Tipping/Gratuity on Restaurant tab - FIL tipped 11-12%!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well, lets change the way the restaurants charge.
Tip should be included in the price of the food, and the menu should reflect this.
That is how it is elsewhere. Staff are employees with wages and customers pay through their bills, like elsewhere.
They are not beggars and should not have to rely on customers benevolence

100% agree. And I really don't think anyone meant any harm in discussing their observations as waiters as to who tips and who doesn't. Not sure why the one poster took it so personally.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well, lets change the way the restaurants charge.
Tip should be included in the price of the food, and the menu should reflect this.
That is how it is elsewhere. Staff are employees with wages and customers pay through their bills, like elsewhere.
They are not beggars and should not have to rely on customers benevolence

100% agree. And I really don't think anyone meant any harm in discussing their observations as waiters as to who tips and who doesn't. Not sure why the one poster took it so personally.

Here's a restaurant that does that:

"Instead of working for tips, we address the costs of providing table service by including an 18% charge for dining-in guests. We do not accept any gratuities.

(If you’d really like to express extra gratitude at the end of your meal, you can leave cash behind as a donation to our charity of the month, which is listed on the menu.)

We believe that charging for service and declining tips is an appropriate option for professionals in any industry including hospitality.

Our service revenue, like all our revenue, is distributed among everyone who works here (which is not allowed with tips). This is us living the truth that everybody here is fully responsible for the quality of your experience, and that we all work together to give you the best food, drink and service possible."

http://www.thelinkery.com/notipping.php

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/12/magazine/12tipping-t.html

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well, lets change the way the restaurants charge.
Tip should be included in the price of the food, and the menu should reflect this.
That is how it is elsewhere. Staff are employees with wages and customers pay through their bills, like elsewhere.
They are not beggars and should not have to rely on customers benevolence

100% agree. And I really don't think anyone meant any harm in discussing their observations as waiters as to who tips and who doesn't. Not sure why the one poster took it so personally.

Here's a restaurant that does that:

"Instead of working for tips, we address the costs of providing table service by including an 18% charge for dining-in guests. We do not accept any gratuities.

(If you’d really like to express extra gratitude at the end of your meal, you can leave cash behind as a donation to our charity of the month, which is listed on the menu.)

We believe that charging for service and declining tips is an appropriate option for professionals in any industry including hospitality.

Our service revenue, like all our revenue, is distributed among everyone who works here (which is not allowed with tips). This is us living the truth that everybody here is fully responsible for the quality of your experience, and that we all work together to give you the best food, drink and service possible."

http://www.thelinkery.com/notipping.php

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/12/magazine/12tipping-t.html

Per Se operates the same way.

[Anonymous]

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I have been following this forum for three months and always some one raises their ugly head and make their bigotry known. If it is not the Jews, its the Blacks, if it is not the Blacks it is the Catholics, if not the Catholics the Latinos. Oh, and how could I forget about the "two many Asians" in the school. When I became a parent, this group was recommended to obtain some supposed valuable inforation, NOT. It is full of angry, bitter women who feel empowered when denigrating others. Yikes. WTF.

I agree all the way. I'm usually the only one calling people out for the generalizations and stereotypes about Black people. People on this board only get upset if they feel like you're slighting Jews. In those cases they are quick to bust out the bigot word. Nice to know I'm not the only one that notices how all the trash talking about Blacks is ok on here. Not enough of us on here to call people out on it though.
Also, I think it's hilarious that people would see me walk into a restaurant and ask not to have me seated in their section. My friends constantly tell me I'm crazy for the amount I tip. I tip 20% at a minimum. I don't really care what the service is like (unless it was horrific, which doesn't ever happen). Those servers can generalize themselves out of a big tip. And the ones that would jump to serve someone like OP's family will feel like idiots when they get that small tip. But they would still jump to serve them next time. Funny how receiving a big tip from a Black person or a small tip from non-blacks wouldn't stop someone from believing these stupid generalizations.

So you are slamming the jews? Calling it...

What slam? There are a lot of Jewish people on this board. If someone says anything remotely offensive they are called out for it. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. They should be. There is no similar outrage when it's about Black people. Simply not enough on the board and people don't care. A lot just nod their heads and chalk it up as true.

Have you considered that the "anti-semitic thread" was recognizable by its title? Whereas no one would know this thread contained anti-black remarks just from looking at the title?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well, lets change the way the restaurants charge.
Tip should be included in the price of the food, and the menu should reflect this.
That is how it is elsewhere. Staff are employees with wages and customers pay through their bills, like elsewhere.
They are not beggars and should not have to rely on customers benevolence

100% agree. And I really don't think anyone meant any harm in discussing their observations as waiters as to who tips and who doesn't. Not sure why the one poster took it so personally.

They may not have meant any harm but it is hurtful when people keep fueling negative stereotypes. Whether they try to chalk it up to their observations or not. I can give a ton of examples of this (involving all different races) and I don't see how anyone couldn't agree it's just not a good idea to do this. And FYI it isn't just that one poster you're offending.

[Anonymous]

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I have been following this forum for three months and always some one raises their ugly head and make their bigotry known. If it is not the Jews, its the Blacks, if it is not the Blacks it is the Catholics, if not the Catholics the Latinos. Oh, and how could I forget about the "two many Asians" in the school. When I became a parent, this group was recommended to obtain some supposed valuable inforation, NOT. It is full of angry, bitter women who feel empowered when denigrating others. Yikes. WTF.

I agree all the way. I'm usually the only one calling people out for the generalizations and stereotypes about Black people. People on this board only get upset if they feel like you're slighting Jews. In those cases they are quick to bust out the bigot word. Nice to know I'm not the only one that notices how all the trash talking about Blacks is ok on here. Not enough of us on here to call people out on it though.
Also, I think it's hilarious that people would see me walk into a restaurant and ask not to have me seated in their section. My friends constantly tell me I'm crazy for the amount I tip. I tip 20% at a minimum. I don't really care what the service is like (unless it was horrific, which doesn't ever happen). Those servers can generalize themselves out of a big tip. And the ones that would jump to serve someone like OP's family will feel like idiots when they get that small tip. But they would still jump to serve them next time. Funny how receiving a big tip from a Black person or a small tip from non-blacks wouldn't stop someone from believing these stupid generalizations.

So you are slamming the jews? Calling it...

What slam? There are a lot of Jewish people on this board. If someone says anything remotely offensive they are called out for it. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. They should be. There is no similar outrage when it's about Black people. Simply not enough on the board and people don't care. A lot just nod their heads and chalk it up as true.

Have you considered that the "anti-semitic thread" was recognizable by its title? Whereas no one would know this thread contained anti-black remarks just from looking at the title?

That particular one may have been but there are plenty where it's not so obvious. The thread about the mom returning used stockings to Gymboree comes to mind. Somebody piped in that she must've been Jewish because every Jew, in her experience, was cheap. Sounds like the same nonsense being spouted here. But for some reason everyone sees that is an offensive and not true stereotype but if it's Blacks not tipping people here say "well it must be true" because servers agree. Seems hypocritical to me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well, lets change the way the restaurants charge.
Tip should be included in the price of the food, and the menu should reflect this.
That is how it is elsewhere. Staff are employees with wages and customers pay through their bills, like elsewhere.
They are not beggars and should not have to rely on customers benevolence

100% agree. And I really don't think anyone meant any harm in discussing their observations as waiters as to who tips and who doesn't. Not sure why the one poster took it so personally.

They may not have meant any harm but it is hurtful when people keep fueling negative stereotypes. Whether they try to chalk it up to their observations or not. I can give a ton of examples of this (involving all different races) and I don't see how anyone couldn't agree it's just not a good idea to do this. And FYI it isn't just that one poster you're offending.

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to me, that is exactly what AG Holder meant when he said we were a nation of cowards when it comes to discussing race issues. Nothing wrong at all with an open dialogue about race - in fact, in my opinion nothing but good can come of it. i'd love to hear all of your observations with respect to all races.

[Anonymous]

When I was waiting tables in the mid-90's (fairly nice restaurant) we had a whiteboard in the kitchen where we would write down the lowest tips we received. We also had codes for the certain type of people they were. The lowest was $0.02. Our average was the lowest tippers were 97 percent black. The black servers in the restaurant didn't even want to wait on black diners! Obviously there are enough of us that have shared this exact same experience that we don't need a cited study. Black people generally don't tip well.

[Anonymous]

"to me, that is exactly what AG Holder meant when he said we were a nation of cowards when it comes to discussing race issues. Nothing wrong at all with an open dialogue about race - in fact, in my opinion nothing but good can come of it. i'd love to hear all of your observations with respect to all races."

Well I don't mind discussing race, but I think we're talking about two different things. I don't form concrete ideas or assumptions about people based on the color of their skin. There are too many times where I'd be wrong and I don't think it serves any purpose. It is hurtful and incredibly annoying for the people that don't fit that generalization. It makes so much more sense to me that where and how a person is raised would have much more to do with the person they are rather then the color of their skin. I've come across so many people that think they already know so much about me just because they see I'm Black. It's irritating. My husband thinks it's funny to say Asians can't drive. I don't think it's funny and it doesn't matter how many times somebody does something dangerous on the road and he points out that they are Asian. Doesn't it seem silly (and mean) to believe that because someone is born Asian that they don't know how to drive a car? Not to mention that the many times the person isn't Asian it still wouldn't change his perception. He just doesn't even notice. Saying Black people don't tip well is the same thing to me. Although, now that I know people already think they know I'm going to tip like crap it is tempting to do so. But I wouldn't because that's not who I am. So stop telling me that it is because I'm Black. And I would love to know what servers do for people who's skin color they can't peg? Why are we still pigeon holing people in this day and age? We are so far beyond this country being just Black, White and everyone else. Aren't we?

[Anonymous]

look at the traffic accidents per capita in asian countries. amazing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:look at the traffic accidents per capita in asian countries. amazing.

Ughhhh!! OK I give up. This board drives me nuts sometimes.

[Anonymous]

Holy crap, has this jumped the rails. The OP's FIL is cheap, and 6 pages later, we have people talking about how certain ethnic groups don't tip well. WTF?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:look at the traffic accidents per capita in asian countries. amazing.

Maybe they are from a place where it isn't common to own a car like in a poor country or where most people take public transportation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Holy crap, has this jumped the rails. The OP's FIL is cheap, and 6 pages later, we have people talking about how certain ethnic groups don't tip well. WTF?

Yeah, I find myself looking at friends and neighbors and imagining the bizarre things that I now (as a result of this board) believe must be in their heads. Wow.

[Anonymous]

well i've been to multiple asian countries (which obviously makes me an expert in asiana) and i can definitively tell you that their driving is awful. and did i mention i'm an expert?