Two paths to magnet program at Richard Montgomery High School

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, you do realize that your kid will earn a IB diploma, same as kids who attend the non selective IB schools, right?

Nothing is actually being taken away from your child by offering home school kids an opportunity to participate in a program housed at their school.

OP seems to think something is being taken away from OP's child. Though I don't know what.

[Anonymous]

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Are you playing obtuse here? "Magnet" IB was promised, "Regular" IB was delivered.

How is it "regular" if there are also 100 students who tested in?

Is this like if you went to an Ivy league and were told it's the most elite school, then you find out that they actually let in students who didn't score as high as your DC on the SATs? Did this somehow make the Ivy league any less rigorous or prestigious? Do the "elite" students suffer from having students who didn't score as high on their SATs?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, you do realize that your kid will earn a IB diploma, same as kids who attend the non selective IB schools, right?

Nothing is actually being taken away from your child by offering home school kids an opportunity to participate in a program housed at their school.

I already responded to your first question.

What is being taken away is "magnet" rigor and "magnet" resources that the kids were promised in exchange for their sacrifices to join a school away from the comfort of their home school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, you do realize that your kid will earn a IB diploma, same as kids who attend the non selective IB schools, right?

Nothing is actually being taken away from your child by offering home school kids an opportunity to participate in a program housed at their school.

I already responded to your first question.

What is being taken away is "magnet" rigor and "magnet" resources that the kids were promised in exchange for their sacrifices to join a school away from the comfort of their home school.

How?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, you do realize that your kid will earn a IB diploma, same as kids who attend the non selective IB schools, right?

Nothing is actually being taken away from your child by offering home school kids an opportunity to participate in a program housed at their school.

I already responded to your first question.

What is being taken away is "magnet" rigor and "magnet" resources that the kids were promised in exchange for their sacrifices to join a school away from the comfort of their home school.

How?

When significant portion of the class is filled with kids who did not specifically qualify for the magnet rigor, the teacher cannot deliver instruction at that rigor without leaving those kids behind.

When limited resources is used for more than what they were planned for individual magnet students get less than they need.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, you do realize that your kid will earn a IB diploma, same as kids who attend the non selective IB schools, right?

Nothing is actually being taken away from your child by offering home school kids an opportunity to participate in a program housed at their school.

I already responded to your first question.

What is being taken away is "magnet" rigor and "magnet" resources that the kids were promised in exchange for their sacrifices to join a school away from the comfort of their home school.

How?

When significant portion of the class is filled with kids who did not specifically qualify for the magnet rigor, the teacher cannot deliver instruction at that rigor without leaving those kids behind.

When limited resources is used for more than what they were planned for individual magnet students get less than they need.

DP.. I *might* agree with #1 but not #2. If they expanded the program to include more qualified students would you be just as upset in terms of less resource for your DC? I doubt it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you do realize that your kid will earn a IB diploma, same as kids who attend the non selective IB schools, right?

Nothing is actually being taken away from your child by offering home school kids an opportunity to participate in a program housed at their school.

I already responded to your first question.

What is being taken away is "magnet" rigor and "magnet" resources that the kids were promised in exchange for their sacrifices to join a school away from the comfort of their home school.

How?

When significant portion of the class is filled with kids who did not specifically qualify for the magnet rigor, the teacher cannot deliver instruction at that rigor without leaving those kids behind.

When limited resources is used for more than what they were planned for individual magnet students get less than they need.

DP.. I *might* agree with #1 but not #2. If they expanded the program to include more qualified students would you be just as upset in terms of less resource for your DC? I doubt it.

No I would not. At that point the expansion will happen with MCPS and BOE acknowledgement and additional resource would have to be negotiated. This is another gripe that the 100 county wide seats have not been expanded over a decade even though countywide (HG students) population has increased several fold.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you do realize that your kid will earn a IB diploma, same as kids who attend the non selective IB schools, right?

Nothing is actually being taken away from your child by offering home school kids an opportunity to participate in a program housed at their school.

I already responded to your first question.

What is being taken away is "magnet" rigor and "magnet" resources that the kids were promised in exchange for their sacrifices to join a school away from the comfort of their home school.

How?

When significant portion of the class is filled with kids who did not specifically qualify for the magnet rigor, the teacher cannot deliver instruction at that rigor without leaving those kids behind.

When limited resources is used for more than what they were planned for individual magnet students get less than they need.

Both statements are assumptions that might or might not be valid, depending on the specific circumstances. Can you provide evidence that the

1. The application-process kids are learning less because there are home-school kids in the IB classes and/or the home-school kids in the IB classes aren't keeping up?
2. The application-process kids needs' aren't getting met because their IB classes are bigger (by how many students?) due to the home-school kids?

That's an assumption.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you do realize that your kid will earn a IB diploma, same as kids who attend the non selective IB schools, right?

Nothing is actually being taken away from your child by offering home school kids an opportunity to participate in a program housed at their school.

I already responded to your first question.

What is being taken away is "magnet" rigor and "magnet" resources that the kids were promised in exchange for their sacrifices to join a school away from the comfort of their home school.

How?

When significant portion of the class is filled with kids who did not specifically qualify for the magnet rigor, the teacher cannot deliver instruction at that rigor without leaving those kids behind.

When limited resources is used for more than what they were planned for individual magnet students get less than they need.

DP.. I *might* agree with #1 but not #2. If they expanded the program to include more qualified students would you be just as upset in terms of less resource for your DC? I doubt it.

No I would not. At that point the expansion will happen with MCPS and BOE acknowledgement and additional resource would have to be negotiated. This is another gripe that the 100 county wide seats have not been expanded over a decade even though countywide (HG students) population has increased several fold.

So, if RM by itself without BOE input decided to expand the program, made the RM cluster students go through the same process as other magnet students, then you'd still be upset because your magnet student gets a smaller piece of the pie?

[Anonymous]

OP, IB and AP rigor does not slow down for anyone. The material that needs to be covered will be covered. It's sink or swim for students. Students are well warned about this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you do realize that your kid will earn a IB diploma, same as kids who attend the non selective IB schools, right?

Nothing is actually being taken away from your child by offering home school kids an opportunity to participate in a program housed at their school.

I already responded to your first question.

What is being taken away is "magnet" rigor and "magnet" resources that the kids were promised in exchange for their sacrifices to join a school away from the comfort of their home school.

How?

When significant portion of the class is filled with kids who did not specifically qualify for the magnet rigor, the teacher cannot deliver instruction at that rigor without leaving those kids behind.

When limited resources is used for more than what they were planned for individual magnet students get less than they need.

DP.. I *might* agree with #1 but not #2. If they expanded the program to include more qualified students would you be just as upset in terms of less resource for your DC? I doubt it.

No I would not. At that point the expansion will happen with MCPS and BOE acknowledgement and additional resource would have to be negotiated. This is another gripe that the 100 county wide seats have not been expanded over a decade even though countywide (HG students) population has increased several fold.

So, if RM by itself without BOE input decided to expand the program, made the RM cluster students go through the same process as other magnet students, then you'd still be upset because your magnet student gets a smaller piece of the pie?

By principle, I am against a school makes unilateral changes to a county owned program. However, if the school makes changes that opens up more seats for county wide qualified students I would work with them to advocate at county level for more resource.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, IB and AP rigor does not slow down for anyone. The material that needs to be covered will be covered. It's sink or swim for students. Students are well warned about this.

IB or AP =/= magnet.

If they were same, we did not need any magnet program in any HS. Every HS in MCPS offer many AP classes and many offer IB classes and IBDP program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, IB and AP rigor does not slow down for anyone. The material that needs to be covered will be covered. It's sink or swim for students. Students are well warned about this.

IB or AP =/= magnet.

If they were same, we did not need any magnet program in any HS. Every HS in MCPS offer many AP classes and many offer IB classes and IBDP program.

You're going to have to tell us what your definition of "magnet" is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, IB and AP rigor does not slow down for anyone. The material that needs to be covered will be covered. It's sink or swim for students. Students are well warned about this.

IB or AP =/= magnet.

If they were same, we did not need any magnet program in any HS. Every HS in MCPS offer many AP classes and many offer IB classes and IBDP program.

You're going to have to tell us what your definition of "magnet" is.

Tell me what your definition of "magnet" is first.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, IB and AP rigor does not slow down for anyone. The material that needs to be covered will be covered. It's sink or swim for students. Students are well warned about this.

IB or AP =/= magnet.

If they were same, we did not need any magnet program in any HS. Every HS in MCPS offer many AP classes and many offer IB classes and IBDP program.

You're going to have to tell us what your definition of "magnet" is.

Tell me what your definition of "magnet" is first.

It's your thread. But ok. A magnet program is a specialized academic program that is also available to students outside the sponsoring school. A magnet school is a school that houses a magnet program.