13 yr old MD boy arrested on assault charges

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Anonymous wrote:Juveniles are charged with a "delinquent act." Adults are charged with a "crime." The processes are different and juvenile charges cannot be held against an adult later in life.

"Held against?" That's not correct. They can certainly be used as a basis to deny a job, deny certain admissions to schools or even to obtain a license late (law license, medical license, drivers license.)

No, they can't. Juvenile records are automatically sealed in Maryland upon termination of the court's jurisdiction. You don't have to petition for it. And then they are destroyed after 12 years. When employers run a record check, it does not show up. And, if you get your record expunged, then it's actually a criminal offense for an employer or a school to fire you, not hire you, or not admit you to the school, solely due to the expunged charges.

Wrong on so many levels.

No it's not wrong. It's in Maryalnd code. The Criminal Procedure article. Look it up.

It could 100% affect his ability to secure a job, license, acceptance into the military, acceptance into some schools, etc. The CHARGE alone could. Again, Josh Duggar would love to debate the fact that his juvenile record did not just disappear. Go read some of the other links on the prior pages...the do NOT just disappear, they ARE locatable and they ARE held against people.

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It could 100% affect his ability to secure a job, license, acceptance into the military, acceptance into some schools, etc. The CHARGE alone could. Again, Josh Duggar would love to debate the fact that his juvenile record did not just disappear. Go read some of the other links on the prior pages...the do NOT just disappear, they ARE locatable and they ARE held against people.

Then we should change that. Ban the box (and its relatives).

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Girls do this kind of shit all the time, but never get called out for it.

Some women want such a double standard. No man should ever touch you.

Really? where do girls do this all the time. I teach in a middle school. Gave for over a dozen years. Taught specials courses in summer camps for twenty years. I've never seen a girl grab a boy and French kiss him against his will.

My DH had the most popular girl in school show him her boobies on a dare from her classmates after school when they were 13.

I guess by today's standards she's a sexual offender too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Girls do this kind of shit all the time, but never get called out for it.

Some women want such a double standard. No man should ever touch you.

Really? where do girls do this all the time. I teach in a middle school. Gave for over a dozen years. Taught specials courses in summer camps for twenty years. I've never seen a girl grab a boy and French kiss him against his will.

My DH had the most popular girl in school show him her boobies on a dare from her classmates after school when they were 13.

I guess by today's standards she's a sexual offender too.

Note the difference between Person A, who showed Person A's own breasts, and Person B, who grabbed Person C and stuck Person B's tongue in Person's C's mouth. The first is not assault. The second is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Girls do this kind of shit all the time, but never get called out for it.

Some women want such a double standard. No man should ever touch you.

Really? where do girls do this all the time. I teach in a middle school. Gave for over a dozen years. Taught specials courses in summer camps for twenty years. I've never seen a girl grab a boy and French kiss him against his will.

My DH had the most popular girl in school show him her boobies on a dare from her classmates after school when they were 13.

I guess by today's standards she's a sexual offender too.

Note the difference between Person A, who showed Person A's own breasts, and Person B, who grabbed Person C and stuck Person B's tongue in Person's C's mouth. The first is not assault. The second is.

Actually, under the law, assault is making a threat. Battery is the actual touching. That's why we say assault and battery.

And under the law, we require a criminal "mens rea" or criminal mindset to convict of a criminal offense. I don't believe a 13 year old boy acting on a dare (a dare which could very well have come from a girl) has a criminal mens rea of assault. I think he is impulsive and immature and needs to apologize and understand he clearly crossed the line. And I also don't think the girl needs to testify in court. Bad plan.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Girls do this kind of shit all the time, but never get called out for it.

Some women want such a double standard. No man should ever touch you.

Really? where do girls do this all the time. I teach in a middle school. Gave for over a dozen years. Taught specials courses in summer camps for twenty years. I've never seen a girl grab a boy and French kiss him against his will.

My DH had the most popular girl in school show him her boobies on a dare from her classmates after school when they were 13.

I guess by today's standards she's a sexual offender too.

Note the difference between Person A, who showed Person A's own breasts, and Person B, who grabbed Person C and stuck Person B's tongue in Person's C's mouth. The first is not assault. The second is.

She violated indecent exposure laws and should be an offender too. See how ridiculous his is? Putting our children behind bars for what should have be dealt with by parents and schools about boundaries.

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Only in America...oh my. Assault? Seriously? Does he need to be punished? Of course! Does he need to be charged with a crime? Oh my goodness no.

There are so many ways to handle this without getting law enforcement involved. If this is just a boy who made a one time dumb mistake he doesn't need to be treated like a criminal. I am rather certain USAs statistics when it comes to crime rates, crime prevention, intervention etc. are pretty telling when trying to figure out if this kind of stuff really makes any sense whatsoever.

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Anonymous wrote:Only in America...oh my. Assault? Seriously? Does he need to be punished? Of course! Does he need to be charged with a crime? Oh my goodness no.

There are so many ways to handle this without getting law enforcement involved. If this is just a boy who made a one time dumb mistake he doesn't need to be treated like a criminal. I am rather certain USAs statistics when it comes to crime rates, crime prevention, intervention etc. are pretty telling when trying to figure out if this kind of stuff really makes any sense whatsoever.

Yes, seriously, assault.

Does he need to be charged with a crime? Not necessarily. Is it assault? Yes, it is. (Or battery, according to the PP.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Only in America...oh my. Assault? Seriously? Does he need to be punished? Of course! Does he need to be charged with a crime? Oh my goodness no.

There are so many ways to handle this without getting law enforcement involved. If this is just a boy who made a one time dumb mistake he doesn't need to be treated like a criminal. I am rather certain USAs statistics when it comes to crime rates, crime prevention, intervention etc. are pretty telling when trying to figure out if this kind of stuff really makes any sense whatsoever.

Yes, and the really bad problem is that in 75% of the cases it is minority (African American) children that this happens to. We have an immense prison population in this country. Do we need to criminalize this kind of immature adolescent conduct in the name of feminism? My sisters, I understand your concern with sexual assault, but prison is not the answer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

My DH had the most popular girl in school show him her boobies on a dare from her classmates after school when they were 13.

I guess by today's standards she's a sexual offender too.

Note the difference between Person A, who showed Person A's own breasts, and Person B, who grabbed Person C and stuck Person B's tongue in Person's C's mouth. The first is not assault. The second is.

She violated indecent exposure laws and should be an offender too. See how ridiculous his is? Putting our children behind bars for what should have be dealt with by parents and schools about boundaries.

No, she didn't. You can look it up.

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Yes, and the really bad problem is that in 75% of the cases it is minority (African American) children that this happens to. We have an immense prison population in this country. Do we need to criminalize this kind of immature adolescent conduct in the name of feminism? My sisters, I understand your concern with sexual assault, but prison is not the answer.

Nobody is sending this thirteen-year-old to prison for this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Only in America...oh my. Assault? Seriously? Does he need to be punished? Of course! Does he need to be charged with a crime? Oh my goodness no.

There are so many ways to handle this without getting law enforcement involved. If this is just a boy who made a one time dumb mistake he doesn't need to be treated like a criminal. I am rather certain USAs statistics when it comes to crime rates, crime prevention, intervention etc. are pretty telling when trying to figure out if this kind of stuff really makes any sense whatsoever.

Yes, seriously, assault.

Does he need to be charged with a crime? Not necessarily. Is it assault? Yes, it is. (Or battery, according to the PP.)

Should I call the police when my toddler commits an assault? When my golden retriever humps me?

Of course not. We can rationally understand that some assaults are dealt with in the home, in the family, without police intervention.

[Anonymous]

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Yes, and the really bad problem is that in 75% of the cases it is minority (African American) children that this happens to. We have an immense prison population in this country. Do we need to criminalize this kind of immature adolescent conduct in the name of feminism? My sisters, I understand your concern with sexual assault, but prison is not the answer.

Nobody is sending this thirteen-year-old to prison for this.

Really? Really?

https://news.vice.com/article/kalief-browder-teen-imprisoned-at-rikers-island-for-three-years-without-trial-dies-by-suicide

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Girls do this kind of shit all the time, but never get called out for it.

Some women want such a double standard. No man should ever touch you.

Really? where do girls do this all the time. I teach in a middle school. Gave for over a dozen years. Taught specials courses in summer camps for twenty years. I've never seen a girl grab a boy and French kiss him against his will.

My DH had the most popular girl in school show him her boobies on a dare from her classmates after school when they were 13.

I guess by today's standards she's a sexual offender too.

Are you a 12 year old? WTF.

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I don't want my DDs to feel social pressure to not report an assault because they are worried that the offender will be arrested. It is not the responsibility of the victim to bear this weight.

13 is old enough to know better than to do this. I hope he is transferred to a different school so she doesn't have to see him again.