Seriously, why does you child need AAP?

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Anonymous wrote:My child scored a 120 on the NNAT and I thought that would not be considered suited for AAP. But in the parent teacher conference, the teacher suggested that my kid would do very well in AAP and recommend that we put a referral in. Since I am not a teacher and I do not know what other 2nd graders are doing, I count on the teacher's expertise. Because of that, we are going to refer. Otherwise we would not.

What? You are trusting the teacher and communicating with him/her to discuss what is best for your child? And you are following up based on such a discussion?

Are you mad?

Sadly I don't trust all teachers' judgement. Our oldest child's 1st grade teacher told us she should fail 1st grade because she couldn't do the work. She has a 150 IQ. The teacher didn't know how to recognize a child that didn't fit the mold of a "good, smart kid." So, I don't think all teacher's know what's best.

You do understand that at that age, a teacher can only present her concerns based on what she sees, right? For example, if you have a kid who is a whiz at math but continually makes stupid mistakes, wrong is wrong with math so his papers may be on part with a kid who is totally confused with math.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's really to get away from poor kids.

Not in our AAP school. In fact there was significantly more low income as well as diversity in our AAP school than our neighborhood school.

Is the AAP portion of the AAP school more diverse or is it the AAP school as a whole that is more diverse?

Both AAP portion and the non-AAP portion are very diverse... but I will say that at least in my kid's center, the AAP part is more white. The base part of the center is probably 90% minority... so even if the AAP part is 50% white -- it's a lot more white than the base part of the school.

which school?

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's really to get away from poor kids.

True but it's a way for those who scrimped on buying to get away from the poor kids

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Anonymous wrote:I'm really confused as to why people who have children who score under 135 on a NNAT, CogAT, WISC or any other allowed test, think their child needs AAP and would somehow be disadvantaged in a general education classroom in a place like FCPS when the average score in a general education class is probably 119 - 134 anyway. Why does your child need AAP?

My kid does not mind being in the AAP. He is not the super high scorer but he is smart in my opinion. So I'll leave him there, until the school system comes up with something better.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm really confused as to why people who have children who score under 135 on a NNAT, CogAT, WISC or any other allowed test, think their child needs AAP and would somehow be disadvantaged in a general education classroom in a place like FCPS when the average score in a general education class is probably 119 - 134 anyway. Why does your child need AAP?

My kid is 125, and I want to leave him in the AAP. What bothers me are the kids over 135. Why are they not moved to the next grade in general education?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm really confused as to why people who have children who score under 135 on a NNAT, CogAT, WISC or any other allowed test, think their child needs AAP and would somehow be disadvantaged in a general education classroom in a place like FCPS when the average score in a general education class is probably 119 - 134 anyway. Why does your child need AAP?

My kid is 125, and I want to leave him in the AAP. What bothers me are the kids over 135. Why are they not moved to the next grade in general education?

Your kid got in on 125? My kid got a 125 on the WISC (95% that the OP also thinks is dumb) and I was told not to even think about AAP. Basically she's not smart enough since she only scored over 130 on 1 sub part.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm really confused as to why people who have children who score under 135 on a NNAT, CogAT, WISC or any other allowed test, think their child needs AAP and would somehow be disadvantaged in a general education classroom in a place like FCPS when the average score in a general education class is probably 119 - 134 anyway. Why does your child need AAP?

What do you do with a kid who scores well in one test but not others? For example, what about a kid how has a really high IQ, but average NNAT and FxAT results? Would that kid belong even if the parents never had his IQ tested, but teachers gave him a 16 GBRS?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm really confused as to why people who have children who score under 135 on a NNAT, CogAT, WISC or any other allowed test, think their child needs AAP and would somehow be disadvantaged in a general education classroom in a place like FCPS when the average score in a general education class is probably 119 - 134 anyway. Why does your child need AAP?

What a lovely question!

It sparks another one in my mind.

Why don't you homeschool your kid?

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Plenty of GE kids are in the 120 range, my kid included. I have a friend whose child had very different scores. 160 NNAT and 70% on CogAt. This child is in AAP.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's really to get away from poor kids.

Not in our AAP school. In fact there was significantly more low income as well as diversity in our AAP school than our neighborhood school.

Is the AAP portion of the AAP school more diverse or is it the AAP school as a whole that is more diverse?

Both AAP portion and the non-AAP portion are very diverse... but I will say that at least in my kid's center, the AAP part is more white. The base part of the center is probably 90% minority... so even if the AAP part is 50% white -- it's a lot more white than the base part of the school.

which school?

Actually, I must correct myself. The whole school (center and gen ed together) has 30% white kids. Most of that is in aap, so it might be more like 40% white kids in aap and about 10% of the non-aap kids are white...the stats don't break it out, but the yearbook gives you some idea of the breakdown.

Definitely not running to the center to "escape the poor or brown kids." Our base school is not a "rich" neighborhood, but pretty low farms (11%) and more caucasian than the center.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm really confused as to why people who have children who score under 135 on a NNAT, CogAT, WISC or any other allowed test, think their child needs AAP and would somehow be disadvantaged in a general education classroom in a place like FCPS when the average score in a general education class is probably 119 - 134 anyway. Why does your child need AAP?

What a lovely question!

It sparks another one in my mind.

Why don't you homeschool your kid?

Huh? NP here. Not getting the hostility. I think the original question is a valid one. The answer is, a child with a score under 135 would be in no way disadvantaged in general ed. I know kids who scored 140 + and stayed at base school because they wanted to be with friends. They're now leaders and achievers in high school. There is far too much hysteria and misinformation about AAP. It is not a golden ticket. It will not make your kid smarter. In some cases I've seen kids who start to believe they're not as smart because they get to AAP and see what really smart actually is. The GT program was great for my oldest because he really was up there intelligence-wise, but my other two have done fine in General Ed and are top students in their respective high school classes. Many people seem far too concerned about getting all of their kids into AAP because they believe it is an advanced program and they want the best for their kids. It really is a program that was created for the outliers and would still best serve them if it hadn't been watered down by wannabes who need tutors to keep up.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm really confused as to why people who have children who score under 135 on a NNAT, CogAT, WISC or any other allowed test, think their child needs AAP and would somehow be disadvantaged in a general education classroom in a place like FCPS when the average score in a general education class is probably 119 - 134 anyway. Why does your child need AAP?

What a lovely question!

It sparks another one in my mind.

Why don't you homeschool your kid?

Huh? NP here. Not getting the hostility. I think the original question is a valid one. The answer is, a child with a score under 135 would be in no way disadvantaged in general ed. I know kids who scored 140 + and stayed at base school because they wanted to be with friends. They're now leaders and achievers in high school. There is far too much hysteria and misinformation about AAP. It is not a golden ticket. It will not make your kid smarter. In some cases I've seen kids who start to believe they're not as smart because they get to AAP and see what really smart actually is. The GT program was great for my oldest because he really was up there intelligence-wise, but my other two have done fine in General Ed and are top students in their respective high school classes. Many people seem far too concerned about getting all of their kids into AAP because they believe it is an advanced program and they want the best for their kids. It really is a program that was created for the outliers and would still best serve them if it hadn't been watered down by wannabes who need tutors to keep up.

Not getting the hostility? You don't seem to understand. You ARE the hostility on this board. Your post is a highlight reel of every repetitive, passive aggressive screed of useless anecdotes and vague group insults presented here by those who think they know better. What makes the original question any more valid than any answer given? Because someone is "curious" or "confused" why any parent might hold different views? No one is entitled to an answer to such a question because no answer is actually sought. To top it off, I can't help but read your post in the voice of Dolores Umbridge. Gross.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm really confused as to why people who have children who score under 135 on a NNAT, CogAT, WISC or any other allowed test, think their child needs AAP and would somehow be disadvantaged in a general education classroom in a place like FCPS when the average score in a general education class is probably 119 - 134 anyway. Why does your child need AAP?

What a lovely question!

It sparks another one in my mind.

Why don't you homeschool your kid?

Huh? NP here. Not getting the hostility. I think the original question is a valid one. The answer is, a child with a score under 135 would be in no way disadvantaged in general ed. I know kids who scored 140 + and stayed at base school because they wanted to be with friends. They're now leaders and achievers in high school. There is far too much hysteria and misinformation about AAP. It is not a golden ticket. It will not make your kid smarter. In some cases I've seen kids who start to believe they're not as smart because they get to AAP and see what really smart actually is. The GT program was great for my oldest because he really was up there intelligence-wise, but my other two have done fine in General Ed and are top students in their respective high school classes. Many people seem far too concerned about getting all of their kids into AAP because they believe it is an advanced program and they want the best for their kids. It really is a program that was created for the outliers and would still best serve them if it hadn't been watered down by wannabes who need tutors to keep up.

Not getting the hostility? You don't seem to understand. You ARE the hostility on this board. Your post is a highlight reel of every repetitive, passive aggressive screed of useless anecdotes and vague group insults presented here by those who think they know better. What makes the original question any more valid than any answer given? Because someone is "curious" or "confused" why any parent might hold different views? No one is entitled to an answer to such a question because no answer is actually sought. To top it off, I can't help but read your post in the voice of Dolores Umbridge. Gross.

NP here, I don't understand why that not getting hostility poster is even posting here. Your kids are done with GT/AAP- what you describe was beneficial for one child but not deemed appropriate for your other two. Old news- you have NO skin in this game anymore (I'm sure you would have gone on and on about your eldest needing AAP when that kid was int he program) so go away.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm really confused as to why people who have children who score under 135 on a NNAT, CogAT, WISC or any other allowed test, think their child needs AAP and would somehow be disadvantaged in a general education classroom in a place like FCPS when the average score in a general education class is probably 119 - 134 anyway. Why does your child need AAP?

What a lovely question!

It sparks another one in my mind.

Why don't you homeschool your kid?

Huh? NP here. Not getting the hostility. I think the original question is a valid one. The answer is, a child with a score under 135 would be in no way disadvantaged in general ed. I know kids who scored 140 + and stayed at base school because they wanted to be with friends. They're now leaders and achievers in high school. There is far too much hysteria and misinformation about AAP. It is not a golden ticket. It will not make your kid smarter. In some cases I've seen kids who start to believe they're not as smart because they get to AAP and see what really smart actually is. The GT program was great for my oldest because he really was up there intelligence-wise, but my other two have done fine in General Ed and are top students in their respective high school classes. Many people seem far too concerned about getting all of their kids into AAP because they believe it is an advanced program and they want the best for their kids. It really is a program that was created for the outliers and would still best serve them if it hadn't been watered down by wannabes who need tutors to keep up.

Not getting the hostility? You don't seem to understand. You ARE the hostility on this board. Your post is a highlight reel of every repetitive, passive aggressive screed of useless anecdotes and vague group insults presented here by those who think they know better. What makes the original question any more valid than any answer given? Because someone is "curious" or "confused" why any parent might hold different views? No one is entitled to an answer to such a question because no answer is actually sought. To top it off, I can't help but read your post in the voice of Dolores Umbridge. Gross.

I agree with the pp. I have one "outlier" kid who would benefit so much more from an actual gifted program instead a water-down one. In 4th grade and she's still not getting challenged at all. And I mean, at all. She doesn't study, barely does homework (and since it doesn't count in their grade it doesn't really make a difference), and gets straight 4s. She learns more at home on the computer, reading, and doing extracurriculars.

Meanwhile, a classmates parent is telling me the other night how her kid is failing the math tests and gets to retake them. It's ashamed that this program is set up this way.

I have another kid that is "smart." The teacher's all fawn all over him. Why because he's sweet, follows all of the rules, listens to instructions, and generally does well in class. The teacher's already talking about AAP for him and DH and I are looking at each other like she's crazy. He doesn't need AAP. He does well in gen ed and that's where he'll stay. The other sibling, however, NEEDS this program to kick it up a notch and stop catering to every "smart" kid.

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I agree with the pp. I have one "outlier" kid who would benefit so much more from an actual gifted program instead a water-down one. In 4th grade and she's still not getting challenged at all. And I mean, at all. She doesn't study, barely does homework (and since it doesn't count in their grade it doesn't really make a difference), and gets straight 4s. She learns more at home on the computer, reading, and doing extracurriculars.

Meanwhile, a classmates parent is telling me the other night how her kid is failing the math tests and gets to retake them. It's ashamed that this program is set up this way.

I have another kid that is "smart." The teacher's all fawn all over him. Why because he's sweet, follows all of the rules, listens to instructions, and generally does well in class. The teacher's already talking about AAP for him and DH and I are looking at each other like she's crazy. He doesn't need AAP. He does well in gen ed and that's where he'll stay. The other sibling, however, NEEDS this program to kick it up a notch and stop catering to every "smart" kid.

You could have the genius kid edit your posts for errors.