13 yr old MD boy arrested on assault charges

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Girls do this kind of shit all the time, but never get called out for it.

Some women want such a double standard. No man should ever touch you.

Really? where do girls do this all the time. I teach in a middle school. Gave for over a dozen years. Taught specials courses in summer camps for twenty years. I've never seen a girl grab a boy and French kiss him against his will.

My DH had the most popular girl in school show him her boobies on a dare from her classmates after school when they were 13.

I guess by today's standards she's a sexual offender too.

Are you a 12 year old? WTF.

Oh here comes the grammar vernacular slang nazi.

[Anonymous]

And under the law, we require a criminal "mens rea" or criminal mindset to convict of a criminal offense. I don't believe a 13 year old boy acting on a dare (a dare which could very well have come from a girl) has a criminal mens rea of assault. I think he is impulsive and immature and needs to apologize and understand he clearly crossed the line. And I also don't think the girl needs to testify in court. Bad plan.

Why would you think he lacked the requisite intent? Battery is intentional offensive touching of another person without permission or justification. It is a general intent crime; the mens rea is that the person intentionally committed the act and did so without justification (such as self-defense). The boy acted intentionally and without legal justification. I don't think he needs to go to jail for it, but he assaulted one of his classmates and should be punished. He's old enough to know better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't want my DDs to feel social pressure to not report an assault because they are worried that the offender will be arrested. It is not the responsibility of the victim to bear this weight.

13 is old enough to know better than to do this. I hope he is transferred to a different school so she doesn't have to see him again.

Maybe along the way you can teach your DDs that they are not victims.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do I think he needs a criminal juvenile record so for his lifetime he has to answer yes, he has been charged with a crime, whenever he fills out a job application, even 30 years from now? No. And yes, I have a daughter.

juvenile records are closed, so it won't affect him as an adult. unless he continues to screw up....which i bet he will.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't want my DDs to feel social pressure to not report an assault because they are worried that the offender will be arrested. It is not the responsibility of the victim to bear this weight.

13 is old enough to know better than to do this. I hope he is transferred to a different school so she doesn't have to see him again.

Maybe along the way you can teach your DDs that they are not victims.

Well, their uncle has suggested arming them so they won't be.

[Anonymous]

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And under the law, we require a criminal "mens rea" or criminal mindset to convict of a criminal offense. I don't believe a 13 year old boy acting on a dare (a dare which could very well have come from a girl) has a criminal mens rea of assault. I think he is impulsive and immature and needs to apologize and understand he clearly crossed the line. And I also don't think the girl needs to testify in court. Bad plan.

Why would you think he lacked the requisite intent? Battery is intentional offensive touching of another person without permission or justification. It is a general intent crime; the mens rea is that the person intentionally committed the act and did so without justification (such as self-defense). The boy acted intentionally and without legal justification. I don't think he needs to go to jail for it, but he assaulted one of his classmates and should be punished. He's old enough to know better.

Funny I thought you were arguing this was a sexual assault, with that degree of intent and that mens rea. I must have misread about 30 posts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't want my DDs to feel social pressure to not report an assault because they are worried that the offender will be arrested. It is not the responsibility of the victim to bear this weight.

13 is old enough to know better than to do this. I hope he is transferred to a different school so she doesn't have to see him again.

Our school has a procedure where kids can "report" their friends without having to worry about arrest and expulsion.

If a friend is using drugs, there is a procedure to get them counseling, etc... it take the guilt away for the reporter.

I don't think that is a bad thing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't want my DDs to feel social pressure to not report an assault because they are worried that the offender will be arrested. It is not the responsibility of the victim to bear this weight.

13 is old enough to know better than to do this. I hope he is transferred to a different school so she doesn't have to see him again.

Maybe along the way you can teach your DDs that they are not victims.

Well, their uncle has suggested arming them so they won't be.

What boy is ever going to even ask your girls out? It's a death sentence if they change their minds about even kissing them.

[Anonymous]

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Yes, and the really bad problem is that in 75% of the cases it is minority (African American) children that this happens to. We have an immense prison population in this country. Do we need to criminalize this kind of immature adolescent conduct in the name of feminism? My sisters, I understand your concern with sexual assault, but prison is not the answer.

Nobody is sending this thirteen-year-old to prison for this.

Really? Really?

https://news.vice.com/article/kalief-browder-teen-imprisoned-at-rikers-island-for-three-years-without-trial-dies-by-suicide

Yes, really. I don't think that this case is comparable to the case you link to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Girls do this kind of shit all the time, but never get called out for it.

Some women want such a double standard. No man should ever touch you.

Really? where do girls do this all the time. I teach in a middle school. Gave for over a dozen years. Taught specials courses in summer camps for twenty years. I've never seen a girl grab a boy and French kiss him against his will.

My DH had the most popular girl in school show him her boobies on a dare from her classmates after school when they were 13.

I guess by today's standards she's a sexual offender too.

Note the difference between Person A, who showed Person A's own breasts, and Person B, who grabbed Person C and stuck Person B's tongue in Person's C's mouth. The first is not assault. The second is.

Yeah. I'm sure if a 13 year old boy whipped his dick out infront of a girl based on a dare, the dc urban mom forum will crucify him baying for him to be charged.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't want my DDs to feel social pressure to not report an assault because they are worried that the offender will be arrested. It is not the responsibility of the victim to bear this weight.

13 is old enough to know better than to do this. I hope he is transferred to a different school so she doesn't have to see him again.

Maybe along the way you can teach your DDs that they are not victims.

When Person X assaults Person Y, then Person Y actually is a victim. That's how it works. Unless you think that assault is a victimless crime?

[Anonymous]

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Yeah. I'm sure if a 13 year old boy whipped his dick out infront of a girl based on a dare, the dc urban mom forum will crucify him baying for him to be charged.

Crucify him? Is that really the verb you meant to use?

In any case, showing one's genitals actually can constitute indecent exposure, whereas showing one's breasts does not.

[Anonymous]

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Funny I thought you were arguing this was a sexual assault, with that degree of intent and that mens rea. I must have misread about 30 posts.

I think you must have. He was charged with assault, not sexual assault -- wasn't he?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Juveniles are charged with a "delinquent act." Adults are charged with a "crime." The processes are different and juvenile charges cannot be held against an adult later in life.

NP. Well that is definitely not true. Have you ever practiced criminal law in the juvenile courts. I have. In Florida at least, if a person is charged as an adult at anytime, the courts can go back three years into the juvenile record for inclusion in the computation of a crime. Therefore, if this action was committed in Florida and the boy committed no other crime until he turned 16 and committed a misdemeanor petty theft and charged as an adult or juvenile, the sexual assault is included as a prior.

So the thirteen-year-old shouldn't be charged with assault (not sexual assault; just plain assault) now because if he goes on to commit a misdemeanor (like petty theft) when he is sixteen and is charged as an adult, then the assault he committed as a thirteen-year-old would be part of the misdemeanor proceedings?

Nope, not saying that. I am simply stating that you are wrong factually when you state that the juvenile record cannot be used later in life. It's in the details.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Yeah. I'm sure if a 13 year old boy whipped his dick out infront of a girl based on a dare, the dc urban mom forum will crucify him baying for him to be charged.

Crucify him? Is that really the verb you meant to use?

In any case, showing one's genitals actually can constitute indecent exposure, whereas showing one's breasts does not.

Maryland Criminal Law Code, Section 11-107: Indecent Exposure; Correctional Services Article, Section 8-803: Indecent Exposure by an Inmate What is Prohibited?
Maryland cases describe the main elements of indecent exposure as:
The willful and intentional exposure of one’s private parts (genitals, buttocks, or female breasts[u])
In a public place and
In the presence of others.

yup...let's charge all our teens.