USMNT Head Coach thread

[Anonymous]

And to be very clear, what I mean by that is that this discussion is pointless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just an opinion, but I think the change you seek will not be made with the selection of the manager.

You need US Soccer leadership to change to get what you're looking for.

+1

Unfortunately, it looks like we're going to have to sink even farther down before that will happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And to be very clear, what I mean by that is that this discussion is pointless.

People who have sons in the development pipeline don't see this as pointless. If things don't change, many of those who can will start exploring options outside the iron grip of US Soccer/MLS.

[Anonymous]

Arsene Wenger!

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Anonymous wrote:It must kill you that even with the recent crappy results, Arena's stats are still better than Klinsmann.

Nothing written above demonstrates that Arena left a bigger mess than Klinsmann. We made the WC in 2006. The team was in shambles when Klinsmann left.

No, because I don't care. What I care about is using Klinsmann as a scapegoat to avoid the real problems: US Soccer and MLS. Stats are nothing if you can't win big games. And that will come with two things neither US Soccer nor MLS does well: Player development and coach development.

Our problems are structural and won't be solved by hiring someone like JCO or Tata. But US Soccer trying to rig the choice for Berhalter shows that they have learned absolutely nothing from the past four years. Not. A. Single. Thing. Just reinforcing mediocrity.

Klinsmann would still be coaching if he did not say that our best players, especially young ones, should not settle for comfy mediocrity of MLS, but instead they should strive to play in Europe.

It is the truth. He was 100% correct. It’s where old FIFA players go to retire, when they are no longer in their prime. We can’t hang with them in their prime. MLS is at slow speed.

Not disputing that the players should play in Europe (obvious to everyone with a brain, including US soccer), but we would have been better off if he had stayed. He lost control of the team completely and did not do a good job cultivating the infusion of new blood into the team. That alone would have helped with the player issues alluded to above.

The fact is that there are some political aspects to his job and he should have just kept his big mouth shut on player movement to Europe. That he couldn’t do that is another strike against him, but not the only one. That was the least of the problems he left. I don’t know why anyone would keep trying to defend the indefensible on this other than the pure dogma that foreign = better at any cost.

Really sounds just like a bunch of soccer moms wowed by the new Brit running a soccer clinic down the street. Man, he must be a soccer genius with that accent....

F@ck you. It tends to be the dads with their head up the coaches asses that are wooed by that kind of thing, prancing along behind him in their full FIFA warm up suits. The biggest sychophants are the dads. I sit there and watch it happen constantly and most of them never played the sport.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And to be very clear, what I mean by that is that this discussion is pointless.

People who have sons in the development pipeline don't see this as pointless. If things don't change, many of those who can will start exploring options outside the iron grip of US Soccer/MLS.

Despite the fact that the DA system seems to be working, and it's producing lots of players that are going overseas to play?

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Anonymous wrote:And to be very clear, what I mean by that is that this discussion is pointless.

People who have sons in the development pipeline don't see this as pointless. If things don't change, many of those who can will start exploring options outside the iron grip of US Soccer/MLS.

Despite the fact that the DA system seems to be working, and it's producing lots of players that are going overseas to play?

"Seems to be" is a good way to put it. I have concerns after our club decided to drop DA and one of the reasons we were told for the decision is that DA is going to give preference to teams from MLS clubs in the future. If true, that would limit both the non-MLS development opportunities and the chances to go overseas.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And to be very clear, what I mean by that is that this discussion is pointless.

People who have sons in the development pipeline don't see this as pointless. If things don't change, many of those who can will start exploring options outside the iron grip of US Soccer/MLS.

Despite the fact that the DA system seems to be working, and it's producing lots of players that are going overseas to play?

"Seems to be" is a good way to put it. I have concerns after our club decided to drop DA and one of the reasons we were told for the decision is that DA is going to give preference to teams from MLS clubs in the future. If true, that would limit both the non-MLS development opportunities and the chances to go overseas.

A big problem with MLS-controlled development is the league's territoriality rule. If you live in the DMV, you either go to DC United or you don't go to an MLS club, because they won't take you. If you've heard that Dallas has a better youth program, or Philadelphia has a coach you'd like your kid to work with, you have to make a permanent move to get in. Just another thing MLS does that other countries don't do which handicaps the US system vs. those countries' NTs.

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Anonymous wrote:And to be very clear, what I mean by that is that this discussion is pointless.

People who have sons in the development pipeline don't see this as pointless. If things don't change, many of those who can will start exploring options outside the iron grip of US Soccer/MLS.

Despite the fact that the DA system seems to be working, and it's producing lots of players that are going overseas to play?

"Seems to be" is a good way to put it. I have concerns after our club decided to drop DA and one of the reasons we were told for the decision is that DA is going to give preference to teams from MLS clubs in the future. If true, that would limit both the non-MLS development opportunities and the chances to go overseas.

How would that limit the chances to go overseas?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And to be very clear, what I mean by that is that this discussion is pointless.

People who have sons in the development pipeline don't see this as pointless. If things don't change, many of those who can will start exploring options outside the iron grip of US Soccer/MLS.

Despite the fact that the DA system seems to be working, and it's producing lots of players that are going overseas to play?

"Seems to be" is a good way to put it. I have concerns after our club decided to drop DA and one of the reasons we were told for the decision is that DA is going to give preference to teams from MLS clubs in the future. If true, that would limit both the non-MLS development opportunities and the chances to go overseas.

How would that limit the chances to go overseas?

The club owns your rights.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And to be very clear, what I mean by that is that this discussion is pointless.

People who have sons in the development pipeline don't see this as pointless. If things don't change, many of those who can will start exploring options outside the iron grip of US Soccer/MLS.

Despite the fact that the DA system seems to be working, and it's producing lots of players that are going overseas to play?

"Seems to be" is a good way to put it. I have concerns after our club decided to drop DA and one of the reasons we were told for the decision is that DA is going to give preference to teams from MLS clubs in the future. If true, that would limit both the non-MLS development opportunities and the chances to go overseas.

How would that limit the chances to go overseas?

The club owns your rights.

Not at the DA level they don't.

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Anonymous wrote:And to be very clear, what I mean by that is that this discussion is pointless.

People who have sons in the development pipeline don't see this as pointless. If things don't change, many of those who can will start exploring options outside the iron grip of US Soccer/MLS.

Despite the fact that the DA system seems to be working, and it's producing lots of players that are going overseas to play?

"Seems to be" is a good way to put it. I have concerns after our club decided to drop DA and one of the reasons we were told for the decision is that DA is going to give preference to teams from MLS clubs in the future. If true, that would limit both the non-MLS development opportunities and the chances to go overseas.

How would that limit the chances to go overseas?

The club owns your rights.

Not at the DA level they don't.

MLS DA clubs do own your player rights. You have to sign with them.

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Anonymous wrote:And to be very clear, what I mean by that is that this discussion is pointless.

People who have sons in the development pipeline don't see this as pointless. If things don't change, many of those who can will start exploring options outside the iron grip of US Soccer/MLS.

Despite the fact that the DA system seems to be working, and it's producing lots of players that are going overseas to play?

"Seems to be" is a good way to put it. I have concerns after our club decided to drop DA and one of the reasons we were told for the decision is that DA is going to give preference to teams from MLS clubs in the future. If true, that would limit both the non-MLS development opportunities and the chances to go overseas.

How would that limit the chances to go overseas?

The club owns your rights.

Not at the DA level they don't.

MLS DA clubs do own your player rights. You have to sign with them.

They don't own your player rights unless the player signs a professional contract. DAs (MLS and local non-MLS clubs) do not sign professional contracts with their players. MLS is a single entity so there are no MLS clubs, there are MLS franchises, just like McDonalds.

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Anonymous wrote:It must kill you that even with the recent crappy results, Arena's stats are still better than Klinsmann.

Nothing written above demonstrates that Arena left a bigger mess than Klinsmann. We made the WC in 2006. The team was in shambles when Klinsmann left.

No, because I don't care. What I care about is using Klinsmann as a scapegoat to avoid the real problems: US Soccer and MLS. Stats are nothing if you can't win big games. And that will come with two things neither US Soccer nor MLS does well: Player development and coach development.

Our problems are structural and won't be solved by hiring someone like JCO or Tata. But US Soccer trying to rig the choice for Berhalter shows that they have learned absolutely nothing from the past four years. Not. A. Single. Thing. Just reinforcing mediocrity.

Klinsmann would still be coaching if he did not say that our best players, especially young ones, should not settle for comfy mediocrity of MLS, but instead they should strive to play in Europe.

It is the truth. He was 100% correct. It’s where old FIFA players go to retire, when they are no longer in their prime. We can’t hang with them in their prime. MLS is at slow speed.

Not disputing that the players should play in Europe (obvious to everyone with a brain, including US soccer), but we would have been better off if he had stayed. He lost control of the team completely and did not do a good job cultivating the infusion of new blood into the team. That alone would have helped with the player issues alluded to above.

The fact is that there are some political aspects to his job and he should have just kept his big mouth shut on player movement to Europe. That he couldn’t do that is another strike against him, but not the only one. That was the least of the problems he left. I don’t know why anyone would keep trying to defend the indefensible on this other than the pure dogma that foreign = better at any cost.

Really sounds just like a bunch of soccer moms wowed by the new Brit running a soccer clinic down the street. Man, he must be a soccer genius with that accent....

F@ck you. It tends to be the dads with their head up the coaches asses that are wooed by that kind of thing, prancing along behind him in their full FIFA warm up suits. The biggest sychophants are the dads. I sit there and watch it happen constantly and most of them never played the sport.

Ooooh, you’re fiesty; I like that! Single or married? Let’s grab a drink, promise not to wear my special edition Ronaldo warm ups.

On the positive side for Berkhalter, the bar is so low here that all he has to do is seem halfway competent to greatly exceed expectations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It must kill you that even with the recent crappy results, Arena's stats are still better than Klinsmann.

Nothing written above demonstrates that Arena left a bigger mess than Klinsmann. We made the WC in 2006. The team was in shambles when Klinsmann left.

No, because I don't care. What I care about is using Klinsmann as a scapegoat to avoid the real problems: US Soccer and MLS. Stats are nothing if you can't win big games. And that will come with two things neither US Soccer nor MLS does well: Player development and coach development.

Our problems are structural and won't be solved by hiring someone like JCO or Tata. But US Soccer trying to rig the choice for Berhalter shows that they have learned absolutely nothing from the past four years. Not. A. Single. Thing. Just reinforcing mediocrity.

Klinsmann would still be coaching if he did not say that our best players, especially young ones, should not settle for comfy mediocrity of MLS, but instead they should strive to play in Europe.

It is the truth. He was 100% correct. It’s where old FIFA players go to retire, when they are no longer in their prime. We can’t hang with them in their prime. MLS is at slow speed.

Not disputing that the players should play in Europe (obvious to everyone with a brain, including US soccer), but we would have been better off if he had stayed. He lost control of the team completely and did not do a good job cultivating the infusion of new blood into the team. That alone would have helped with the player issues alluded to above.

The fact is that there are some political aspects to his job and he should have just kept his big mouth shut on player movement to Europe. That he couldn’t do that is another strike against him, but not the only one. That was the least of the problems he left. I don’t know why anyone would keep trying to defend the indefensible on this other than the pure dogma that foreign = better at any cost.

Really sounds just like a bunch of soccer moms wowed by the new Brit running a soccer clinic down the street. Man, he must be a soccer genius with that accent....

F@ck you. It tends to be the dads with their head up the coaches asses that are wooed by that kind of thing, prancing along behind him in their full FIFA warm up suits. The biggest sychophants are the dads. I sit there and watch it happen constantly and most of them never played the sport.

Ooooh, you’re fiesty; I like that! Single or married? Let’s grab a drink, promise not to wear my special edition Ronaldo warm ups.

On the positive side for Berkhalter, the bar is so low here that all he has to do is seem halfway competent to greatly exceed expectations.

If you're going to be a complete asshole, at least spell Berhalter's name right.