Two paths to magnet program at Richard Montgomery High School

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you do realize that your kid will earn a IB diploma, same as kids who attend the non selective IB schools, right?

Nothing is actually being taken away from your child by offering home school kids an opportunity to participate in a program housed at their school.

I already responded to your first question.

What is being taken away is "magnet" rigor and "magnet" resources that the kids were promised in exchange for their sacrifices to join a school away from the comfort of their home school.

How?

When significant portion of the class is filled with kids who did not specifically qualify for the magnet rigor, the teacher cannot deliver instruction at that rigor without leaving those kids behind.

When limited resources is used for more than what they were planned for individual magnet students get less than they need.

DP.. I *might* agree with #1 but not #2. If they expanded the program to include more qualified students would you be just as upset in terms of less resource for your DC? I doubt it.

No I would not. At that point the expansion will happen with MCPS and BOE acknowledgement and additional resource would have to be negotiated. This is another gripe that the 100 county wide seats have not been expanded over a decade even though countywide (HG students) population has increased several fold.

So, if RM by itself without BOE input decided to expand the program, made the RM cluster students go through the same process as other magnet students, then you'd still be upset because your magnet student gets a smaller piece of the pie?

By principle, I am against a school makes unilateral changes to a county owned program. However, if the school makes changes that opens up more seats for county wide qualified students I would work with them to advocate at county level for more resource.

But there would be zero guarantee that you would get additional funding. Would this make you think twice about having your DC attend the magnet program? Does the fact that HYP allow in students with lower test scores hurt its prestige? Do think those elite students don't get as rigorous an education because of the students who scored much lower? Would you rather send your child to UC Berkley where it's just purely about test scores and grades rather than Harvard where they use "holistic" admittance approach? Both are top notch schools, but I think Harvard outranks UCB for the most part.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you do realize that your kid will earn a IB diploma, same as kids who attend the non selective IB schools, right?

Nothing is actually being taken away from your child by offering home school kids an opportunity to participate in a program housed at their school.

I already responded to your first question.

What is being taken away is "magnet" rigor and "magnet" resources that the kids were promised in exchange for their sacrifices to join a school away from the comfort of their home school.

How?

When significant portion of the class is filled with kids who did not specifically qualify for the magnet rigor, the teacher cannot deliver instruction at that rigor without leaving those kids behind.

When limited resources is used for more than what they were planned for individual magnet students get less than they need.

DP.. I *might* agree with #1 but not #2. If they expanded the program to include more qualified students would you be just as upset in terms of less resource for your DC? I doubt it.

No I would not. At that point the expansion will happen with MCPS and BOE acknowledgement and additional resource would have to be negotiated. This is another gripe that the 100 county wide seats have not been expanded over a decade even though countywide (HG students) population has increased several fold.

So, if RM by itself without BOE input decided to expand the program, made the RM cluster students go through the same process as other magnet students, then you'd still be upset because your magnet student gets a smaller piece of the pie?

By principle, I am against a school makes unilateral changes to a county owned program. However, if the school makes changes that opens up more seats for county wide qualified students I would work with them to advocate at county level for more resource.

But there would be zero guarantee that you would get additional funding. Would this make you think twice about having your DC attend the magnet program? Does the fact that HYP allow in students with lower test scores hurt its prestige? Do think those elite students don't get as rigorous an education because of the students who scored much lower? Would you rather send your child to UC Berkley where it's just purely about test scores and grades rather than Harvard where they use "holistic" admittance approach? Both are top notch schools, but I think Harvard outranks UCB for the most part.

what "prestige"? I don't see no prestige in the name of "magnet program". There are many magnet programs in MCPS, but only a few are highly sought after.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you do realize that your kid will earn a IB diploma, same as kids who attend the non selective IB schools, right?

Nothing is actually being taken away from your child by offering home school kids an opportunity to participate in a program housed at their school.

I already responded to your first question.

What is being taken away is "magnet" rigor and "magnet" resources that the kids were promised in exchange for their sacrifices to join a school away from the comfort of their home school.

How?

When significant portion of the class is filled with kids who did not specifically qualify for the magnet rigor, the teacher cannot deliver instruction at that rigor without leaving those kids behind.

When limited resources is used for more than what they were planned for individual magnet students get less than they need.

DP.. I *might* agree with #1 but not #2. If they expanded the program to include more qualified students would you be just as upset in terms of less resource for your DC? I doubt it.

No I would not. At that point the expansion will happen with MCPS and BOE acknowledgement and additional resource would have to be negotiated. This is another gripe that the 100 county wide seats have not been expanded over a decade even though countywide (HG students) population has increased several fold.

So, if RM by itself without BOE input decided to expand the program, made the RM cluster students go through the same process as other magnet students, then you'd still be upset because your magnet student gets a smaller piece of the pie?

By principle, I am against a school makes unilateral changes to a county owned program. However, if the school makes changes that opens up more seats for county wide qualified students I would work with them to advocate at county level for more resource.

But there would be zero guarantee that you would get additional funding. Would this make you think twice about having your DC attend the magnet program? Does the fact that HYP allow in students with lower test scores hurt its prestige? Do think those elite students don't get as rigorous an education because of the students who scored much lower? Would you rather send your child to UC Berkley where it's just purely about test scores and grades rather than Harvard where they use "holistic" admittance approach? Both are top notch schools, but I think Harvard outranks UCB for the most part.

what "prestige"? I don't see no prestige in the name of "magnet program". There are many magnet programs in MCPS, but only a few are highly sought after.

? You don't think getting into a non lottery magnet program is prestigious? OK.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you do realize that your kid will earn a IB diploma, same as kids who attend the non selective IB schools, right?

Nothing is actually being taken away from your child by offering home school kids an opportunity to participate in a program housed at their school.

I already responded to your first question.

What is being taken away is "magnet" rigor and "magnet" resources that the kids were promised in exchange for their sacrifices to join a school away from the comfort of their home school.

How?

When significant portion of the class is filled with kids who did not specifically qualify for the magnet rigor, the teacher cannot deliver instruction at that rigor without leaving those kids behind.

When limited resources is used for more than what they were planned for individual magnet students get less than they need.

DP.. I *might* agree with #1 but not #2. If they expanded the program to include more qualified students would you be just as upset in terms of less resource for your DC? I doubt it.

No I would not. At that point the expansion will happen with MCPS and BOE acknowledgement and additional resource would have to be negotiated. This is another gripe that the 100 county wide seats have not been expanded over a decade even though countywide (HG students) population has increased several fold.

So, if RM by itself without BOE input decided to expand the program, made the RM cluster students go through the same process as other magnet students, then you'd still be upset because your magnet student gets a smaller piece of the pie?

By principle, I am against a school makes unilateral changes to a county owned program. However, if the school makes changes that opens up more seats for county wide qualified students I would work with them to advocate at county level for more resource.

But there would be zero guarantee that you would get additional funding. Would this make you think twice about having your DC attend the magnet program? Does the fact that HYP allow in students with lower test scores hurt its prestige? Do think those elite students don't get as rigorous an education because of the students who scored much lower? Would you rather send your child to UC Berkley where it's just purely about test scores and grades rather than Harvard where they use "holistic" admittance approach? Both are top notch schools, but I think Harvard outranks UCB for the most part.

what "prestige"? I don't see no prestige in the name of "magnet program". There are many magnet programs in MCPS, but only a few are highly sought after.

HYP doesn't have "prestige" in its name either but almost everyone would agree that getting in is quite an accomplishment. I don't understand the point of your post.

[Anonymous]

It's your thread. But ok. A magnet program is a specialized academic program that is also available to students outside the sponsoring school. A magnet school is a school that houses a magnet program.

You are misinformed. An application based magnet program is not just a specialized academic program that is also available to students outside the sponsoring school. It is a county owned specially designed program for Highly Gifted students whose need cannot be met in their home school. A magnet school is one which hosts such a county owned program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, you do realize that your kid will earn a IB diploma, same as kids who attend the non selective IB schools, right?

Nothing is actually being taken away from your child by offering home school kids an opportunity to participate in a program housed at their school.

I already responded to your first question.

What is being taken away is "magnet" rigor and "magnet" resources that the kids were promised in exchange for their sacrifices to join a school away from the comfort of their home school.

How?

When significant portion of the class is filled with kids who did not specifically qualify for the magnet rigor, the teacher cannot deliver instruction at that rigor without leaving those kids behind.

When limited resources is used for more than what they were planned for individual magnet students get less than they need.

DP.. I *might* agree with #1 but not #2. If they expanded the program to include more qualified students would you be just as upset in terms of less resource for your DC? I doubt it.

No I would not. At that point the expansion will happen with MCPS and BOE acknowledgement and additional resource would have to be negotiated. This is another gripe that the 100 county wide seats have not been expanded over a decade even though countywide (HG students) population has increased several fold.

So, if RM by itself without BOE input decided to expand the program, made the RM cluster students go through the same process as other magnet students, then you'd still be upset because your magnet student gets a smaller piece of the pie?

By principle, I am against a school makes unilateral changes to a county owned program. However, if the school makes changes that opens up more seats for county wide qualified students I would work with them to advocate at county level for more resource.

But there would be zero guarantee that you would get additional funding. Would this make you think twice about having your DC attend the magnet program? Does the fact that HYP allow in students with lower test scores hurt its prestige? Do think those elite students don't get as rigorous an education because of the students who scored much lower? Would you rather send your child to UC Berkley where it's just purely about test scores and grades rather than Harvard where they use "holistic" admittance approach? Both are top notch schools, but I think Harvard outranks UCB for the most part.

what "prestige"? I don't see no prestige in the name of "magnet program". There are many magnet programs in MCPS, but only a few are highly sought after.

? You don't think getting into a non lottery magnet program is prestigious? OK.

all I'm saying is that calling a program magnet doesn't make it prestigious. And a lot of people think the test-in process is unfair anyway.

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what "prestige"? I don't see no prestige in the name of "magnet program". There are many magnet programs in MCPS, but only a few are highly sought after.

? You don't think getting into a non lottery magnet program is prestigious? OK.

all I'm saying is that calling a program magnet doesn't make it prestigious. And a lot of people think the test-in process is unfair anyway.

We are talking about RMIB specifically. That is a prestigious program as are most of the test-in magnet programs. This is off topic, but I don't know how else one would identify "gifted" students if not for the the testing process. Isn't that why most universities look at SAT scores and GPAs, and put a heavy weight on them?

[Anonymous]

all I'm saying is that calling a program magnet doesn't make it prestigious. And a lot of people think the test-in process is unfair anyway.

Oh really? How so?

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all I'm saying is that calling a program magnet doesn't make it prestigious. And a lot of people think the test-in process is unfair anyway.

Oh really? How so?

Test performance is highly correlated with ses

[Anonymous]

This is all funny to me. My local school has an IB diploma track, and colleges across the country will view those IB kids exactly the same as the RM IB kids. But go ahead and stress and squabble and sell your own mother just to get into RM IB (or deny others the chance, as this thread seems to be about).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is all funny to me. My local school has an IB diploma track, and colleges across the country will view those IB kids exactly the same as the RM IB kids. But go ahead and stress and squabble and sell your own mother just to get into RM IB (or deny others the chance, as this thread seems to be about).

You read the thread completely wrong.

That's exactly was one of my points to start with. If RM is changing the fabric of the magnet IB program to be just another IB program across the county, then why should anyone with a IB program or specialized program in local school go there?

Up until now Colleges have seen RM differently than any other IB school in Maryland, but that's a different story to discuss later.

[Anonymous]

We attended the RM magnet info night 3 years ago. It was not hidden that neighborhood kids can join the program for 11th grade. They gave us all the numbers. It also says it right on the website. "Additionally. While not all students who attend Richard Montgomery are in the four year Magnet, all RM students are eligible to participate in the full Diploma Programme offered at the school." There is nothing hidden about it. Kids that have IB in their home schools do not get the IB only classes in 9th and 10th that they do at RM. Apparently to the people here it is a HUGE factor in their decisions. And of course not all schools offer IB.

[Anonymous]

What has RMIB been doing differently than other IB programs, besides having a wider variety of IB classes to choose from?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We attended the RM magnet info night 3 years ago. It was not hidden that neighborhood kids can join the program for 11th grade. They gave us all the numbers. It also says it right on the website. "Additionally. While not all students who attend Richard Montgomery are in the four year Magnet, all RM students are eligible to participate in the full Diploma Programme offered at the school." There is nothing hidden about it. Kids that have IB in their home schools do not get the IB only classes in 9th and 10th that they do at RM. Apparently to the people here it is a HUGE factor in their decisions. And of course not all schools offer IB.

You either do nor remember the facts correctly or lying.

RM magnet info night never discussed about the 11th grade path. I have been volunteering in everyone since 2012. They have talked about JW students applying in 8th grade in the info night. This might be the first year they would talk about it since a lot of parents this year asking the same questions.

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Anonymous wrote:We attended the RM magnet info night 3 years ago. It was not hidden that neighborhood kids can join the program for 11th grade. They gave us all the numbers. It also says it right on the website. "Additionally. While not all students who attend Richard Montgomery are in the four year Magnet, all RM students are eligible to participate in the full Diploma Programme offered at the school." There is nothing hidden about it. Kids that have IB in their home schools do not get the IB only classes in 9th and 10th that they do at RM. Apparently to the people here it is a HUGE factor in their decisions. And of course not all schools offer IB.

You either do nor remember the facts correctly or lying.

RM magnet info night never discussed about the 11th grade path. I have been volunteering in everyone since 2012. They have talked about JW students applying in 8th grade in the info night. This might be the first year they would talk about it since a lot of parents this year asking the same questions.

Nope..I am not lying or forgetting. I will say that it was the year Ms Hoover did not speak to the parents at all because her powerpoint did not work ( which seemed very odd but that is another issue). She turned the whole presentation over to current Magnet parents. This, it was probably be the parents who gave us the info. We are an RM neighborhood family and we noted that the number of kids joining in 11th grade was higher than we expected and thought it must have grown in recent years.