Seriously, why does you child need AAP?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm really confused as to why people who have children who score under 135 on a NNAT, CogAT, WISC or any other allowed test, think their child needs AAP and would somehow be disadvantaged in a general education classroom in a place like FCPS when the average score in a general education class is probably 119 - 134 anyway. Why does your child need AAP?

My kid is 125, and I want to leave him in the AAP. What bothers me are the kids over 135. Why are they not moved to the next grade in general education?

I have a kid that is way over 135. AAP is still moving too slow for her. She needs an actual gifted program. I'm not sure moving her to the next grade would work. I think it would still move too slow, there wouldn't be enough deep diving into subjects as they try to do in AAP (still not enough yet, but closer then gen ed). Also, concerns over maturity level of mixing kids that far apart in age.

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I agree with the pp. I have one "outlier" kid who would benefit so much more from an actual gifted program instead a water-down one. In 4th grade and she's still not getting challenged at all. And I mean, at all. She doesn't study, barely does homework (and since it doesn't count in their grade it doesn't really make a difference), and gets straight 4s. She learns more at home on the computer, reading, and doing extracurriculars.

Meanwhile, a classmates parent is telling me the other night how her kid is failing the math tests and gets to retake them. It's ashamed that this program is set up this way.

I have another kid that is "smart." The teacher's all fawn all over him. Why because he's sweet, follows all of the rules, listens to instructions, and generally does well in class. The teacher's already talking about AAP for him and DH and I are looking at each other like she's crazy. He doesn't need AAP. He does well in gen ed and that's where he'll stay. The other sibling, however, NEEDS this program to kick it up a notch and stop catering to every "smart" kid.

You could have the genius kid edit your posts for errors.

I could, but she's asleep and I'm not writing a thesis but late at night on an anonymous board. Plus, I'm paid for my ideas, not for perfect writing skills. I pay people for that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

I agree with the pp. I have one "outlier" kid who would benefit so much more from an actual gifted program instead a water-down one. In 4th grade and she's still not getting challenged at all. And I mean, at all. She doesn't study, barely does homework (and since it doesn't count in their grade it doesn't really make a difference), and gets straight 4s. She learns more at home on the computer, reading, and doing extracurriculars.

Meanwhile, a classmates parent is telling me the other night how her kid is failing the math tests and gets to retake them. It's ashamed that this program is set up this way.

I have another kid that is "smart." The teacher's all fawn all over him. Why because he's sweet, follows all of the rules, listens to instructions, and generally does well in class. The teacher's already talking about AAP for him and DH and I are looking at each other like she's crazy. He doesn't need AAP. He does well in gen ed and that's where he'll stay. The other sibling, however, NEEDS this program to kick it up a notch and stop catering to every "smart" kid.

You could have the genius kid edit your posts for errors.

I could, but she's asleep and I'm not writing a thesis but late at night on an anonymous board. Plus, I'm paid for my ideas, not for perfect writing skills. I pay people for that.

NP here- yes, no need to really write anything since someone else will do it for you. Hope your kids don't follow your philosophy of "I don't have to write well since others do it for me."

[Anonymous]

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I agree with the pp. I have one "outlier" kid who would benefit so much more from an actual gifted program instead a water-down one. In 4th grade and she's still not getting challenged at all. And I mean, at all. She doesn't study, barely does homework (and since it doesn't count in their grade it doesn't really make a difference), and gets straight 4s. She learns more at home on the computer, reading, and doing extracurriculars.

Meanwhile, a classmates parent is telling me the other night how her kid is failing the math tests and gets to retake them. It's ashamed that this program is set up this way.

I have another kid that is "smart." The teacher's all fawn all over him. Why because he's sweet, follows all of the rules, listens to instructions, and generally does well in class. The teacher's already talking about AAP for him and DH and I are looking at each other like she's crazy. He doesn't need AAP. He does well in gen ed and that's where he'll stay. The other sibling, however, NEEDS this program to kick it up a notch and stop catering to every "smart" kid.

You could have the genius kid edit your posts for errors.

I could, but she's asleep and I'm not writing a thesis but late at night on an anonymous board. Plus, I'm paid for my ideas, not for perfect writing skills. I pay people for that.

No one is paying for your ideas on this board. You know that, right? If so, why on earth would you say that other than to appear holier than thou?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm really confused as to why people who have children who score under 135 on a NNAT, CogAT, WISC or any other allowed test, think their child needs AAP and would somehow be disadvantaged in a general education classroom in a place like FCPS when the average score in a general education class is probably 119 - 134 anyway. Why does your child need AAP?

What a lovely question!

It sparks another one in my mind.

Why don't you homeschool your kid?

Huh? NP here. Not getting the hostility. I think the original question is a valid one. The answer is, a child with a score under 135 would be in no way disadvantaged in general ed. I know kids who scored 140 + and stayed at base school because they wanted to be with friends. They're now leaders and achievers in high school. There is far too much hysteria and misinformation about AAP. It is not a golden ticket. It will not make your kid smarter. In some cases I've seen kids who start to believe they're not as smart because they get to AAP and see what really smart actually is. The GT program was great for my oldest because he really was up there intelligence-wise, but my other two have done fine in General Ed and are top students in their respective high school classes. Many people seem far too concerned about getting all of their kids into AAP because they believe it is an advanced program and they want the best for their kids. It really is a program that was created for the outliers and would still best serve them if it hadn't been watered down by wannabes who need tutors to keep up.

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I also think a lot of parents who don't yet have high school-age kids think that AAP is (as you said) some sort of golden ticket to future success. They actually think that being in AAP will pave the way to high school valedictorian and the Ivies! It's ridiculous and funny in a gross kind of way, to hear the clamoring for AAP, as if a child in Gen Ed won't do equally well in high school and beyond. Either these parents are extremely naive or foolish... or both.

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I agree with the pp. I have one "outlier" kid who would benefit so much more from an actual gifted program instead a water-down one. In 4th grade and she's still not getting challenged at all. And I mean, at all. She doesn't study, barely does homework (and since it doesn't count in their grade it doesn't really make a difference), and gets straight 4s. She learns more at home on the computer, reading, and doing extracurriculars.

Meanwhile, a classmates parent is telling me the other night how her kid is failing the math tests and gets to retake them. It's ashamed that this program is set up this way.

I have another kid that is "smart." The teacher's all fawn all over him. Why because he's sweet, follows all of the rules, listens to instructions, and generally does well in class. The teacher's already talking about AAP for him and DH and I are looking at each other like she's crazy. He doesn't need AAP. He does well in gen ed and that's where he'll stay. The other sibling, however, NEEDS this program to kick it up a notch and stop catering to every "smart" kid.

You could have the genius kid edit your posts for errors.

I could, but she's asleep and I'm not writing a thesis but late at night on an anonymous board. Plus, I'm paid for my ideas, not for perfect writing skills. I pay people for that.

No one is paying for your ideas on this board. You know that, right? If so, why on earth would you say that other than to appear holier than thou?

Sarcasm folks. Why would the pp need to derail because I made a few errors in my post? It's late. I'm tired. I get up at 4am to meet a friend at the gym and the between work, family, etc. and then I go to bed at 10 or 11pm. I'm trying to discuss an issue on this thread and all the pp can think of is to comment on my writing skills. Usually I just ignore, but the grammar policing gets old fast.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm really confused as to why people who have children who score under 135 on a NNAT, CogAT, WISC or any other allowed test, think their child needs AAP and would somehow be disadvantaged in a general education classroom in a place like FCPS when the average score in a general education class is probably 119 - 134 anyway. Why does your child need AAP?

What a lovely question!

It sparks another one in my mind.

Why don't you homeschool your kid?

Huh? NP here. Not getting the hostility. I think the original question is a valid one. The answer is, a child with a score under 135 would be in no way disadvantaged in general ed. I know kids who scored 140 + and stayed at base school because they wanted to be with friends. They're now leaders and achievers in high school. There is far too much hysteria and misinformation about AAP. It is not a golden ticket. It will not make your kid smarter. In some cases I've seen kids who start to believe they're not as smart because they get to AAP and see what really smart actually is. The GT program was great for my oldest because he really was up there intelligence-wise, but my other two have done fine in General Ed and are top students in their respective high school classes. Many people seem far too concerned about getting all of their kids into AAP because they believe it is an advanced program and they want the best for their kids. It really is a program that was created for the outliers and would still best serve them if it hadn't been watered down by wannabes who need tutors to keep up.

Not getting the hostility? You don't seem to understand. You ARE the hostility on this board. Your post is a highlight reel of every repetitive, passive aggressive screed of useless anecdotes and vague group insults presented here by those who think they know better. What makes the original question any more valid than any answer given? Because someone is "curious" or "confused" why any parent might hold different views? No one is entitled to an answer to such a question because no answer is actually sought. To top it off, I can't help but read your post in the voice of Dolores Umbridge. Gross.

Wow, guess PP hit a nerve. I totally agree with him/her. GT was supposed to be a program for gifted outliers who couldn't get what they needed from a regular classroom. It's now a program chock full of "regular" kids and couldn't be more mainstream if it tried. So much for "gifted" education!

[Anonymous]

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I agree with the pp. I have one "outlier" kid who would benefit so much more from an actual gifted program instead a water-down one. In 4th grade and she's still not getting challenged at all. And I mean, at all. She doesn't study, barely does homework (and since it doesn't count in their grade it doesn't really make a difference), and gets straight 4s. She learns more at home on the computer, reading, and doing extracurriculars.

Meanwhile, a classmates parent is telling me the other night how her kid is failing the math tests and gets to retake them. It's ashamed that this program is set up this way.

I have another kid that is "smart." The teacher's all fawn all over him. Why because he's sweet, follows all of the rules, listens to instructions, and generally does well in class. The teacher's already talking about AAP for him and DH and I are looking at each other like she's crazy. He doesn't need AAP. He does well in gen ed and that's where he'll stay. The other sibling, however, NEEDS this program to kick it up a notch and stop catering to every "smart" kid.

You could have the genius kid edit your posts for errors.

I could, but she's asleep and I'm not writing a thesis but late at night on an anonymous board. Plus, I'm paid for my ideas, not for perfect writing skills. I pay people for that.

No one is paying for your ideas on this board. You know that, right? If so, why on earth would you say that other than to appear holier than thou?

Sarcasm folks. Why would the pp need to derail because I made a few errors in my post? It's late. I'm tired. I get up at 4am to meet a friend at the gym and the between work, family, etc. and then I go to bed at 10 or 11pm. I'm trying to discuss an issue on this thread and all the pp can think of is to comment on my writing skills. Usually I just ignore, but the grammar policing gets old fast.

They are policing your grammar because that's all they could find to pick apart. What you were actually saying makes too much sense and it threatens them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

I agree with the pp. I have one "outlier" kid who would benefit so much more from an actual gifted program instead a water-down one. In 4th grade and she's still not getting challenged at all. And I mean, at all. She doesn't study, barely does homework (and since it doesn't count in their grade it doesn't really make a difference), and gets straight 4s. She learns more at home on the computer, reading, and doing extracurriculars.

Meanwhile, a classmates parent is telling me the other night how her kid is failing the math tests and gets to retake them. It's ashamed that this program is set up this way.

I have another kid that is "smart." The teacher's all fawn all over him. Why because he's sweet, follows all of the rules, listens to instructions, and generally does well in class. The teacher's already talking about AAP for him and DH and I are looking at each other like she's crazy. He doesn't need AAP. He does well in gen ed and that's where he'll stay. The other sibling, however, NEEDS this program to kick it up a notch and stop catering to every "smart" kid.

You could have the genius kid edit your posts for errors.

I could, but she's asleep and I'm not writing a thesis but late at night on an anonymous board. Plus, I'm paid for my ideas, not for perfect writing skills. I pay people for that.

No one is paying for your ideas on this board. You know that, right? If so, why on earth would you say that other than to appear holier than thou?

Sarcasm folks. Why would the pp need to derail because I made a few errors in my post? It's late. I'm tired. I get up at 4am to meet a friend at the gym and the between work, family, etc. and then I go to bed at 10 or 11pm. I'm trying to discuss an issue on this thread and all the pp can think of is to comment on my writing skills. Usually I just ignore, but the grammar policing gets old fast.

Lol, the outlier gang talking about something "getting old".

[Anonymous]

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I agree with the pp. I have one "outlier" kid who would benefit so much more from an actual gifted program instead a water-down one. In 4th grade and she's still not getting challenged at all. And I mean, at all. She doesn't study, barely does homework (and since it doesn't count in their grade it doesn't really make a difference), and gets straight 4s. She learns more at home on the computer, reading, and doing extracurriculars.

Meanwhile, a classmates parent is telling me the other night how her kid is failing the math tests and gets to retake them. It's ashamed that this program is set up this way.

I have another kid that is "smart." The teacher's all fawn all over him. Why because he's sweet, follows all of the rules, listens to instructions, and generally does well in class. The teacher's already talking about AAP for him and DH and I are looking at each other like she's crazy. He doesn't need AAP. He does well in gen ed and that's where he'll stay. The other sibling, however, NEEDS this program to kick it up a notch and stop catering to every "smart" kid.

You could have the genius kid edit your posts for errors.

I could, but she's asleep and I'm not writing a thesis but late at night on an anonymous board. Plus, I'm paid for my ideas, not for perfect writing skills. I pay people for that.

No one is paying for your ideas on this board. You know that, right? If so, why on earth would you say that other than to appear holier than thou?

Sarcasm folks. Why would the pp need to derail because I made a few errors in my post? It's late. I'm tired. I get up at 4am to meet a friend at the gym and the between work, family, etc. and then I go to bed at 10 or 11pm. I'm trying to discuss an issue on this thread and all the pp can think of is to comment on my writing skills. Usually I just ignore, but the grammar policing gets old fast.

Lol, the outlier gang talking about something "getting old".

If a child maxed out the NNAT and COGAT and has an IQ over 150, do you think "outlier" is appropriate?

[Anonymous]

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I agree with the pp. I have one "outlier" kid who would benefit so much more from an actual gifted program instead a water-down one. In 4th grade and she's still not getting challenged at all. And I mean, at all. She doesn't study, barely does homework (and since it doesn't count in their grade it doesn't really make a difference), and gets straight 4s. She learns more at home on the computer, reading, and doing extracurriculars.

Meanwhile, a classmates parent is telling me the other night how her kid is failing the math tests and gets to retake them. It's ashamed that this program is set up this way.

I have another kid that is "smart." The teacher's all fawn all over him. Why because he's sweet, follows all of the rules, listens to instructions, and generally does well in class. The teacher's already talking about AAP for him and DH and I are looking at each other like she's crazy. He doesn't need AAP. He does well in gen ed and that's where he'll stay. The other sibling, however, NEEDS this program to kick it up a notch and stop catering to every "smart" kid.

You could have the genius kid edit your posts for errors.

I could, but she's asleep and I'm not writing a thesis but late at night on an anonymous board. Plus, I'm paid for my ideas, not for perfect writing skills. I pay people for that.

No one is paying for your ideas on this board. You know that, right? If so, why on earth would you say that other than to appear holier than thou?

Sarcasm folks. Why would the pp need to derail because I made a few errors in my post? It's late. I'm tired. I get up at 4am to meet a friend at the gym and the between work, family, etc. and then I go to bed at 10 or 11pm. I'm trying to discuss an issue on this thread and all the pp can think of is to comment on my writing skills. Usually I just ignore, but the grammar policing gets old fast.

Lol, the outlier gang talking about something "getting old".

If a child maxed out the NNAT and COGAT and has an IQ over 150, do you think "outlier" is appropriate?

And yes, this conversation is getting old. Most of the kids in the program don't belong in what should be a gifted program.

[Anonymous]

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I agree with the pp. I have one "outlier" kid who would benefit so much more from an actual gifted program instead a water-down one. In 4th grade and she's still not getting challenged at all. And I mean, at all. She doesn't study, barely does homework (and since it doesn't count in their grade it doesn't really make a difference), and gets straight 4s. She learns more at home on the computer, reading, and doing extracurriculars.

Meanwhile, a classmates parent is telling me the other night how her kid is failing the math tests and gets to retake them. It's ashamed that this program is set up this way.

I have another kid that is "smart." The teacher's all fawn all over him. Why because he's sweet, follows all of the rules, listens to instructions, and generally does well in class. The teacher's already talking about AAP for him and DH and I are looking at each other like she's crazy. He doesn't need AAP. He does well in gen ed and that's where he'll stay. The other sibling, however, NEEDS this program to kick it up a notch and stop catering to every "smart" kid.

You could have the genius kid edit your posts for errors.

I could, but she's asleep and I'm not writing a thesis but late at night on an anonymous board. Plus, I'm paid for my ideas, not for perfect writing skills. I pay people for that.

No one is paying for your ideas on this board. You know that, right? If so, why on earth would you say that other than to appear holier than thou?

Sarcasm folks. Why would the pp need to derail because I made a few errors in my post? It's late. I'm tired. I get up at 4am to meet a friend at the gym and the between work, family, etc. and then I go to bed at 10 or 11pm. I'm trying to discuss an issue on this thread and all the pp can think of is to comment on my writing skills. Usually I just ignore, but the grammar policing gets old fast.

Lol, the outlier gang talking about something "getting old".

If a child maxed out the NNAT and COGAT and has an IQ over 150, do you think "outlier" is appropriate?

And yes, this conversation is getting old. Most of the kids in the program don't belong in what should be a gifted program.

It is ADVANCED academic program- not gifted. They eliminated that GT term years ago- hello.

[Anonymous]

They are policing your grammar because that's all they could find to pick apart. What you were actually saying makes too much sense and it threatens them.

You couldn't be more wrong, unless the funny bone counts as "hitting a nerve". Jokes are made because they're more fun than the pointless ping pong of this board. You act as if nameless parents toying with you are the illuminati running the FCPS show. If you really have a problem with AAP this is the last place to get anything done about it. The current system exists for a reason that certainly predates my family's involvement. If you think your kid is being shortchanged actually do something about it and report back. But if you think clucking about here is anything more than entertainment you've got bigger problems than grammar.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I also think a lot of parents who don't yet have high school-age kids think that AAP is (as you said) some sort of golden ticket to future success. They actually think that being in AAP will pave the way to high school valedictorian and the Ivies! It's ridiculous and funny in a gross kind of way, to hear the clamoring for AAP, as if a child in Gen Ed won't do equally well in high school and beyond. Either these parents are extremely naive or foolish... or both.

I think AAP exists for those students who need it to stay engaged in learning. Their parents understand this and are looking to meet their child's current needs. It's the parents of children in general education classrooms who are worried about whether their kids can be academically competitive in high school. They need to calm down. Of course any bright child can do well in high school. Qualifying for AAP indicates that a child is academically gifted - it's not a guarantee of success in the future. Many other things factor into this - work habits, energy levels, executive function skills, social skills.

[Anonymous]

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I agree with the pp. I have one "outlier" kid who would benefit so much more from an actual gifted program instead a water-down one. In 4th grade and she's still not getting challenged at all. And I mean, at all. She doesn't study, barely does homework (and since it doesn't count in their grade it doesn't really make a difference), and gets straight 4s. She learns more at home on the computer, reading, and doing extracurriculars.

Meanwhile, a classmates parent is telling me the other night how her kid is failing the math tests and gets to retake them. It's ashamed that this program is set up this way.

I have another kid that is "smart." The teacher's all fawn all over him. Why because he's sweet, follows all of the rules, listens to instructions, and generally does well in class. The teacher's already talking about AAP for him and DH and I are looking at each other like she's crazy. He doesn't need AAP. He does well in gen ed and that's where he'll stay. The other sibling, however, NEEDS this program to kick it up a notch and stop catering to every "smart" kid.

You could have the genius kid edit your posts for errors.

I could, but she's asleep and I'm not writing a thesis but late at night on an anonymous board. Plus, I'm paid for my ideas, not for perfect writing skills. I pay people for that.

No one is paying for your ideas on this board. You know that, right? If so, why on earth would you say that other than to appear holier than thou?

Sarcasm folks. Why would the pp need to derail because I made a few errors in my post? It's late. I'm tired. I get up at 4am to meet a friend at the gym and the between work, family, etc. and then I go to bed at 10 or 11pm. I'm trying to discuss an issue on this thread and all the pp can think of is to comment on my writing skills. Usually I just ignore, but the grammar policing gets old fast.

Lol, the outlier gang talking about something "getting old".

If a child maxed out the NNAT and COGAT and has an IQ over 150, do you think "outlier" is appropriate?

Not necessarily. You make it seem as if he has no peer group.