you actually read the entire Bible? At least the New Testament? Again, this is explained pretty well in the New Testament, so you also have missed some really, really basic Christian theology. Once you start dismissing the New Testament too, you might as well throw the whole thing out. That’s all I’m saying.

. Yes. I went to catholic school k thru 12 and my kid goes to catholic. She’s learned about Moses, Jacob, Solomon et al. And Jesus. But we ignore Leviticus. Explain.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe it is all just stories, no? Do you simply ignore all the verses you disagree with? Do you think this buffet-style Christianity is ultimately fulfilling?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

But you just described the essence of Christianity! We pick and choose what to keep from the OT and ignore what we feel like leaving out.

Have you actually read the entire Bible? At least the New Testament? Again, this is explained pretty well in the New Testament, so you also have missed some really, really basic Christian theology. Once you start dismissing the New Testament too, you might as well throw the whole thing out. That’s all I’m saying.

. Yes. I went to catholic school k thru 12 and my kid goes to catholic. She’s learned about Moses, Jacob, Solomon et al. And Jesus. But we ignore Leviticus. Explain.

Going to Catholic school has nothing to do with reading the Bible yourself and having a working understanding of it. Have you read the New Testament? Is your question rhetorical or you actually don’t know the verses that address this seeming discrepancy?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If God thinks homosexual sex is a sin, why did he create people who are born gay?

Why did God create Satan if he knew what Satan was going to do? This is the $60K question, imo. It all stems from this one question.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If God thinks homosexual sex is a sin, why did he create people who are born gay?

Why did God create Satan if he knew what Satan was going to do? This is the $60K question, imo. It all stems from this one question.

There is actually some debate about whether there is a “Satan,” that is, a being of pure evil that exists to torment humans and bring their downfall. There are some Bible verses, like in the book of Job, where it seems that Satan is there more to test people than be actively evil.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe it is all just stories, no? Do you simply ignore all the verses you disagree with? Do you think this buffet-style Christianity is ultimately fulfilling?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

But you just described the essence of Christianity! We pick and choose what to keep from the OT and ignore what we feel like leaving out.

Have you actually read the entire Bible? At least the New Testament? Again, this is explained pretty well in the New Testament, so you also have missed some really, really basic Christian theology. Once you start dismissing the New Testament too, you might as well throw the whole thing out. That’s all I’m saying.

. Yes. I went to catholic school k thru 12 and my kid goes to catholic. She’s learned about Moses, Jacob, Solomon et al. And Jesus. But we ignore Leviticus. Explain.

Going to Catholic school has nothing to do with reading the Bible yourself and having a working understanding of it. Have you read the New Testament? Is your question rhetorical or you actually don’t know the verses that address this seeming discrepancy?

Reading the NT may not make anything become clear. THere are many translations and interpretations. Besides, the bible was never meant to be a history book or a text book.

[Anonymous]

I dont believe in divine intervention, but HIV and AIDs does primarily affect homosexual men, prostitutes, drug users and peo ppl le who have sex or drugs with said groups. Pull the stats from the CDC and read the fine print.

[Anonymous]

God's too busy doing damage control on all the pedophile priests, bishops, cardinals etc...no time for civilian condemnation at the moment. SMH

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe it is all just stories, no? Do you simply ignore all the verses you disagree with? Do you think this buffet-style Christianity is ultimately fulfilling?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

But you just described the essence of Christianity! We pick and choose what to keep from the OT and ignore what we feel like leaving out.

Have you actually read the entire Bible? At least the New Testament? Again, this is explained pretty well in the New Testament, so you also have missed some really, really basic Christian theology. Once you start dismissing the New Testament too, you might as well throw the whole thing out. That’s all I’m saying.

. Yes. I went to catholic school k thru 12 and my kid goes to catholic. She’s learned about Moses, Jacob, Solomon et al. And Jesus. But we ignore Leviticus. Explain.

Going to Catholic school has nothing to do with reading the Bible yourself and having a working understanding of it. Have you read the New Testament? Is your question rhetorical or you actually don’t know the verses that address this seeming discrepancy?

Reading the NT may not make anything become clear. THere are many translations and interpretations. Besides, the bible was never meant to be a history book or a text book.

Have you read the entire New Testament, in any translation? How are all these posters speaking so authoritatively about something they appear to have no knowledge of whatsoever?

We are not talking about history, but about Biblical doctrine. Not sure how your statement is relevant to the present discussion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I dont believe in divine intervention, but HIV and AIDs does primarily affect homosexual men, prostitutes, drug users and peo ppl le who have sex or drugs with said groups. Pull the stats from the CDC and read the fine print.

Maybe having sex and doing drugs with a bunch of randos (of any gender) is just very dangerous to your physical body in addition to your spiritual life.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If God thinks homosexual sex is a sin, why did he create people who are born gay?

Why did God create Satan if he knew what Satan was going to do? This is the $60K question, imo. It all stems from this one question.

There is actually some debate about whether there is a “Satan,” that is, a being of pure evil that exists to torment humans and bring their downfall. There are some Bible verses, like in the book of Job, where it seems that Satan is there more to test people than be actively evil.

There are NT bible passages about casting out demons, as in evil spirits, as in the followers of Satan. Even Jesus casted out demons.

Regardless, the question remains.. "why did God create Satan if he knew that Satan was going to fall"? If this question can be answered, I think so too will a multitude of other questions.

Why did God create people with hot tempers, greed, lust, etc... ?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If God thinks homosexual sex is a sin, why did he create people who are born gay?

Why did God create Satan if he knew what Satan was going to do? This is the $60K question, imo. It all stems from this one question.

There is actually some debate about whether there is a “Satan,” that is, a being of pure evil that exists to torment humans and bring their downfall. There are some Bible verses, like in the book of Job, where it seems that Satan is there more to test people than be actively evil.

There are NT bible passages about casting out demons, as in evil spirits, as in the followers of Satan. Even Jesus casted out demons.

Regardless, the question remains.. "why did God create Satan if he knew that Satan was going to fall"? If this question can be answered, I think so too will a multitude of other questions.

Why did God create people with hot tempers, greed, lust, etc... ?

My understanding is that anything God created with consciousness had to have free will- i.e. the ability to make choices, else they would be robots.

Could a conflict free universe have been created? Perhaps. It's not really something I worry about.