So which holy book do peaceful Muslims follow?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The New Testament is full of sayings from Jesus like this one: "



PS. Atheists telling believers what they're supposed to believe always makes me roll my eyes like the emoticon above. If you don't know anything about a particular faith and you aren't inclined to do even minimal studying, then your *opinions* are basically useless. Sorry!

Quote didn't carry over. Am on tenterhooks.

It is also very annoying when the Islam haters tell the Muslims what they are supposed to believe or how they are supposed to act.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For your reading pleasure and edification, and because you atheists keep getting it wrong, and because you've derailed the thread anyway with your "pick and choose" malarkey...

Here's another instance of Jesus clearly and specifically counteracting parts of Old Testament:

"You have heard it said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' But I say to you, do not resist an evildoer. But if anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn the other also." (Matthew 5:38-39).

There are many contradictions in the Bible -- as atheists know, just as well as,if not better than, Christians. Many atheists were once Christians and became atheist in the process of reading the Bible carefully.

No good answer to what's above, huh?

If only you knew as much about Christianity and Islam as you think you do. Seriously. Unfortunately for us, what you lack in knowledge you more than compensate for with arrogance. (And if you're that rabid ex-Catholic who posts here 24/7, you seem unhinged, sadly.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For your reading pleasure and edification, and because you atheists keep getting it wrong, and because you've derailed the thread anyway with your "pick and choose" malarkey...

Here's another instance of Jesus clearly and specifically counteracting parts of Old Testament:

"You have heard it said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' But I say to you, do not resist an evildoer. But if anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn the other also." (Matthew 5:38-39).

There are many contradictions in the Bible -- as atheists know, just as well as,if not better than, Christians. Many atheists were once Christians and became atheist in the process of reading the Bible carefully.

Apparently you're not one of those atheists who were former Christians. Are you Jewish or Muslim?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For your reading pleasure and edification, and because you atheists keep getting it wrong, and because you've derailed the thread anyway with your "pick and choose" malarkey...

Here's another instance of Jesus clearly and specifically counteracting parts of Old Testament:

"You have heard it said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' But I say to you, do not resist an evildoer. But if anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn the other also." (Matthew 5:38-39).

There are many contradictions in the Bible -- as atheists know, just as well as,if not better than, Christians. Many atheists were once Christians and became atheist in the process of reading the Bible carefully.

Apparently you're not one of those atheists who were former Christians. Are you Jewish or Muslim?

It reads a lot like one of Muslima's posts -- that special combination of stiff and belligerent. But she'll never cop to it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
“Through ceaseless proselytizing and subtle pressure tactics, Al-Huda has brought a majority of my university’s students under the burqa,” Pervez Hoodbhoy previously wrote. “In comparison with my students of earlier decades, they are less confident, less willing to ask questions in class, and most have become silent note-takers. To sing, dance, play sports or act in dramas is, of course, out of the question for these unfortunates.”
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/2616776/tashfeen-malik-attended-al-huda-islamic-school-that-has-branches-in-u-s-and-canada/#WdHCU4dWXq1gqA82.99

Hoodbhoy: On the scale of human history, the Enlightenment is a very recent phenomenon, barely four hundred years old. One must be hopeful that Muslims will catch up. The real question is how to shake off the dead hand of tradition. The answer lies in doing away with an educational system that discourages questioning and stresses obedience. Reform in the Muslim world will have to begin here. At the core of this problem, lies the tyranny that teachers exert over their students. In Urdu, we say that the teacher is not just a teacher—he is also your father. But in our culture, fathers are considered all-wise, which means that teachers cannot be questioned.

http://www.meforum.org/2593/pervez-amirali-hoodbhoy-islam-science

Islam is NOT a religion. It is a political system that does not recognize ANY wall, any separation between government and religion.

Please. As long as there's an element of faith (God sent the Quran, ISIS' ridiculous millenarian beliefs) then it's a religion too. You're right that government and religion are more intermingled in Islam than in other faiths. But you said it yourself: religion is in the mix.

well you missed the point then.

anyone that believes in devils in the desert is free to do so to their hearts content.

But when they come bearing swords and force you to follow their own devils, then it has ceased to have any meaning, it has jumped from a religion of men into a perversion of witches and terrorism.

Islam is a modern day evil. Better us to confront it than our children.

[Anonymous]

Whether people want to accept it or not doesn't matter. A clash of civilizations is happening and will define our children's future or potentially the end of the world as we know it. The good people of the West may be too weak or may feel civilization is not worth saving. Terrorists will obtain nukes but probably won't use them until they are in position to blackmail the world . If the world does not submit then they will end it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For your reading pleasure and edification, and because you atheists keep getting it wrong, and because you've derailed the thread anyway with your "pick and choose" malarkey...

Here's another instance of Jesus clearly and specifically counteracting parts of Old Testament:

"You have heard it said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' But I say to you, do not resist an evildoer. But if anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn the other also." (Matthew 5:38-39).

There are many contradictions in the Bible -- as atheists know, just as well as,if not better than, Christians. Many atheists were once Christians and became atheist in the process of reading the Bible carefully.

No good answer to what's above, huh?

If only you knew as much about Christianity and Islam as you think you do. Seriously. Unfortunately for us, what you lack in knowledge you more than compensate for with arrogance. (And if you're that rabid ex-Catholic who posts here 24/7, you seem unhinged, sadly.)

Ad-hominem attacks are never very effective, and often show the accuser's own weaknesses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For your reading pleasure and edification, and because you atheists keep getting it wrong, and because you've derailed the thread anyway with your "pick and choose" malarkey...

Here's another instance of Jesus clearly and specifically counteracting parts of Old Testament:

"You have heard it said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' But I say to you, do not resist an evildoer. But if anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn the other also." (Matthew 5:38-39).

There are many contradictions in the Bible -- as atheists know, just as well as,if not better than, Christians. Many atheists were once Christians and became atheist in the process of reading the Bible carefully.

No good answer to what's above, huh?

If only you knew as much about Christianity and Islam as you think you do. Seriously. Unfortunately for us, what you lack in knowledge you more than compensate for with arrogance. (And if you're that rabid ex-Catholic who posts here 24/7, you seem unhinged, sadly.)

Ad-hominem attacks are never very effective, and often show the accuser's own weaknesses.

Drive-by shootings of religion (attacks that are brutal, but woefully uninformed and testify to the poster's inability to give it more than two seconds of thought, max) are never very effective, and often show the accuser's own weaknesses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
“Through ceaseless proselytizing and subtle pressure tactics, Al-Huda has brought a majority of my university’s students under the burqa,” Pervez Hoodbhoy previously wrote. “In comparison with my students of earlier decades, they are less confident, less willing to ask questions in class, and most have become silent note-takers. To sing, dance, play sports or act in dramas is, of course, out of the question for these unfortunates.”
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/2616776/tashfeen-malik-attended-al-huda-islamic-school-that-has-branches-in-u-s-and-canada/#WdHCU4dWXq1gqA82.99

Hoodbhoy: On the scale of human history, the Enlightenment is a very recent phenomenon, barely four hundred years old. One must be hopeful that Muslims will catch up. The real question is how to shake off the dead hand of tradition. The answer lies in doing away with an educational system that discourages questioning and stresses obedience. Reform in the Muslim world will have to begin here. At the core of this problem, lies the tyranny that teachers exert over their students. In Urdu, we say that the teacher is not just a teacher—he is also your father. But in our culture, fathers are considered all-wise, which means that teachers cannot be questioned.

http://www.meforum.org/2593/pervez-amirali-hoodbhoy-islam-science

Islam is NOT a religion. It is a political system that does not recognize ANY wall, any separation between government and religion.

Please. As long as there's an element of faith (God sent the Quran, ISIS' ridiculous millenarian beliefs) then it's a religion too. You're right that government and religion are more intermingled in Islam than in other faiths. But you said it yourself: religion is in the mix.

well you missed the point then.

anyone that believes in devils in the desert is free to do so to their hearts content.

But when they come bearing swords and force you to follow their own devils, then it has ceased to have any meaning, it has jumped from a religion of men into a perversion of witches and terrorism.

Islam is a modern day evil. Better us to confront it than our children.

Well that's BS. Every political movement has an ideology, a rational for doing good or evil. ISIS is a supremacist millenarian movement, sure. But where does their rationale and millenarian stuff come from? From a selective and biased reading of their religion.

Also: Islam has some good aspects too. ISIS chooses not to see them, but that doesn't mean they aren't there. Don't be a bigot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For your reading pleasure and edification, and because you atheists keep getting it wrong, and because you've derailed the thread anyway with your "pick and choose" malarkey...

Here's another instance of Jesus clearly and specifically counteracting parts of Old Testament:

"You have heard it said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' But I say to you, do not resist an evildoer. But if anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn the other also." (Matthew 5:38-39).

There are many contradictions in the Bible -- as atheists know, just as well as,if not better than, Christians. Many atheists were once Christians and became atheist in the process of reading the Bible carefully.

No good answer to what's above, huh?

If only you knew as much about Christianity and Islam as you think you do. Seriously. Unfortunately for us, what you lack in knowledge you more than compensate for with arrogance. (And if you're that rabid ex-Catholic who posts here 24/7, you seem unhinged, sadly.)

Ad-hominem attacks are never very effective, and often show the accuser's own weaknesses.

Drive-by shootings of religion (attacks that are brutal, but woefully uninformed and testify to the poster's inability to give it more than two seconds of thought, max) are never very effective, and often show the accuser's own weaknesses.

Drive-by shootings inflict real harm.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For your reading pleasure and edification, and because you atheists keep getting it wrong, and because you've derailed the thread anyway with your "pick and choose" malarkey...

Here's another instance of Jesus clearly and specifically counteracting parts of Old Testament:

"You have heard it said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' But I say to you, do not resist an evildoer. But if anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn the other also." (Matthew 5:38-39).

There are many contradictions in the Bible -- as atheists know, just as well as,if not better than, Christians. Many atheists were once Christians and became atheist in the process of reading the Bible carefully.

No good answer to what's above, huh?

If only you knew as much about Christianity and Islam as you think you do. Seriously. Unfortunately for us, what you lack in knowledge you more than compensate for with arrogance. (And if you're that rabid ex-Catholic who posts here 24/7, you seem unhinged, sadly.)

Ad-hominem attacks are never very effective, and often show the accuser's own weaknesses.

Drive-by shootings of religion (attacks that are brutal, but woefully uninformed and testify to the poster's inability to give it more than two seconds of thought, max) are never very effective, and often show the accuser's own weaknesses.

Drive-by shootings inflict real harm.

Deflections and red herrings are babyish.

(Are we done with this thread yet?)

[Anonymous]

another good example of an ad-hominem that continues discussion without adding substance

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:another good example of an ad-hominem that continues discussion without adding substance

Fact, not ad hominem. Because it's impossible to have an adult conversation with you, frankly. You clearly aren't interested in mature discussion. The moderator won't do anything about it so I might as well state the obvious about you instead of banging my head against the wall with substantive points.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
“Through ceaseless proselytizing and subtle pressure tactics, Al-Huda has brought a majority of my university’s students under the burqa,” Pervez Hoodbhoy previously wrote. “In comparison with my students of earlier decades, they are less confident, less willing to ask questions in class, and most have become silent note-takers. To sing, dance, play sports or act in dramas is, of course, out of the question for these unfortunates.”
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/2616776/tashfeen-malik-attended-al-huda-islamic-school-that-has-branches-in-u-s-and-canada/#WdHCU4dWXq1gqA82.99

Hoodbhoy: On the scale of human history, the Enlightenment is a very recent phenomenon, barely four hundred years old. One must be hopeful that Muslims will catch up. The real question is how to shake off the dead hand of tradition. The answer lies in doing away with an educational system that discourages questioning and stresses obedience. Reform in the Muslim world will have to begin here. At the core of this problem, lies the tyranny that teachers exert over their students. In Urdu, we say that the teacher is not just a teacher—he is also your father. But in our culture, fathers are considered all-wise, which means that teachers cannot be questioned.

http://www.meforum.org/2593/pervez-amirali-hoodbhoy-islam-science

Islam is NOT a religion. It is a political system that does not recognize ANY wall, any separation between government and religion.

Please. As long as there's an element of faith (God sent the Quran, ISIS' ridiculous millenarian beliefs) then it's a religion too. You're right that government and religion are more intermingled in Islam than in other faiths. But you said it yourself: religion is in the mix.

well you missed the point then.

anyone that believes in devils in the desert is free to do so to their hearts content.

But when they come bearing swords and force you to follow their own devils, then it has ceased to have any meaning, it has jumped from a religion of men into a perversion of witches and terrorism.

Islam is a modern day evil. Better us to confront it than our children.

Well that's BS. Every political movement has an ideology, a rational for doing good or evil. ISIS is a supremacist millenarian movement, sure. But where does their rationale and millenarian stuff come from? From a selective and biased reading of their religion.

Also: Islam has some good aspects too. ISIS chooses not to see them, but that doesn't mean they aren't there. Don't be a bigot.

People can follow whatever religion they want. But when it is political ideology and being forced on everyone in the country that is completely different. It is not a religion anymore. And needs to be treated very differently. Not benign. but actively managed and eliminated like a cancer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People can follow whatever religion they want. But when it is political ideology and being forced on everyone in the country that is completely different. It is not a religion anymore. And needs to be treated very differently. Not benign. but actively managed and eliminated like a cancer.

OK, you're referring to the fact that in Islam there is no separation of church/mosque and state, as there is in most other religions (Christ: render unto Caesar what is due Caesar and unto God what is due God).

That's very different from the issue of whether Islam is inherently malignant, as you also say above. I've posted earlier that you can find peace and war in the Quran (I've read it, but I bet you have not). It's bigoted to say or imply that all Muslims follow only the aggressive verses in the Quran. Most don't.