USMNT Head Coach thread

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Arena’s first stint record was better than Klinsmann, by the numbers and specifically 2002 WC performance. You can not credibly argue Klinsmann’s results were better than Arena in his first stint, they’re just not.

There are many more, public references of players who had bad things to say about Klinsmann. So what that someone said he wouldn’t have lost WC qualifying this time around. The team was a mess and the losses that came at the end of his run weren’t inspiring in bolstering that idea, to say the least.

The fact remains that he did nothing in the five years he had to make the case that a foreign manager is better than an American, even if I concede that Arena’s 98-06 results are equivalent to Jurgen’s (they’re not, Arena’s were better). His recognition that our top players should play in Europe does not count as a single point in the case that he’s the better manager of the team.

One view posed above is the conspiratorial notion that the selection of a Berkhalter is rigged. Another, simpler explanation is that they are gun shy to target another foreign head coach after the mess that was left by the last one.

Klinsmann first stint was with Germany and he took them to semifinals, which is something Arena will never achieve. Klinsmann's second stint was with USMNT and he advanced from the group of death, whereas Arena has failed to qualify for the WC. I find it ridiculous that some blame Klinsmann for failing to qualify, when he only coached 2 games in Hexagonal against two strongest teams in our region, Mexico and Costa Rica. The USSF was waiting for the first excuse to fire him and put their man in. Arena coached 8 Hex games, including the loss to Trinidad and Tobago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Arena’s first stint record was better than Klinsmann, by the numbers and specifically 2002 WC performance. You can not credibly argue Klinsmann’s results were better than Arena in his first stint, they’re just not.

There are many more, public references of players who had bad things to say about Klinsmann. So what that someone said he wouldn’t have lost WC qualifying this time around. The team was a mess and the losses that came at the end of his run weren’t inspiring in bolstering that idea, to say the least.

The fact remains that he did nothing in the five years he had to make the case that a foreign manager is better than an American, even if I concede that Arena’s 98-06 results are equivalent to Jurgen’s (they’re not, Arena’s were better). His recognition that our top players should play in Europe does not count as a single point in the case that he’s the better manager of the team.

One view posed above is the conspiratorial notion that the selection of a Berkhalter is rigged. Another, simpler explanation is that they are gun shy to target another foreign head coach after the mess that was left by the last one.

Klinsmann first stint was with Germany and he took them to semifinals, which is something Arena will never achieve. Klinsmann's second stint was with USMNT and he advanced from the group of death, whereas Arena has failed to qualify for the WC. I find it ridiculous that some blame Klinsmann for failing to qualify, when he only coached 2 games in Hexagonal against two strongest teams in our region, Mexico and Costa Rica. The USSF was waiting for the first excuse to fire him and put their man in. Arena coached 8 Hex games, including the loss to Trinidad and Tobago.

With all due respect, you can’t compare anything other than the performance of the men with the USMNT. That’s the only apples to apples comparison. What I find ridiculous is that this is the hill you choose to die upon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Arena’s first stint record was better than Klinsmann, by the numbers and specifically 2002 WC performance. You can not credibly argue Klinsmann’s results were better than Arena in his first stint, they’re just not.

There are many more, public references of players who had bad things to say about Klinsmann. So what that someone said he wouldn’t have lost WC qualifying this time around. The team was a mess and the losses that came at the end of his run weren’t inspiring in bolstering that idea, to say the least.

The fact remains that he did nothing in the five years he had to make the case that a foreign manager is better than an American, even if I concede that Arena’s 98-06 results are equivalent to Jurgen’s (they’re not, Arena’s were better). His recognition that our top players should play in Europe does not count as a single point in the case that he’s the better manager of the team.

One view posed above is the conspiratorial notion that the selection of a Berkhalter is rigged. Another, simpler explanation is that they are gun shy to target another foreign head coach after the mess that was left by the last one.

If US Soccer's leadership shied away from JCO or Tata -- who have both coached in the US -- because Klinsmann was a foreigner, then they are even stupider than I ever imagined.

As for the rigged process, what else do you want to call a "search" in which only two people were interviewed, and only one of them seriously?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Arena’s first stint record was better than Klinsmann, by the numbers and specifically 2002 WC performance. You can not credibly argue Klinsmann’s results were better than Arena in his first stint, they’re just not.

There are many more, public references of players who had bad things to say about Klinsmann. So what that someone said he wouldn’t have lost WC qualifying this time around. The team was a mess and the losses that came at the end of his run weren’t inspiring in bolstering that idea, to say the least.

The fact remains that he did nothing in the five years he had to make the case that a foreign manager is better than an American, even if I concede that Arena’s 98-06 results are equivalent to Jurgen’s (they’re not, Arena’s were better). His recognition that our top players should play in Europe does not count as a single point in the case that he’s the better manager of the team.

One view posed above is the conspiratorial notion that the selection of a Berkhalter is rigged. Another, simpler explanation is that they are gun shy to target another foreign head coach after the mess that was left by the last one.

I’d say Arena is more responsible for 2018 than Klinsmann, since he was in charge of 4 times as many games in the hexagonal. Who is a tougher team to beat, Mexico or Belgium?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Arena’s first stint record was better than Klinsmann, by the numbers and specifically 2002 WC performance. You can not credibly argue Klinsmann’s results were better than Arena in his first stint, they’re just not.

There are many more, public references of players who had bad things to say about Klinsmann. So what that someone said he wouldn’t have lost WC qualifying this time around. The team was a mess and the losses that came at the end of his run weren’t inspiring in bolstering that idea, to say the least.

The fact remains that he did nothing in the five years he had to make the case that a foreign manager is better than an American, even if I concede that Arena’s 98-06 results are equivalent to Jurgen’s (they’re not, Arena’s were better). His recognition that our top players should play in Europe does not count as a single point in the case that he’s the better manager of the team.

One view posed above is the conspiratorial notion that the selection of a Berkhalter is rigged. Another, simpler explanation is that they are gun shy to target another foreign head coach after the mess that was left by the last one.

If US Soccer's leadership shied away from JCO or Tata -- who have both coached in the US -- because Klinsmann was a foreigner, then they are even stupider than I ever imagined.

As for the rigged process, what else do you want to call a "search" in which only two people were interviewed, and only one of them seriously?

It may have nothing to do with stupidity and everything to do with trust. How do you hire your staff in the real world, just curious?

[Anonymous]

This sport is about much more than trust and running hard.

[Anonymous]

Lol so is life, my friend. But trust comes before all else, as you know I’d you’be ever been in a position of power.

[Anonymous]

^^^ if you’ve

[Anonymous]

I can't even imagine the folks at the FMF fretting over hiring a world-class coach because he's not Mexican. They want to win the World Cup, not score nationalist brownie points.

US Soccer's thought processes are out of touch with reality. Don't forget they hired Klinsmann because they wanted a foreign "savior." Why can't they just hire the best available coach?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Arena’s first stint record was better than Klinsmann, by the numbers and specifically 2002 WC performance. You can not credibly argue Klinsmann’s results were better than Arena in his first stint, they’re just not.

There are many more, public references of players who had bad things to say about Klinsmann. So what that someone said he wouldn’t have lost WC qualifying this time around. The team was a mess and the losses that came at the end of his run weren’t inspiring in bolstering that idea, to say the least.

The fact remains that he did nothing in the five years he had to make the case that a foreign manager is better than an American, even if I concede that Arena’s 98-06 results are equivalent to Jurgen’s (they’re not, Arena’s were better). His recognition that our top players should play in Europe does not count as a single point in the case that he’s the better manager of the team.

One view posed above is the conspiratorial notion that the selection of a Berkhalter is rigged. Another, simpler explanation is that they are gun shy to target another foreign head coach after the mess that was left by the last one.

If US Soccer's leadership shied away from JCO or Tata -- who have both coached in the US -- because Klinsmann was a foreigner, then they are even stupider than I ever imagined.

As for the rigged process, what else do you want to call a "search" in which only two people were interviewed, and only one of them seriously?

It may have nothing to do with stupidity and everything to do with trust. How do you hire your staff in the real world, just curious?

How about hiring someone with relevant experience? Hard to trust someone who's never done the job you want him to do. And the fact that people who had the experience were available and were dissed makes it even more jaw-droppingly ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Arena’s first stint record was better than Klinsmann, by the numbers and specifically 2002 WC performance. You can not credibly argue Klinsmann’s results were better than Arena in his first stint, they’re just not.

There are many more, public references of players who had bad things to say about Klinsmann. So what that someone said he wouldn’t have lost WC qualifying this time around. The team was a mess and the losses that came at the end of his run weren’t inspiring in bolstering that idea, to say the least.

The fact remains that he did nothing in the five years he had to make the case that a foreign manager is better than an American, even if I concede that Arena’s 98-06 results are equivalent to Jurgen’s (they’re not, Arena’s were better). His recognition that our top players should play in Europe does not count as a single point in the case that he’s the better manager of the team.

One view posed above is the conspiratorial notion that the selection of a Berkhalter is rigged. Another, simpler explanation is that they are gun shy to target another foreign head coach after the mess that was left by the last one.

I’d say Arena is more responsible for 2018 than Klinsmann, since he was in charge of 4 times as many games in the hexagonal. Who is a tougher team to beat, Mexico or Belgium?

Belgium is ranked #1 right now. And guess what? Their coach is Spanish.

And the Colombian guy who beat Germany with Mexico just this past summer, the guy who coached the Chicago Fire and the NY Red Bulls, got tired of waiting for an interview and went to Paraguay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Arena’s first stint record was better than Klinsmann, by the numbers and specifically 2002 WC performance. You can not credibly argue Klinsmann’s results were better than Arena in his first stint, they’re just not.

There are many more, public references of players who had bad things to say about Klinsmann. So what that someone said he wouldn’t have lost WC qualifying this time around. The team was a mess and the losses that came at the end of his run weren’t inspiring in bolstering that idea, to say the least.

The fact remains that he did nothing in the five years he had to make the case that a foreign manager is better than an American, even if I concede that Arena’s 98-06 results are equivalent to Jurgen’s (they’re not, Arena’s were better). His recognition that our top players should play in Europe does not count as a single point in the case that he’s the better manager of the team.

One view posed above is the conspiratorial notion that the selection of a Berkhalter is rigged. Another, simpler explanation is that they are gun shy to target another foreign head coach after the mess that was left by the last one.

Klinsmann first stint was with Germany and he took them to semifinals, which is something Arena will never achieve. Klinsmann's second stint was with USMNT and he advanced from the group of death, whereas Arena has failed to qualify for the WC. I find it ridiculous that some blame Klinsmann for failing to qualify, when he only coached 2 games in Hexagonal against two strongest teams in our region, Mexico and Costa Rica. The USSF was waiting for the first excuse to fire him and put their man in. Arena coached 8 Hex games, including the loss to Trinidad and Tobago.

With all due respect, you can’t compare anything other than the performance of the men with the USMNT. That’s the only apples to apples comparison. What I find ridiculous is that this is the hill you choose to die upon.

Nobody needs to die. We can agree to disagree. Germany had more talent than USMNT, I will give you that, but taking that young team to the WC semifinal was not a small achievement. Arena had a lot more talent on his team in 2002 (the most talented US squad ever) and even in 2006, than Klinsmann had during his stint with the USMNT. In 2014, Klinsmann's best players were Clint Dempsey, who was over 30, and Tim Howard. And they still advanced from the group of death sending Ghana and Ronaldo's Portugal home early and if Wondo did not miss a sitter against Belgium they would have been in the quarterfinals. It was not a particularly talented team, but they overachieved. You cannot say ignore his results with Germany because Germany is more talented, and then start comparing the 2002 team with 2014 team that was not nearly as talented. In my mind, neither Arena nor Klinsmann is a world class coach, but Klinsmann was the first national team coach who challenged the status quo in our system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Arena’s first stint record was better than Klinsmann, by the numbers and specifically 2002 WC performance. You can not credibly argue Klinsmann’s results were better than Arena in his first stint, they’re just not.

There are many more, public references of players who had bad things to say about Klinsmann. So what that someone said he wouldn’t have lost WC qualifying this time around. The team was a mess and the losses that came at the end of his run weren’t inspiring in bolstering that idea, to say the least.

The fact remains that he did nothing in the five years he had to make the case that a foreign manager is better than an American, even if I concede that Arena’s 98-06 results are equivalent to Jurgen’s (they’re not, Arena’s were better). His recognition that our top players should play in Europe does not count as a single point in the case that he’s the better manager of the team.

One view posed above is the conspiratorial notion that the selection of a Berkhalter is rigged. Another, simpler explanation is that they are gun shy to target another foreign head coach after the mess that was left by the last one.

If US Soccer's leadership shied away from JCO or Tata -- who have both coached in the US -- because Klinsmann was a foreigner, then they are even stupider than I ever imagined.

As for the rigged process, what else do you want to call a "search" in which only two people were interviewed, and only one of them seriously?

It may have nothing to do with stupidity and everything to do with trust. How do you hire your staff in the real world, just curious?

The only thing you can trust about Berhalter is he won't rock the MLS boat. But that's not gonna do squat for the future of our national team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Arena’s first stint record was better than Klinsmann, by the numbers and specifically 2002 WC performance. You can not credibly argue Klinsmann’s results were better than Arena in his first stint, they’re just not.

There are many more, public references of players who had bad things to say about Klinsmann. So what that someone said he wouldn’t have lost WC qualifying this time around. The team was a mess and the losses that came at the end of his run weren’t inspiring in bolstering that idea, to say the least.

The fact remains that he did nothing in the five years he had to make the case that a foreign manager is better than an American, even if I concede that Arena’s 98-06 results are equivalent to Jurgen’s (they’re not, Arena’s were better). His recognition that our top players should play in Europe does not count as a single point in the case that he’s the better manager of the team.

One view posed above is the conspiratorial notion that the selection of a Berkhalter is rigged. Another, simpler explanation is that they are gun shy to target another foreign head coach after the mess that was left by the last one.

I’d say Arena is more responsible for 2018 than Klinsmann, since he was in charge of 4 times as many games in the hexagonal. Who is a tougher team to beat, Mexico or Belgium?

Belgium is ranked #1 right now. And guess what? Their coach is Spanish.

And the Colombian guy who beat Germany with Mexico just this past summer, the guy who coached the Chicago Fire and the NY Red Bulls, got tired of waiting for an interview and went to Paraguay.

+1. Tata, Osorio and Lopetugui have all successfully coached national teams in the past, but not seriously considered because USSF prefers a guy with zero coaching experience at international level and mediocre MLS record.

[Anonymous]

Just an opinion, but I think the change you seek will not be made with the selection of the manager.

You need US Soccer leadership to change to get what you're looking for.