DCPS Lottery Data

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Langkey is an Early Action school. Seaton is not.

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My question for years has been when is a waitlist too long? Some schools have more on the WL than they do seats. Assuming it isn't a Janney situation (only PK4 and no more room), what is the plan?

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Anonymous wrote:It looks like there are 70 kids on WL for PK3 at Seaton. Someone mentioned awhile back in a thread that they may add a classroom. No idea if that's just a rumor but I really hope they do!

I am not sure they have the building space. If it means an additional PK4 the next year, and an additional K after that, it may be impossible. Langley will add a room when demand requires it, because they do have space.

That would be great if Langley add space! But adding at Seaton would be incredibly valuable too, if they can handle it. Seaton serves Shaw, where demand is high, and has a convenient location for anyone heading downtown. C'mon DCPS!

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Anonymous wrote:My question for years has been when is a waitlist too long? Some schools have more on the WL than they do seats. Assuming it isn't a Janney situation (only PK4 and no more room), what is the plan?

It depends. Ultimately, they will not add preschoolers unless they can continue to serve those children (factoring in attrition) through 5th, no matter how long the WL is. Some schools have room to grow and want to grow, so they may motivate to add a room as soon as possible. Not all waitlisters are the same. Siblings and IB are most likely to matriculate. Post lottery OOB adds are the least-- if ther were that interested in the school it would have been one of their 12 lottery picks. So it is not a number, but more of a judgment call.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It looks like there are 70 kids on WL for PK3 at Seaton. Someone mentioned awhile back in a thread that they may add a classroom. No idea if that's just a rumor but I really hope they do!

I am not sure they have the building space. If it means an additional PK4 the next year, and an additional K after that, it may be impossible. Langley will add a room when demand requires it, because they do have space.

That would be great if Langley add space! But adding at Seaton would be incredibly valuable too, if they can handle it. Seaton serves Shaw, where demand is high, and has a convenient location for anyone heading downtown. C'mon DCPS!

Langley has space because it used to go through 8th and now only goes through 5th.

Seaton is near its building cap. The fact that there is no talk of adding a room lately, should tell you what you need to know.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It looks like there are 70 kids on WL for PK3 at Seaton. Someone mentioned awhile back in a thread that they may add a classroom. No idea if that's just a rumor but I really hope they do!

I am not sure they have the building space. If it means an additional PK4 the next year, and an additional K after that, it may be impossible. Langley will add a room when demand requires it, because they do have space.

That would be great if Langley add space! But adding at Seaton would be incredibly valuable too, if they can handle it. Seaton serves Shaw, where demand is high, and has a convenient location for anyone heading downtown. C'mon DCPS!

Langley has space because it used to go through 8th and now only goes through 5th.

Seaton is near its building cap. The fact that there is no talk of adding a room lately, should tell you what you need to know.

There was talk on a thread a couple weeks ago, but it's good to know that it may have been misinformed. Thx!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It looks like there are 70 kids on WL for PK3 at Seaton. Someone mentioned awhile back in a thread that they may add a classroom. No idea if that's just a rumor but I really hope they do!

I am not sure they have the building space. If it means an additional PK4 the next year, and an additional K after that, it may be impossible. Langley will add a room when demand requires it, because they do have space.

That would be great if Langley add space! But adding at Seaton would be incredibly valuable too, if they can handle it. Seaton serves Shaw, where demand is high, and has a convenient location for anyone heading downtown. C'mon DCPS!

Langley has space because it used to go through 8th and now only goes through 5th.

Seaton is near its building cap. The fact that there is no talk of adding a room lately, should tell you what you need to know.

There was talk on a thread a couple weeks ago, but it's good to know that it may have been misinformed. Thx!

If you google for Seaton's boundary change pdf from 2014, it says the cap is 325. Maybe that has changed, but if not, they can't really add a PK3 and then a PK4 and a K without exceeding the cap. Maybe they could go to multi-age preschool, I guess, but that would be only 8 Pk3 seats ao not really a big deal.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It looks like there are 70 kids on WL for PK3 at Seaton. Someone mentioned awhile back in a thread that they may add a classroom. No idea if that's just a rumor but I really hope they do!

I am not sure they have the building space. If it means an additional PK4 the next year, and an additional K after that, it may be impossible. Langley will add a room when demand requires it, because they do have space.

That would be great if Langley add space! But adding at Seaton would be incredibly valuable too, if they can handle it. Seaton serves Shaw, where demand is high, and has a convenient location for anyone heading downtown. C'mon DCPS!

Langley has space because it used to go through 8th and now only goes through 5th.

Seaton is near its building cap. The fact that there is no talk of adding a room lately, should tell you what you need to know.

There was talk on a thread a couple weeks ago, but it's good to know that it may have been misinformed. Thx!

NP. Seaton talked about possibly adding a class at an open house, that's possibly where the information around here originated from.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It looks like there are 70 kids on WL for PK3 at Seaton. Someone mentioned awhile back in a thread that they may add a classroom. No idea if that's just a rumor but I really hope they do!

I am not sure they have the building space. If it means an additional PK4 the next year, and an additional K after that, it may be impossible. Langley will add a room when demand requires it, because they do have space.

That would be great if Langley add space! But adding at Seaton would be incredibly valuable too, if they can handle it. Seaton serves Shaw, where demand is high, and has a convenient location for anyone heading downtown. C'mon DCPS!

Langley has space because it used to go through 8th and now only goes through 5th.

Seaton is near its building cap. The fact that there is no talk of adding a room lately, should tell you what you need to know.

There was talk on a thread a couple weeks ago, but it's good to know that it may have been misinformed. Thx!

NP. Seaton talked about possibly adding a class at an open house, that's possibly where the information around here originated from.

Oh, interesting. I wonder how that would work, then, a trailer? They do have a big lot. I guess they will continue to have high attrition in upper elementary for lack of a middle school... maybe they're banking on that.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My question for years has been when is a waitlist too long? Some schools have more on the WL than they do seats. Assuming it isn't a Janney situation (only PK4 and no more room), what is the plan?

It depends. Ultimately, they will not add preschoolers unless they can continue to serve those children (factoring in attrition) through 5th, no matter how long the WL is. Some schools have room to grow and want to grow, so they may motivate to add a room as soon as possible. Not all waitlisters are the same. Siblings and IB are most likely to matriculate. Post lottery OOB adds are the least-- if ther were that interested in the school it would have been one of their 12 lottery picks. So it is not a number, but more of a judgment call.

Sorry that it wasn't clear, I was talking about IB WL. I think we might be nearing a tipping point in a few of the districts where something needs to be done.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My question for years has been when is a waitlist too long? Some schools have more on the WL than they do seats. Assuming it isn't a Janney situation (only PK4 and no more room), what is the plan?

It depends. Ultimately, they will not add preschoolers unless they can continue to serve those children (factoring in attrition) through 5th, no matter how long the WL is. Some schools have room to grow and want to grow, so they may motivate to add a room as soon as possible. Not all waitlisters are the same. Siblings and IB are most likely to matriculate. Post lottery OOB adds are the least-- if ther were that interested in the school it would have been one of their 12 lottery picks. So it is not a number, but more of a judgment call.

Sorry that it wasn't clear, I was talking about IB WL. I think we might be nearing a tipping point in a few of the districts where something needs to be done.

If many low-income kids are being denied PK3 (or PK4) seats, then something will be done. That's what the early action program is for -- making sure the most in-need students can get these seats. It's also why Van Ness lost that designation -- because its IB population is skewing higher SES.

Keep in mind all these wait lists are as of 3/31 and don't reflect any movement at all. The initial enrollment deadline period isn't over, and many of the people on these wait lists are also on WL at charter schools and might get in somewhere. Gotta wait until schools starts next year to reach conclusions about whether there is a need for more.

The charters are adding significant preschool capacity for 18-19 -- looks like at least an additional 100-150 seats on the way.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My question for years has been when is a waitlist too long? Some schools have more on the WL than they do seats. Assuming it isn't a Janney situation (only PK4 and no more room), what is the plan?

It depends. Ultimately, they will not add preschoolers unless they can continue to serve those children (factoring in attrition) through 5th, no matter how long the WL is. Some schools have room to grow and want to grow, so they may motivate to add a room as soon as possible. Not all waitlisters are the same. Siblings and IB are most likely to matriculate. Post lottery OOB adds are the least-- if ther were that interested in the school it would have been one of their 12 lottery picks. So it is not a number, but more of a judgment call.

Sorry that it wasn't clear, I was talking about IB WL. I think we might be nearing a tipping point in a few of the districts where something needs to be done.

If many low-income kids are being denied PK3 (or PK4) seats, then something will be done. That's what the early action program is for -- making sure the most in-need students can get these seats. It's also why Van Ness lost that designation -- because its IB population is skewing higher SES.

Keep in mind all these wait lists are as of 3/31 and don't reflect any movement at all. The initial enrollment deadline period isn't over, and many of the people on these wait lists are also on WL at charter schools and might get in somewhere. Gotta wait until schools starts next year to reach conclusions about whether there is a need for more.

The charters are adding significant preschool capacity for 18-19 -- looks like at least an additional 100-150 seats on the way.

And this is another reason why DCPS is in trouble. None of this is mutually exclusive. You are right in that most of the areas effected are not in "in-need areas" but isn't it possible to ensure those who need help get it and help middle class families as well. At the same time, these WL will not move more than 5 people. For the most part these are also families that would like to go to their neighborhood schools (so charters won't help much). And 100 to 150 seats in just a finger in the dike.

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And they CAN go to their IB DCPS neighborhood schools at K.

PreK is not a compulsory grade. You are not owed a seat.

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Anonymous wrote:And they CAN go to their IB DCPS neighborhood schools at K.

PreK is not a compulsory grade. You are not owed a seat.

+1. There is no right to free and convenient preschool for the affluent. If you want a spot, there is plenty of room in my DD's EOTP Title I.

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There is nothing wrong with trying to have the school's offerings reflect the district it is in.