Why do people defend illegal immigration? (Serious question)

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Anonymous wrote:Vast majority of illegal immigrants work 5x harder than the average native born American.

Honestly, how do you know that? That is such a stereotype I am so sick of hearing. They are CHEAP labor that put LEGAL American businesses who have to pay minimum wage out of work. Just because you are cheap labor does not mean you work harder than Americans.

When was the last time you saw a white landscaping company? It isn't because they don't want to do it anymore. It is because companies that hire illegal immigrants pass over slightly cheaper rates to families who hire them and take in more money overall because they pay their employees pennies. It is so corrupt.

And this is why I know Republicans have no intention of doing anything about immigration except maintaining it as a foolproof wedge issue. If they really wanted to shut it down, they'd go after businesses that hire illegal immigrants. But agri-food lobby is powerful; if business wants cheap labor, business will continue to get it. Giving immigrants a path to citizenship means that labor may stay cheap but it will have the right to complain about losing a hand or dying on the job, not to mention start demanding minimum wage, which is way more than they're getting now.

Plus, as long as people's lives are so bad that they're willing to send their 10 year old child off on their own to get away from it, they will find a way to get over the border. Wall or not.

If unemployed Americans - both pro and anti Trump folks - took on those farm jobs, the farms wouldn't have to lobby the government. But Americans don't want those jobs. So, if we kick out all the illegal immigrants, I'm really wondering who will work on those farms:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/05/15/north-carolina-needed-6500-farm-workers-only-7-americans-stuck-it-out/

If capital can't find labor at a given price point, then capital has to offer more for labor. It is simply inaccurate to say Americans don't want those jobs. It is accurate to say Americans don't want those jobs AT THE CURRENT PREVAILING WAGE WHICH IS CLEARLY DEPRESSED BY UNDOCUMENTED LABOR.

If you had bothered to read that article, you'd know they pay more than minimum wage.

But yea, sure, why get a job when I can be on welfare, and then blame illegal immigrants for taking said jobs that I don't want to do?

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Anonymous wrote:Bernie/HRC voter here. Child of immigrants. I do wish we had tighter border controls and a more efficient immigration system. But I do not favor harsh or inhumane treatment toward families who already have people here. It's counter productive.

What is inhumane? Sending them back to the country they are legally from? It isn't like we torture them or put them in jail like Mexico does with illegal immigrants. No fines either. We just return them.

I think it is inhumane for immigrants wanting to come in legally to get bumped by those who sneak across and then expect empathy.

You do realize that some of these illegal immigrants will get a bullet to their head if they return to their country, right?
Read about the illegal children coming by themselves - nearly all were witnesses to crimes or had their entire families executed. Have some empathy, FFS. You're American. Does the Statue of Liberty mean nothing to you?

You must be stupid to believe this is the case for all, maybe a handful ffs

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If we were serious about immigration we would address the root causes. The instability in Mexico originating from the US buying drugs and shipping guns, the businesses who hire illegals, and the virtually non-existent path to legal residency for the poor and desperate.

The US is a nation of immigrants and we still rely on immigration to sustain our growth. Without immigration, we would have negative population growth and the economic troubles to go with it. But immigration should be through legal channels and building a wall just isn't going to cut it.

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Anonymous wrote:Honest response (I'm sort of an immigrant, and have plenty of lots of immediate family, including my generation, that are immigrants):

I have no problem with basically unlimited immigration OR a strong social safety net that involves significant government spending. But I cannot support both simultaneously. Really wish the democrats would choose one or the other.

Yes, all of us are descendants of immigrants, but the prior waves of immigration to this country did not coexist with a widespread social safety net.

Point well made.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, people who defend illegal immigration do not believe (generally speaking of course) in American Exceptionalism. They (usually) believe that all systems of government, all religions, all moral codes, all peoples' histories are "equal" and who are you to judge one as better than another? They do not understand that the immigrants who have made this country great for the past 230 years are those who come here because they want to be like us, to become Americans and to assimilate to our way of life. Rather, they support the idea that anyone from any background can "contribute" to what we have already established, by bringing their own way of being, whether or not it fits our history and core being.

I don't get it either. It's cultural suicide. But that's the way many of these people think. It's a form of self-loathing, I suspect.

American Exceptionalism is BS.

Then move to El Salvador or Ethiopia or North Korea.

That's exactly what I tell my BLM friends, but they refuse to move.

Whining has become a way of life for aome.

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Anonymous wrote:I'll preface this by saying I did NOT vote for trump. But how can anyone defend illegal immigration? Why would anyone bother to come here legally if there are zero repercussions for taking the easy route and not going through the process? Genuinely wondering.

I just answered but to more directly answer your question...most immigrants cannot come here legally. There are very few openings for such so called legally immigration especially by the poor who are most desperate to come here. Do you know what is going on in central America with gang violence? It is awful stuff and good people there are desperate to escape. America was historical a refuge fir the desiderate. That means something to me.

They need to stay there and work and protest against their government. The wave of actual war refugees passed in the 80s. The illegal ones getting in have a bad history in central america

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Anonymous wrote:If we were serious about immigration we would address the root causes. The instability in Mexico originating from the US buying drugs and shipping guns, the businesses who hire illegals, and the virtually non-existent path to legal residency for the poor and desperate.

The US is a nation of immigrants and we still rely on immigration to sustain our growth. Without immigration, we would have negative population growth and the economic troubles to go with it. But immigration should be through legal channels and building a wall just isn't going to cut it.

Border controls deportation and a pathway to legal citizenship for those who have been here more than 2 decades.

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Anonymous wrote:They destroyed schools, took construction jobs from blacks and whites, send most of their money back home (so they're not spending cash in our economy, only taking), destroy property values by getting one house and having 30 people living in it, with dozens of cars parked outside...try having an open house with that. No one wants to buy a house in an illegal immigrant neighborhood.

I just don't buy above PP.

As for the question, I just don't care. I don't believe they took any jobs. They do jobs americans don't want to do. I keep posting this, but when AL passed a tough immigration law and the Latinos left, AL lost $6B. All those jobs that people claim are being taken away from Americans didn't pan out. They couldn't even get prisoners to pick fruit or work in the chicken factory.

I don't hire undocumented workers, but I don't begrudge them either. They are not taking my job. My dad was a brick layer. He would always say that all of the employees were Latino and they could not get black and white people to work in the hot sun. They preferred black and white people, but guys would go out for a day and not come back.

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Anonymous wrote:Bernie/HRC voter here. Child of immigrants. I do wish we had tighter border controls and a more efficient immigration system. But I do not favor harsh or inhumane treatment toward families who already have people here. It's counter productive.

What is inhumane? Sending them back to the country they are legally from? It isn't like we torture them or put them in jail like Mexico does with illegal immigrants. No fines either. We just return them.

I think it is inhumane for immigrants wanting to come in legally to get bumped by those who sneak across and then expect empathy.

You do realize that some of these illegal immigrants will get a bullet to their head if they return to their country, right?
Read about the illegal children coming by themselves - nearly all were witnesses to crimes or had their entire families executed. Have some empathy, FFS. You're American. Does the Statue of Liberty mean nothing to you?

You must be stupid to believe this is the case for all, maybe a handful ffs

PP you are the stupid one. The person said some. I do believe this and know it to be true. Just because you don't know anything about the world doesn't make your perspective true. Go research and come back. You sound dumb.

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Anonymous wrote:Bernie/HRC voter here. Child of immigrants. I do wish we had tighter border controls and a more efficient immigration system. But I do not favor harsh or inhumane treatment toward families who already have people here. It's counter productive.

What is inhumane? Sending them back to the country they are legally from? It isn't like we torture them or put them in jail like Mexico does with illegal immigrants. No fines either. We just return them.

I think it is inhumane for immigrants wanting to come in legally to get bumped by those who sneak across and then expect empathy.

You do realize that some of these illegal immigrants will get a bullet to their head if they return to their country, right?
Read about the illegal children coming by themselves - nearly all were witnesses to crimes or had their entire families executed. Have some empathy, FFS. You're American. Does the Statue of Liberty mean nothing to you?

You must be stupid to believe this is the case for all, maybe a handful ffs

PP you are the stupid one. The person said some. I do believe this and know it to be true. Just because you don't know anything about the world doesn't make your perspective true. Go research and come back. You sound dumb.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:OP, people who defend illegal immigration do not believe (generally speaking of course) in American Exceptionalism. They (usually) believe that all systems of government, all religions, all moral codes, all peoples' histories are "equal" and who are you to judge one as better than another? They do not understand that the immigrants who have made this country great for the past 230 years are those who come here because they want to be like us, to become Americans and to assimilate to our way of life. Rather, they support the idea that anyone from any background can "contribute" to what we have already established, by bringing their own way of being, whether or not it fits our history and core being.

I don't get it either. It's cultural suicide. But that's the way many of these people think. It's a form of self-loathing, I suspect.

BS
Do you know anything about the history of this country? They came to escape poverty and oppression. Their descendants became Americanized.

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Anonymous wrote:Guilt from liberals, inexpensive labor from Republucans.

What you call guilt I call emphathy. I'm glad my parents raised me to care about others.

You can be sympathetic but not empathetic

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Anonymous wrote:OP, people who defend illegal immigration do not believe (generally speaking of course) in American Exceptionalism. They (usually) believe that all systems of government, all religions, all moral codes, all peoples' histories are "equal" and who are you to judge one as better than another? They do not understand that the immigrants who have made this country great for the past 230 years are those who come here because they want to be like us, to become Americans and to assimilate to our way of life. Rather, they support the idea that anyone from any background can "contribute" to what we have already established, by bringing their own way of being, whether or not it fits our history and core being.

I don't get it either. It's cultural suicide. But that's the way many of these people think. It's a form of self-loathing, I suspect.

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Do you know anything about the history of this country? They came to escape poverty and oppression. Their descendants became Americanized.

And every wave of immigration has changed what it means to be "American." It certainly looks nothing like it did 200 years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:Another serious question, why don't these people become legal citizens?

Or learn English. For the love of god, learn English!!! Assimilate already.

Meh. My immigrant ancestors came here only speaking German and never really learned English. Their kids and grandkids did, but they all lived together in a German immigrant community in Indiana and got along fine without English. All the cemetery headstones for several decades after they arrived are all in German. The school primer books were in German, too.

That's the story of America, my friend. People assimilate after one or two generations and once they're made to feel welcomed.

Cool story. Did they have for German, press 2?

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Long live immigrants.

Go watch Hamilton, ny friends.