Seriously, why does you child need AAP?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm really confused as to why people who have children who score under 135 on a NNAT, CogAT, WISC or any other allowed test, think their child needs AAP and would somehow be disadvantaged in a general education classroom in a place like FCPS when the average score in a general education class is probably 119 - 134 anyway. Why does your child need AAP?

My kid is 125, and I want to leave him in the AAP. What bothers me are the kids over 135. Why are they not moved to the next grade in general education?

I have a kid that is way over 135. AAP is still moving too slow for her. She needs an actual gifted program. I'm not sure moving her to the next grade would work. I think it would still move too slow, there wouldn't be enough deep diving into subjects as they try to do in AAP (still not enough yet, but closer then gen ed). Also, concerns over maturity level of mixing kids that far apart in age.

Wow. When parents start asking why the truly brilliant kids aren't moved out of AAP and up a grade (into General Ed, no less) , you KNOW AAP has lost its way. Talk about misguided entitlement. Your 125 kid (is that even a thing? creepy) is slightly above average for around here, i.e., nothing special. He/she is what Gen. Ed was created for.

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I agree with the pp. I have one "outlier" kid who would benefit so much more from an actual gifted program instead a water-down one. In 4th grade and she's still not getting challenged at all. And I mean, at all. She doesn't study, barely does homework (and since it doesn't count in their grade it doesn't really make a difference), and gets straight 4s. She learns more at home on the computer, reading, and doing extracurriculars.

Meanwhile, a classmates parent is telling me the other night how her kid is failing the math tests and gets to retake them. It's ashamed that this program is set up this way.

I have another kid that is "smart." The teacher's all fawn all over him. Why because he's sweet, follows all of the rules, listens to instructions, and generally does well in class. The teacher's already talking about AAP for him and DH and I are looking at each other like she's crazy. He doesn't need AAP. He does well in gen ed and that's where he'll stay. The other sibling, however, NEEDS this program to kick it up a notch and stop catering to every "smart" kid.

You could have the genius kid edit your posts for errors.

I could, but she's asleep and I'm not writing a thesis but late at night on an anonymous board. Plus, I'm paid for my ideas, not for perfect writing skills. I pay people for that.

No one is paying for your ideas on this board. You know that, right? If so, why on earth would you say that other than to appear holier than thou?

Sarcasm folks. Why would the pp need to derail because I made a few errors in my post? It's late. I'm tired. I get up at 4am to meet a friend at the gym and the between work, family, etc. and then I go to bed at 10 or 11pm. I'm trying to discuss an issue on this thread and all the pp can think of is to comment on my writing skills. Usually I just ignore, but the grammar policing gets old fast.

Lol, the outlier gang talking about something "getting old".

If a child maxed out the NNAT and COGAT and has an IQ over 150, do you think "outlier" is appropriate?

Not necessarily. You make it seem as if he has no peer group.

She did not have an academic peer group within her own grade. This is exactly the reason why she "needs" something different than the gen ed class. It's not a healthy environment for anyone involved. Clearly the AAP is not a gifted program, but it's the closest thing we have right now. Each teacher has been a different experience, as expected. Some meshed better with her than others. Last year, the teacher gave her extra projects, allowed her to demonstrate science experiments to the class, etc. The teacher was able to really differentiate in the AAP class. This year, the teacher is hell bent on teaching the kids that she is all-knowing and in charge. The parents with the highly gifted kids and parents with the high achievers are all having issues. It's a joke.

We've just explained to our DD that just like a job in the real world, you will have bosses that you love and work well with and others not so much. You need to learn as much as you can from all of them, not let it affect your outlook, and then move on when possible.

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Wow. When parents start asking why the truly brilliant kids aren't moved out of AAP and up a grade (into General Ed, no less) , you KNOW AAP has lost its way. Talk about misguided entitlement. Your 125 kid (is that even a thing? creepy) is slightly above average for around here, i.e., nothing special. He/she is what Gen. Ed was created for.

No need to feign astonishment. The idea of AAP "losing its way" and not serving "truly brilliant kids" is one of the most common themes rehashed ad nauseam on this board. Has been for years and nothing ever comes of it. Suggestions to skip a grade or seek special ed. status are just part of the liturgy.

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Wow. When parents start asking why the truly brilliant kids aren't moved out of AAP and up a grade (into General Ed, no less) , you KNOW AAP has lost its way. Talk about misguided entitlement. Your 125 kid (is that even a thing? creepy) is slightly above average for around here, i.e., nothing special. He/she is what Gen. Ed was created for.

No need to feign astonishment. The idea of AAP "losing its way" and not serving "truly brilliant kids" is one of the most common themes rehashed ad nauseam on this board. Has been for years and nothing ever comes of it. Suggestions to skip a grade or seek special ed. status are just part of the liturgy.

NP here:

+1 There are those that go around truly believing their kid(s) "really" belong but others don't.

--AAP is slipping now - nearly anyone who causes a stink can get in

--Sounds like Gen Ed. is perfect for your child

--My child really NEEDS the program (insinuating others do not).

--My child spent the last few years in school bored to tears and the teacher thought it was great when she could help others read.

--My child's behaviour and grades were mediocre until AAP because the teacher didn't understand giftedness. Of course she was acting out when she was asked to do math 3 years beneath her level

--My child now THRIVES in school.

--Honestly, your child is not what AAP is intended for.

--Signed a parent whose kid is in AAP

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Anonymous wrote:I'm really confused as to why people who have children who score under 135 on a NNAT, CogAT, WISC or any other allowed test, think their child needs AAP and would somehow be disadvantaged in a general education classroom in a place like FCPS when the average score in a general education class is probably 119 - 134 anyway. Why does your child need AAP?

My kid is 125, and I want to leave him in the AAP. What bothers me are the kids over 135. Why are they not moved to the next grade in general education?

I have a kid that is way over 135. AAP is still moving too slow for her. She needs an actual gifted program. I'm not sure moving her to the next grade would work. I think it would still move too slow, there wouldn't be enough deep diving into subjects as they try to do in AAP (still not enough yet, but closer then gen ed). Also, concerns over maturity level of mixing kids that far apart in age.

Not in VA, but I agree that moving a kid to the next grade doesn't always help. Every grade has a range of IQs, and socially and developmentally, I think kids do better among age mates. Sometimes moving a kid up a grade makes him/her the smartest, least mature kid in the class (aka bully magnet).

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Anonymous wrote:I'm really confused as to why people who have children who score under 135 on a NNAT, CogAT, WISC or any other allowed test, think their child needs AAP and would somehow be disadvantaged in a general education classroom in a place like FCPS when the average score in a general education class is probably 119 - 134 anyway. Why does your child need AAP?

My kid is 125, and I want to leave him in the AAP. What bothers me are the kids over 135. Why are they not moved to the next grade in general education?

I have a kid that is way over 135. AAP is still moving too slow for her. She needs an actual gifted program. I'm not sure moving her to the next grade would work. I think it would still move too slow, there wouldn't be enough deep diving into subjects as they try to do in AAP (still not enough yet, but closer then gen ed). Also, concerns over maturity level of mixing kids that far apart in age.

Not in VA, but I agree that moving a kid to the next grade doesn't always help. Every grade has a range of IQs, and socially and developmentally, I think kids do better among age mates. Sometimes moving a kid up a grade makes him/her the smartest, least mature kid in the class (aka bully magnet).

Yes, and suggesting that a kid should skip a grade as opposed to be part of a program that was created for kids just like him (but has since been taken over by garden variety smart kids) is absurd.

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Wow. When parents start asking why the truly brilliant kids aren't moved out of AAP and up a grade (into General Ed, no less) , you KNOW AAP has lost its way. Talk about misguided entitlement. Your 125 kid (is that even a thing? creepy) is slightly above average for around here, i.e., nothing special. He/she is what Gen. Ed was created for.

No need to feign astonishment. The idea of AAP "losing its way" and not serving "truly brilliant kids" is one of the most common themes rehashed ad nauseam on this board. Has been for years and nothing ever comes of it. Suggestions to skip a grade or seek special ed. status are just part of the liturgy.

NP here:

+1 There are those that go around truly believing their kid(s) "really" belong but others don't.

--AAP is slipping now - nearly anyone who causes a stink can get in

--Sounds like Gen Ed. is perfect for your child

--My child really NEEDS the program (insinuating others do not).

--My child spent the last few years in school bored to tears and the teacher thought it was great when she could help others read.

--My child's behaviour and grades were mediocre until AAP because the teacher didn't understand giftedness. Of course she was acting out when she was asked to do math 3 years beneath her level

--My child now THRIVES in school.

--Honestly, your child is not what AAP is intended for.

--Signed a parent whose kid is in AAP

Part of the reason the theme is repeated "ad nauseam is because it's true. It is SO bizarre that people like you don't seem to get that and would rather put down a poster for suggesting that things get reined in. All this list you've included is is more noise meant to distract folks from the main point.

And who says nothing will ever come of it. I think the fact that AAP is one of the programs on the chopping block speaks volumes about what people think about it. The majority of teachers who used the budget tool and might be expected to know a little about education, were for cutting it.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm really confused as to why people who have children who score under 135 on a NNAT, CogAT, WISC or any other allowed test, think their child needs AAP and would somehow be disadvantaged in a general education classroom in a place like FCPS when the average score in a general education class is probably 119 - 134 anyway. Why does your child need AAP?

My kid is 125, and I want to leave him in the AAP. What bothers me are the kids over 135. Why are they not moved to the next grade in general education?

I have a kid that is way over 135. AAP is still moving too slow for her. She needs an actual gifted program. I'm not sure moving her to the next grade would work. I think it would still move too slow, there wouldn't be enough deep diving into subjects as they try to do in AAP (still not enough yet, but closer then gen ed). Also, concerns over maturity level of mixing kids that far apart in age.

Not in VA, but I agree that moving a kid to the next grade doesn't always help. Every grade has a range of IQs, and socially and developmentally, I think kids do better among age mates. Sometimes moving a kid up a grade makes him/her the smartest, least mature kid in the class (aka bully magnet).

Yes, and suggesting that a kid should skip a grade as opposed to be part of a program that was created for kids just like him (but has since been taken over by garden variety smart kids) is absurd.

Likewise, exclaiming that your kid's classmates are "garden variety" and should be kicked back to Gen Ed because they are not truly gifted and never would have made the cut 15 years ago is absurd.

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Part of the reason the theme is repeated "ad nauseam is because it's true. It is SO bizarre that people like you don't seem to get that and would rather put down a poster for suggesting that things get reined in. All this list you've included is is more noise meant to distract folks from the main point.

And who says nothing will ever come of it. I think the fact that AAP is one of the programs on the chopping block speaks volumes about what people think about it. The majority of teachers who used the budget tool and might be expected to know a little about education, were for cutting it.

Yes, Napoleon, it's SO bizarre that people can't accept your dictates.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm really confused as to why people who have children who score under 135 on a NNAT, CogAT, WISC or any other allowed test, think their child needs AAP and would somehow be disadvantaged in a general education classroom in a place like FCPS when the average score in a general education class is probably 119 - 134 anyway. Why does your child need AAP?

My kid is 125, and I want to leave him in the AAP. What bothers me are the kids over 135. Why are they not moved to the next grade in general education?

I have a kid that is way over 135. AAP is still moving too slow for her. She needs an actual gifted program. I'm not sure moving her to the next grade would work. I think it would still move too slow, there wouldn't be enough deep diving into subjects as they try to do in AAP (still not enough yet, but closer then gen ed). Also, concerns over maturity level of mixing kids that far apart in age.

Not in VA, but I agree that moving a kid to the next grade doesn't always help. Every grade has a range of IQs, and socially and developmentally, I think kids do better among age mates. Sometimes moving a kid up a grade makes him/her the smartest, least mature kid in the class (aka bully magnet).

Yes, and suggesting that a kid should skip a grade as opposed to be part of a program that was created for kids just like him (but has since been taken over by garden variety smart kids) is absurd.

Likewise, exclaiming that your kid's classmates are "garden variety" and should be kicked back to Gen Ed because they are not truly gifted and never would have made the cut 15 years ago is absurd.

Sadly, the only one's really being hurt in all of this are the truly gifted kids. They are still not getting the special education that would meet them at their appropriate level nor do they have a classroom environment that is appropriate to meet their needs.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm really confused as to why people who have children who score under 135 on a NNAT, CogAT, WISC or any other allowed test, think their child needs AAP and would somehow be disadvantaged in a general education classroom in a place like FCPS when the average score in a general education class is probably 119 - 134 anyway. Why does your child need AAP?

My kid is 125, and I want to leave him in the AAP. What bothers me are the kids over 135. Why are they not moved to the next grade in general education?

I have a kid that is way over 135. AAP is still moving too slow for her. She needs an actual gifted program. I'm not sure moving her to the next grade would work. I think it would still move too slow, there wouldn't be enough deep diving into subjects as they try to do in AAP (still not enough yet, but closer then gen ed). Also, concerns over maturity level of mixing kids that far apart in age.

Not in VA, but I agree that moving a kid to the next grade doesn't always help. Every grade has a range of IQs, and socially and developmentally, I think kids do better among age mates. Sometimes moving a kid up a grade makes him/her the smartest, least mature kid in the class (aka bully magnet).

Yes, and suggesting that a kid should skip a grade as opposed to be part of a program that was created for kids just like him (but has since been taken over by garden variety smart kids) is absurd.

Likewise, exclaiming that your kid's classmates are "garden variety" and should be kicked back to Gen Ed because they are not truly gifted and never would have made the cut 15 years ago is absurd.

Sadly, the only one's really being hurt in all of this are the truly gifted kids. They are still not getting the special education that would meet them at their appropriate level nor do they have a classroom environment that is appropriate to meet their needs.

And there we have it folks, once again it comes down to not just AAP v. Gen Ed. but my kid really needs AAP and yours (in AAP) doesn't.

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Wow. When parents start asking why the truly brilliant kids aren't moved out of AAP and up a grade (into General Ed, no less) , you KNOW AAP has lost its way. Talk about misguided entitlement. Your 125 kid (is that even a thing? creepy) is slightly above average for around here, i.e., nothing special. He/she is what Gen. Ed was created for.

No need to feign astonishment. The idea of AAP "losing its way" and not serving "truly brilliant kids" is one of the most common themes rehashed ad nauseam on this board. Has been for years and nothing ever comes of it. Suggestions to skip a grade or seek special ed. status are just part of the liturgy.

NP here:

+1 There are those that go around truly believing their kid(s) "really" belong but others don't.

--AAP is slipping now - nearly anyone who causes a stink can get in

--Sounds like Gen Ed. is perfect for your child

--My child really NEEDS the program (insinuating others do not).

--My child spent the last few years in school bored to tears and the teacher thought it was great when she could help others read.

--My child's behaviour and grades were mediocre until AAP because the teacher didn't understand giftedness. Of course she was acting out when she was asked to do math 3 years beneath her level

--My child now THRIVES in school.

--Honestly, your child is not what AAP is intended for.

--Signed a parent whose kid is in AAP

Part of the reason the theme is repeated "ad nauseam is because it's true. It is SO bizarre that people like you don't seem to get that and would rather put down a poster for suggesting that things get reined in. All this list you've included is is more noise meant to distract folks from the main point.

And who says nothing will ever come of it. I think the fact that AAP is one of the programs on the chopping block speaks volumes about what people think about it. The majority of teachers who used the budget tool and might be expected to know a little about education, were for cutting it.

Please like me? My daughter is "highly gifted" according to her FSIQ. I still don't talk or think like you.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm really confused as to why people who have children who score under 135 on a NNAT, CogAT, WISC or any other allowed test, think their child needs AAP and would somehow be disadvantaged in a general education classroom in a place like FCPS when the average score in a general education class is probably 119 - 134 anyway. Why does your child need AAP?

My kid is 125, and I want to leave him in the AAP. What bothers me are the kids over 135. Why are they not moved to the next grade in general education?

I have a kid that is way over 135. AAP is still moving too slow for her. She needs an actual gifted program. I'm not sure moving her to the next grade would work. I think it would still move too slow, there wouldn't be enough deep diving into subjects as they try to do in AAP (still not enough yet, but closer then gen ed). Also, concerns over maturity level of mixing kids that far apart in age.

Not in VA, but I agree that moving a kid to the next grade doesn't always help. Every grade has a range of IQs, and socially and developmentally, I think kids do better among age mates. Sometimes moving a kid up a grade makes him/her the smartest, least mature kid in the class (aka bully magnet).

Yes, and suggesting that a kid should skip a grade as opposed to be part of a program that was created for kids just like him (but has since been taken over by garden variety smart kids) is absurd.

Likewise, exclaiming that your kid's classmates are "garden variety" and should be kicked back to Gen Ed because they are not truly gifted and never would have made the cut 15 years ago is absurd.

First, I'm not talking about my kids. I'm talking about what I've seen and heard from teachers and parents over the many years we've been involved with FCPS.

Secondly, General Education is appropriate for all but a small minority of kids. Where do you get kicked back?

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Likewise, exclaiming that your kid's classmates are "garden variety" and should be kicked back to Gen Ed because they are not truly gifted and never would have made the cut 15 years ago is absurd.

How do you spell E-N-T-I-T-L-E-M-E-N-T. It doesn't matter how much damage a bloated tracking system called AAP has done to FCPS local schools and communities as long as certain parents can say their kids aren't in Gen Ed -- I love how the abbreviation even makes it sound like "special ed."

You are truly part of the problem.

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Anonymous wrote:Likewise, exclaiming that your kid's classmates are "garden variety" and should be kicked back to Gen Ed because they are not truly gifted and never would have made the cut 15 years ago is absurd.

How do you spell E-N-T-I-T-L-E-M-E-N-T. It doesn't matter how much damage a bloated tracking system called AAP has done to FCPS local schools and communities as long as certain parents can say their kids aren't in Gen Ed -- I love how the abbreviation even makes it sound like "special ed."

You are truly part of the problem.

NP here - um huh? How is it entitlement when every kid has the same opportunity for placement (with the sole exception of outside testing): CogAT, NNAT, nonverbal sections, GBRS, a committee on the school level determining the GBRS, the files being reviewed at the AAP selection level, etc. How on earth is a parent entitled when a kid legitimately gets in? You cray cray.