Would you put your white kid in KIPP or Center City?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kids was the only white kid in PK3 and pk4 at a different School. No issue at all. He got on well with all his classmates and teachers.

PK3 and PK4 are not relevant. That is a totally different experience. Most IMC white families have their kids in schools where their white lid is a mintority. It’s different after second or third grade. Don’t pat yourself on the back just yet.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I went to a predominantly black school through eighth grade and I am white. I would do the same with my son though our neighborhood school is closer to 50/50. Certainly helps one not to have the kind of weird hang ups some white people have, like thinking being AA is a personality type or something. Did I sometimes feel weird and not part of the dominant culture? Sure but I don’t know that that was a bad thing to experience and navigate.

I'm the poster who said that if a white three year old experiences racial discrimination at school, it could be a learning experience. I was thinking of micro-aggressions, ignorant assumptions, maybe use of a racial epithet or an incident of exclusion; the kind of stuff I, as a white person, have once in a while actually experienced. Being subjected to that level of racist treatment I think can be a learning experience for white people, because it can remind us that racism exists, show us that hurts, that it's wrong, and we can learn something about race, privilege, and decent conduct as we navigate the best response. I was not thinking that it would be OK for a white child to be violently attacked because of their race or something like that -- that's just so out of the realm of what I perceive as realistic (and yes, it is a white privilege for it to be so unrealistic for my kids) that I didn't even think about it.

As a PP said -- white parents who are so concerned about having the only white kid in the preschool class, what is the worst thing that could realistically happen? IMO, it would be a racist statement from a kid or teacher (i.e., "you can't do X because you are white.") If that happened to my kid, it would absolutely be a learning experience to unpack the comment and respond to it. Non-white kids get this message all the time. Parents need to recognize it (when it's sent to our kids or others) and be ready to help our kids respond appropriately.

Most normal people don't want to live in a neighborhood, school, or heck work at a company where they are less than 10% of the population. It's human nature people

That’s white people nature.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FWIW, this is a real consideration for us as well in evaluating schools for DD who will start pk-3 next year. She has always been the only or one of the only white children in her daycare (currently I think she is one of 3) and she thinks nothing of it. Neither do we. I would expect the same to be true for pk and early elementary, but I worry that as she gets older it may be more challenging for her to be the only white student in her class or perhaps her grade. I’m very comfortable with white students being in the majority, but I would like there to be at least 10% white kids - though that is completely arbitrary. My fear, which may be unfounded, is that she would be singled out or picked on as the only white student.

I’m the PP here. A little late to correct this, but I meant we’re comfortable with white students being in the minority, not majority.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kids was the only white kid in PK3 and pk4 at a different School. No issue at all. He got on well with all his classmates and teachers.

PK3 and PK4 are not relevant. That is a totally different experience. Most IMC white families have their kids in schools where their white lid is a mintority. It’s different after second or third grade. Don’t pat yourself on the back just yet.

NP, the OP is asking about PK3, so it is relevant for posters to speak about their experiences in that grade.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I went to a predominantly black school through eighth grade and I am white. I would do the same with my son though our neighborhood school is closer to 50/50. Certainly helps one not to have the kind of weird hang ups some white people have, like thinking being AA is a personality type or something. Did I sometimes feel weird and not part of the dominant culture? Sure but I don’t know that that was a bad thing to experience and navigate.

I'm the poster who said that if a white three year old experiences racial discrimination at school, it could be a learning experience. I was thinking of micro-aggressions, ignorant assumptions, maybe use of a racial epithet or an incident of exclusion; the kind of stuff I, as a white person, have once in a while actually experienced. Being subjected to that level of racist treatment I think can be a learning experience for white people, because it can remind us that racism exists, show us that hurts, that it's wrong, and we can learn something about race, privilege, and decent conduct as we navigate the best response. I was not thinking that it would be OK for a white child to be violently attacked because of their race or something like that -- that's just so out of the realm of what I perceive as realistic (and yes, it is a white privilege for it to be so unrealistic for my kids) that I didn't even think about it.

As a PP said -- white parents who are so concerned about having the only white kid in the preschool class, what is the worst thing that could realistically happen? IMO, it would be a racist statement from a kid or teacher (i.e., "you can't do X because you are white.") If that happened to my kid, it would absolutely be a learning experience to unpack the comment and respond to it. Non-white kids get this message all the time. Parents need to recognize it (when it's sent to our kids or others) and be ready to help our kids respond appropriately.

Most normal people don't want to live in a neighborhood, school, or heck work at a company where they are less than 10% of the population. It's human nature people

That’s white people nature.

What exactly is "white people nature", dear racist fellow?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I went to a predominantly black school through eighth grade and I am white. I would do the same with my son though our neighborhood school is closer to 50/50. Certainly helps one not to have the kind of weird hang ups some white people have, like thinking being AA is a personality type or something. Did I sometimes feel weird and not part of the dominant culture? Sure but I don’t know that that was a bad thing to experience and navigate.

I'm the poster who said that if a white three year old experiences racial discrimination at school, it could be a learning experience. I was thinking of micro-aggressions, ignorant assumptions, maybe use of a racial epithet or an incident of exclusion; the kind of stuff I, as a white person, have once in a while actually experienced. Being subjected to that level of racist treatment I think can be a learning experience for white people, because it can remind us that racism exists, show us that hurts, that it's wrong, and we can learn something about race, privilege, and decent conduct as we navigate the best response. I was not thinking that it would be OK for a white child to be violently attacked because of their race or something like that -- that's just so out of the realm of what I perceive as realistic (and yes, it is a white privilege for it to be so unrealistic for my kids) that I didn't even think about it.

As a PP said -- white parents who are so concerned about having the only white kid in the preschool class, what is the worst thing that could realistically happen? IMO, it would be a racist statement from a kid or teacher (i.e., "you can't do X because you are white.") If that happened to my kid, it would absolutely be a learning experience to unpack the comment and respond to it. Non-white kids get this message all the time. Parents need to recognize it (when it's sent to our kids or others) and be ready to help our kids respond appropriately.

Most normal people don't want to live in a neighborhood, school, or heck work at a company where they are less than 10% of the population. It's human nature people

That’s white people nature.

What exactly is "white people nature", dear racist fellow?

I'm not the poster who wrote the comment, but many affluent black people live in neighborhoods and go to schools where they are less than 10% of the population. They choose to live in those neighborhoods and send their kids to those schools.

[Anonymous]

Internalized whiteness. Learned a new word this morning, lol.

https://everydayfeminism.com/healing-from-internalized-whiteness/#register

What is “white” anyway?

When you say my “white” child, what experiences make your pre K child different than any other three/4 year old solely based on your DC’s skin.

[Anonymous]

And many affluent people move to poor neighborhoods solely to get more house for their financial investment, and DONT make any attempt to make sincere community investments with the people who live there already...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And many affluent people move to poor neighborhoods solely to get more house for their financial investment, and DONT make any attempt to make sincere community investments with the people who live there already...

That's not quite true, is it? They move to neighborhoods that they believe are going to change or that they will actively work to change. They are getting more house for their future financial return, a return that also includes more neighbors like them. Why make an investment in the people who live there already when they want more new people like them to come there?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Internalized whiteness. Learned a new word this morning, lol.

https://everydayfeminism.com/healing-from-internalized-whiteness/#register

What is “white” anyway?

When you say my “white” child, what experiences make your pre K child different than any other three/4 year old solely based on your DC’s skin.

BTW, it isn't skin color, it's cultural differences. My 6th grader has been in a HRCS since preK, one that gets "more diverse" -- i.e., less diverse -- with each advancing grade. In the last 18 months or so, he has started to sound like a lower-SES urban AA, both word choice and intonation. "Dang, bra, yo momma etc..."

Sorry, but for my family, and especially for his future, that is highly undesirable. Changes coming soon.

Your mileage may vary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Internalized whiteness. Learned a new word this morning, lol.

https://everydayfeminism.com/healing-from-internalized-whiteness/#register

What is “white” anyway?

When you say my “white” child, what experiences make your pre K child different than any other three/4 year old solely based on your DC’s skin.

BTW, it isn't skin color, it's cultural differences. My 6th grader has been in a HRCS since preK, one that gets "more diverse" -- i.e., less diverse -- with each advancing grade. In the last 18 months or so, he has started to sound like a lower-SES urban AA, both word choice and intonation. "Dang, bra, yo momma etc..."

Sorry, but for my family, and especially for his future, that is highly undesirable. Changes coming soon.

Your mileage may vary.

I agree with this. And it may be more poverty culture than racial culture, but I’ve seen a lot of young AA kids swearing and throwing trash on the ground without repercussion in the lower SES neighborhoods where I’ve lived the last few years. Also young girls twerking and highly sexualized dancing to music that I would be uncomfortable with an ES aged kid listening to. I worry about peer influence as DD gets older.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I went to a predominantly black school through eighth grade and I am white. I would do the same with my son though our neighborhood school is closer to 50/50. Certainly helps one not to have the kind of weird hang ups some white people have, like thinking being AA is a personality type or something. Did I sometimes feel weird and not part of the dominant culture? Sure but I don’t know that that was a bad thing to experience and navigate.

I'm the poster who said that if a white three year old experiences racial discrimination at school, it could be a learning experience. I was thinking of micro-aggressions, ignorant assumptions, maybe use of a racial epithet or an incident of exclusion; the kind of stuff I, as a white person, have once in a while actually experienced. Being subjected to that level of racist treatment I think can be a learning experience for white people, because it can remind us that racism exists, show us that hurts, that it's wrong, and we can learn something about race, privilege, and decent conduct as we navigate the best response. I was not thinking that it would be OK for a white child to be violently attacked because of their race or something like that -- that's just so out of the realm of what I perceive as realistic (and yes, it is a white privilege for it to be so unrealistic for my kids) that I didn't even think about it.

As a PP said -- white parents who are so concerned about having the only white kid in the preschool class, what is the worst thing that could realistically happen? IMO, it would be a racist statement from a kid or teacher (i.e., "you can't do X because you are white.") If that happened to my kid, it would absolutely be a learning experience to unpack the comment and respond to it. Non-white kids get this message all the time. Parents need to recognize it (when it's sent to our kids or others) and be ready to help our kids respond appropriately.

Most normal people don't want to live in a neighborhood, school, or heck work at a company where they are less than 10% of the population. It's human nature people

That’s white people nature.

What exactly is "white people nature", dear racist fellow?

I'm not the poster who wrote the comment, but many affluent black people live in neighborhoods and go to schools where they are less than 10% of the population. They choose to live in those neighborhoods and send their kids to those schools.

And?

That's perfectly normal in a country where blacks account for 12% of the population.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Internalized whiteness. Learned a new word this morning, lol.

https://everydayfeminism.com/healing-from-internalized-whiteness/#register

What is “white” anyway?

When you say my “white” child, what experiences make your pre K child different than any other three/4 year old solely based on your DC’s skin.

BTW, it isn't skin color, it's cultural differences. My 6th grader has been in a HRCS since preK, one that gets "more diverse" -- i.e., less diverse -- with each advancing grade. In the last 18 months or so, he has started to sound like a lower-SES urban AA, both word choice and intonation. "Dang, bra, yo momma etc..."

Sorry, but for my family, and especially for his future, that is highly undesirable. Changes coming soon.

Your mileage may vary.

I agree with this. And it may be more poverty culture than racial culture, but I’ve seen a lot of young AA kids swearing and throwing trash on the ground without repercussion in the lower SES neighborhoods where I’ve lived the last few years. Also young girls twerking and highly sexualized dancing to music that I would be uncomfortable with an ES aged kid listening to. I worry about peer influence as DD gets older.

+1.

Culture is destiny.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kids was the only white kid in PK3 and pk4 at a different School. No issue at all. He got on well with all his classmates and teachers.

PK3 and PK4 are not relevant. That is a totally different experience. Most IMC white families have their kids in schools where their white lid is a mintority. It’s different after second or third grade. Don’t pat yourself on the back just yet.

Oh FFS, PP asked about experiences with their kids being an only. Same kid is now in fifth grade and still in a minority though there are a couple of other white kids in his class as well as other races and mixed race. Still a non issue, but he's no longer the only white kid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I went to a predominantly black school through eighth grade and I am white. I would do the same with my son though our neighborhood school is closer to 50/50. Certainly helps one not to have the kind of weird hang ups some white people have, like thinking being AA is a personality type or something. Did I sometimes feel weird and not part of the dominant culture? Sure but I don’t know that that was a bad thing to experience and navigate.

I'm the poster who said that if a white three year old experiences racial discrimination at school, it could be a learning experience. I was thinking of micro-aggressions, ignorant assumptions, maybe use of a racial epithet or an incident of exclusion; the kind of stuff I, as a white person, have once in a while actually experienced. Being subjected to that level of racist treatment I think can be a learning experience for white people, because it can remind us that racism exists, show us that hurts, that it's wrong, and we can learn something about race, privilege, and decent conduct as we navigate the best response. I was not thinking that it would be OK for a white child to be violently attacked because of their race or something like that -- that's just so out of the realm of what I perceive as realistic (and yes, it is a white privilege for it to be so unrealistic for my kids) that I didn't even think about it.

As a PP said -- white parents who are so concerned about having the only white kid in the preschool class, what is the worst thing that could realistically happen? IMO, it would be a racist statement from a kid or teacher (i.e., "you can't do X because you are white.") If that happened to my kid, it would absolutely be a learning experience to unpack the comment and respond to it. Non-white kids get this message all the time. Parents need to recognize it (when it's sent to our kids or others) and be ready to help our kids respond appropriately.

Most normal people don't want to live in a neighborhood, school, or heck work at a company where they are less than 10% of the population. It's human nature people

That’s white people nature.

What exactly is "white people nature", dear racist fellow?

I'm not the poster who wrote the comment, but many affluent black people live in neighborhoods and go to schools where they are less than 10% of the population. They choose to live in those neighborhoods and send their kids to those schools.

And?

That's perfectly normal in a country where blacks account for 12% of the population.

And... the idea that normal people don't want to live in a neighborhood, go to school or work where they are less than 10% of the population is not necessarily true. It's not "white people nature". Nor is it black people nature.