Would you put your white kid in KIPP or Center City?

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I went to a predominantly black school through eighth grade and I am white. I would do the same with my son though our neighborhood school is closer to 50/50. Certainly helps one not to have the kind of weird hang ups some white people have, like thinking being AA is a personality type or something. Did I sometimes feel weird and not part of the dominant culture? Sure but I don’t know that that was a bad thing to experience and navigate.
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My kids was the only white kid in PK3 and pk4 at a different School. No issue at all. He got on well with all his classmates and teachers.
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Anonymous wrote:Yes, I would send them to KIPP because I think it's a high-quality curriculum with families that value education. I'd be more worried about whether the teaching approach is a good fit for my particular kid than race. I know there's a lot of skepticism about KIPP but as it turns out my high SES white kid LOVES structure, and absolutely floundered in a more touch-feely "play based" PK. He would likely have loved KIPP.


I feel the same way. Visit both schools and see how the classroom management and m.o. of the school (give homework or not, amount of playtime, outdoor time/space, schedule, etc.) matches or clashes with your preferences. About being "the only" -- I don't think this is an inherent problem, especially not for a white child. I would highly doubt a white three year old will experience any racial discrimination at school (and if so, it could be a good learning experience). Encourage the child to make friends in school. Meet other parents and arrange play dates. We did this when our child was literally the only white child in class and it was great; we made many new friends.


A white child experiencing racial discrimination at school as a three year old could "be a good learning experience". Are you drunk? Crawl back into your hole.


+1.

Signed,

Minority



The idea that a white elementary school child will experience racial discrimination is absolutely absurd! I say this as a mom of a white child who is one of 3 white kids in the grade. The children are children and the only issues they ever have are the same issues that all kids have. The fear of racial discrimination is ridiculous. People fear the unknown but I am telling you there is nothing to fear.

What is going on with people!?!?


If you say so, Mary Poppins...


Mary Poppins? Seek help! Your world view is toxic. I can assure you I have not met a black parent in DC who didn't worry and love their kids any less than a white parent. AA parents want a good education and a positive environment for their children, which doesn't not include beating up the 1% of white kids in the school. In fact, all the parents I know would be furious if their kids did this. Get outside your bubble, you might learn something.


Lady, you live in a fantastic bubble

Best luck to your kids.


what are you talking about? what bubble?


You are hopelessly naive, lady.


I'm not naive. I'm reporting my actual experience with my child. You are arguing with no experience just stereotypes or a belief of what you think would happen. My child has friends and is very happy... far happier than her experience at a rich predominantly white private. But keep spreading the prejudice.
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Anonymous wrote:Both Kipp and Center City use the Appletree model for pk3 and prek4. You’ll be fine at either one for those grades. K and up, I’d choose Kipp over CC.



False. KIPP DC schools use Tools of the Mind. You can read more about it here. https://toolsofthemind.org/learn/tools-for-parents/#parents-of

I'm also curious about the poster who said "KIPP is not the type of environment in which I want my child to spend her schools years." My husband is an early elementary teacher at KIPP and I only hope our kids have access to a school that combines such joy, rigor, and excellent teaching. Have you ever BEEN in a KIPP PreK classroom?



The stereotype for KIPP is high discipline drill military style environment. That's not what most people middle class and above are looking for in a school environment
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Anonymous wrote:Yes, I would send them to KIPP because I think it's a high-quality curriculum with families that value education. I'd be more worried about whether the teaching approach is a good fit for my particular kid than race. I know there's a lot of skepticism about KIPP but as it turns out my high SES white kid LOVES structure, and absolutely floundered in a more touch-feely "play based" PK. He would likely have loved KIPP.


I feel the same way. Visit both schools and see how the classroom management and m.o. of the school (give homework or not, amount of playtime, outdoor time/space, schedule, etc.) matches or clashes with your preferences. About being "the only" -- I don't think this is an inherent problem, especially not for a white child. I would highly doubt a white three year old will experience any racial discrimination at school (and if so, it could be a good learning experience). Encourage the child to make friends in school. Meet other parents and arrange play dates. We did this when our child was literally the only white child in class and it was great; we made many new friends.


A white child experiencing racial discrimination at school as a three year old could "be a good learning experience". Are you drunk? Crawl back into your hole.


+1.

Signed,

Minority



The idea that a white elementary school child will experience racial discrimination is absolutely absurd! I say this as a mom of a white child who is one of 3 white kids in the grade. The children are children and the only issues they ever have are the same issues that all kids have. The fear of racial discrimination is ridiculous. People fear the unknown but I am telling you there is nothing to fear.

What is going on with people!?!?


If you say so, Mary Poppins...


Mary Poppins? Seek help! Your world view is toxic. I can assure you I have not met a black parent in DC who didn't worry and love their kids any less than a white parent. AA parents want a good education and a positive environment for their children, which doesn't not include beating up the 1% of white kids in the school. In fact, all the parents I know would be furious if their kids did this. Get outside your bubble, you might learn something.


Lady, you live in a fantastic bubble

Best luck to your kids.


what are you talking about? what bubble?


You are hopelessly naive, lady.


I'm not naive. I'm reporting my actual experience with my child. You are arguing with no experience just stereotypes or a belief of what you think would happen. My child has friends and is very happy... far happier than her experience at a rich predominantly white private. But keep spreading the prejudice.


thank u, next!
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Anonymous wrote:Both Kipp and Center City use the Appletree model for pk3 and prek4. You’ll be fine at either one for those grades. K and up, I’d choose Kipp over CC.



False. KIPP DC schools use Tools of the Mind. You can read more about it here. https://toolsofthemind.org/learn/tools-for-parents/#parents-of

I'm also curious about the poster who said "KIPP is not the type of environment in which I want my child to spend her schools years." My husband is an early elementary teacher at KIPP and I only hope our kids have access to a school that combines such joy, rigor, and excellent teaching. Have you ever BEEN in a KIPP PreK classroom?



The stereotype for KIPP is high discipline drill military style environment. That's not what most people middle class and above are looking for in a school environment


that's the STEREOTYPE. You'd have to actually go see the school and talk to KIPP parents to find out if it's true or not.
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Anonymous wrote:Both Kipp and Center City use the Appletree model for pk3 and prek4. You’ll be fine at either one for those grades. K and up, I’d choose Kipp over CC.



False. KIPP DC schools use Tools of the Mind. You can read more about it here. https://toolsofthemind.org/learn/tools-for-parents/#parents-of

I'm also curious about the poster who said "KIPP is not the type of environment in which I want my child to spend her schools years." My husband is an early elementary teacher at KIPP and I only hope our kids have access to a school that combines such joy, rigor, and excellent teaching. Have you ever BEEN in a KIPP PreK classroom?



The stereotype for KIPP is high discipline drill military style environment. That's not what most people middle class and above are looking for in a school environment


that's the STEREOTYPE. You'd have to actually go see the school and talk to KIPP parents to find out if it's true or not.


Look let's talk about stereotypes they only exist because they are true at least some and in many cases a great majority of the time
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Anonymous wrote:I'm struggling with this, and am grateful this is an anonymous board, so please be gentle. I have a middle class white kid who will be starting in Prek3 next year. I have absolutely no concerns with sending her to a school that is primarily black/latino. We live in Brightwood and racial and socioeconomic diversity are a pro in our book, not a con. But when I see a school that is 0-1% white, I wonder what her experience would be like as the ONLY white kid. Is that a valid concern? If your kids attend one of these schools, how do you think a white kid would fit in? If you're a parent to a white kid, did you/would you send your kid to one of these schools?


Our kids are neither white nor black, and nope we'd never sent them there.

We wouldn't try to outsource such a parenting decision to DCUM either.
Anonymous
Should not (never) be a question of race, but whether the school's educational/child development approach is one that is right for you and especially your child. KIPP is more structured and has amazing results sending scores of low-income kids to college. Capital City, which I know less about, has an expeditionary learning approach, which is guided by the students' interests and focuses on deep, rather than rote, learning. Personally, I think there is a place for both approaches and some kids do better with one or the other. I'm Asian, my kids are half-white, and go to a majority black and Hispanic schools because they are terrific schools, with terrific teachers and language immersion, which was something we were looking for. KIPP is a terrific school -- I have a friend who went to Yale who's a principal at one down south. The things her kids have accomplished would amaze most cynics. Go and check out the schools for yourself, and most importantly, speak with the teachers and observe!
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Anonymous wrote:I went to a predominantly black school through eighth grade and I am white. I would do the same with my son though our neighborhood school is closer to 50/50. Certainly helps one not to have the kind of weird hang ups some white people have, like thinking being AA is a personality type or something. Did I sometimes feel weird and not part of the dominant culture? Sure but I don’t know that that was a bad thing to experience and navigate.


I'm the poster who said that if a white three year old experiences racial discrimination at school, it could be a learning experience. I was thinking of micro-aggressions, ignorant assumptions, maybe use of a racial epithet or an incident of exclusion; the kind of stuff I, as a white person, have once in a while actually experienced. Being subjected to that level of racist treatment I think can be a learning experience for white people, because it can remind us that racism exists, show us that hurts, that it's wrong, and we can learn something about race, privilege, and decent conduct as we navigate the best response. I was not thinking that it would be OK for a white child to be violently attacked because of their race or something like that -- that's just so out of the realm of what I perceive as realistic (and yes, it is a white privilege for it to be so unrealistic for my kids) that I didn't even think about it.

As a PP said -- white parents who are so concerned about having the only white kid in the preschool class, what is the worst thing that could realistically happen? IMO, it would be a racist statement from a kid or teacher (i.e., "you can't do X because you are white.") If that happened to my kid, it would absolutely be a learning experience to unpack the comment and respond to it. Non-white kids get this message all the time. Parents need to recognize it (when it's sent to our kids or others) and be ready to help our kids respond appropriately.
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Anonymous wrote:I went to a predominantly black school through eighth grade and I am white. I would do the same with my son though our neighborhood school is closer to 50/50. Certainly helps one not to have the kind of weird hang ups some white people have, like thinking being AA is a personality type or something. Did I sometimes feel weird and not part of the dominant culture? Sure but I don’t know that that was a bad thing to experience and navigate.


I'm the poster who said that if a white three year old experiences racial discrimination at school, it could be a learning experience. I was thinking of micro-aggressions, ignorant assumptions, maybe use of a racial epithet or an incident of exclusion; the kind of stuff I, as a white person, have once in a while actually experienced. Being subjected to that level of racist treatment I think can be a learning experience for white people, because it can remind us that racism exists, show us that hurts, that it's wrong, and we can learn something about race, privilege, and decent conduct as we navigate the best response. I was not thinking that it would be OK for a white child to be violently attacked because of their race or something like that -- that's just so out of the realm of what I perceive as realistic (and yes, it is a white privilege for it to be so unrealistic for my kids) that I didn't even think about it.

As a PP said -- white parents who are so concerned about having the only white kid in the preschool class, what is the worst thing that could realistically happen? IMO, it would be a racist statement from a kid or teacher (i.e., "you can't do X because you are white.") If that happened to my kid, it would absolutely be a learning experience to unpack the comment and respond to it. Non-white kids get this message all the time. Parents need to recognize it (when it's sent to our kids or others) and be ready to help our kids respond appropriately.


Most normal people don't want to live in a neighborhood, school, or heck work at a company where they are less than 10% of the population. It's human nature people
Anonymous
PP here, though I doubt I can add anything much to this giant thread. My kids look caucasian, or possibly Hispanic. The only thing I noticed when they were young and in these largely black and brown schools is that their preferences for dolls and princesses and beauty were skewed toward black and brown women and girls. They felt a little self conscious that their friends wanted to touch and play with their hair, and also that they didnt have beads or tiny braids. They got over that quickly and it never became a big issue, nor were they teased. The only thing I can think of was my first daughter was the only one of her girlfriends whose ears weren't pierced in the 6th grade. Due to my husband's family preference, we waited for her until 8, but in my culture, it is common for babies and toddlers to have ears pierced. Now she's in a high income, less minority school and she's the only one in her 4th grade class with pierced ears. So, these are minor, cosmetic differences.
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Anonymous wrote:Yes, I would send them to KIPP because I think it's a high-quality curriculum with families that value education. I'd be more worried about whether the teaching approach is a good fit for my particular kid than race. I know there's a lot of skepticism about KIPP but as it turns out my high SES white kid LOVES structure, and absolutely floundered in a more touch-feely "play based" PK. He would likely have loved KIPP.


I feel the same way. Visit both schools and see how the classroom management and m.o. of the school (give homework or not, amount of playtime, outdoor time/space, schedule, etc.) matches or clashes with your preferences. About being "the only" -- I don't think this is an inherent problem, especially not for a white child. I would highly doubt a white three year old will experience any racial discrimination at school (and if so, it could be a good learning experience). Encourage the child to make friends in school. Meet other parents and arrange play dates. We did this when our child was literally the only white child in class and it was great; we made many new friends.


A white child experiencing racial discrimination at school as a three year old could "be a good learning experience". Are you drunk? Crawl back into your hole.


+1.

Signed,

Minority



The idea that a white elementary school child will experience racial discrimination is absolutely absurd! I say this as a mom of a white child who is one of 3 white kids in the grade. The children are children and the only issues they ever have are the same issues that all kids have. The fear of racial discrimination is ridiculous. People fear the unknown but I am telling you there is nothing to fear.

What is going on with people!?!?


If you say so, Mary Poppins...


Mary Poppins? Seek help! Your world view is toxic. I can assure you I have not met a black parent in DC who didn't worry and love their kids any less than a white parent. AA parents want a good education and a positive environment for their children, which doesn't not include beating up the 1% of white kids in the school. In fact, all the parents I know would be furious if their kids did this. Get outside your bubble, you might learn something.


Lady, you live in a fantastic bubble

Best luck to your kids.


what are you talking about? what bubble?


You are hopelessly naive, lady.


I'm not naive. I'm reporting my actual experience with my child. You are arguing with no experience just stereotypes or a belief of what you think would happen. My child has friends and is very happy... far happier than her experience at a rich predominantly white private. But keep spreading the prejudice.


Well, I'm 11:39 so I do in fact have ACTUAL EXPERIENCE. As the student. Not just as some parent on the side lines.
Anonymous
*whose ears weren't pierced in kindergarten, is what I meant to say. Sorry.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Both Kipp and Center City use the Appletree model for pk3 and prek4. You’ll be fine at either one for those grades. K and up, I’d choose Kipp over CC.



False. KIPP DC schools use Tools of the Mind. You can read more about it here. https://toolsofthemind.org/learn/tools-for-parents/#parents-of

I'm also curious about the poster who said "KIPP is not the type of environment in which I want my child to spend her schools years." My husband is an early elementary teacher at KIPP and I only hope our kids have access to a school that combines such joy, rigor, and excellent teaching. Have you ever BEEN in a KIPP PreK classroom?



I have, as a consultant. Again, based on what I've experienced I'd not put my child in a KIPP, Appletree or Rocketship. I prefer that my child and her peers be spoken to and treated respectfully, not as if she were some future prisoner. To be fair, the schools that I've been in are the ones located in Wards 7 and 8. Not sure what the culture of these schools is like in the other wards.
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