Man Down: The Attack on American Masculinity

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We own our own business, and hiring qualified men- women will not do this job, it's plumbing- is becoming harder and harder.

Young men just do not want to work over 8 hours a day, period. Not even for OT and bonuses. It's crazy.

They quit and find a less enriching job, for less hours.

I absolutely blame liberals, women who think they can physically match men and attack men at all times, for all their (mens) supposed failings.

Men are men and women women. Deal with it, crazy bitches.

Now men are being neutered, and our society is being turned into wimps and babies and tumblr complainers- any women want to be plumbers and work from 6 am to 11 pm with one 15 minute break to scarf a gross 7-11 hot dog and piss on the go? Then get an emergency call @ 230 am and roll out of bed and go? OF COURSE NOT!

Oh no. Equality works in air conditioned offices with HR reps hovering.

Equality doesnt exist when the shitter is full, and it's 102 heat index, and you have to crawl under a house.

Real world ding ding ding.

Would you be so kind as to name your business? Think of it as "free advertising."

You wish, hippie.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We own our own business, and hiring qualified men- women will not do this job, it's plumbing- is becoming harder and harder.

Young men just do not want to work over 8 hours a day, period. Not even for OT and bonuses. It's crazy.

They quit and find a less enriching job, for less hours.

I absolutely blame liberals, women who think they can physically match men and attack men at all times, for all their (mens) supposed failings.

Men are men and women women. Deal with it, crazy bitches.

Now men are being neutered, and our society is being turned into wimps and babies and tumblr complainers- any women want to be plumbers and work from 6 am to 11 pm with one 15 minute break to scarf a gross 7-11 hot dog and piss on the go? Then get an emergency call @ 230 am and roll out of bed and go? OF COURSE NOT!

Oh no. Equality works in air conditioned offices with HR reps hovering.

Equality doesnt exist when the shitter is full, and it's 102 heat index, and you have to crawl under a house.

Real world ding ding ding.

Would you be so kind as to name your business? Think of it as "free advertising."

You wish, hippie.

That epithet don't make no sense, 'bro." Everyone needs a plumber. You going to discriminate against your clients? Or just your employees? PS: Progressives (what you might atavistically be referring to as "hippies") are looking out for the well-being of your small business. You're welcome.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There isn't a threat to masculinity - the threat is an economic one, where when women reach parity or surpass men economically, they don't treat men the same way men treat women.

What i mean by this is look at the 'underemployed bf - wwyd' thread.

That and other threads on 'providers' and data showing most women dislike outperforming their partners socio-economically is what is driving this disconnect.

There are way less threads about 'underemployed gf - wwyd' and others similar.

As women gain more and more in the labor market and thereby capture greater pieces of the economic pie with respect to men compared to their mothers and grandmothers, society has to change the dynamic of what is 'expected' from both genders.

Why men feel like their masculinity has taken a hit is because as they lose out relatively to women compared to their fathers/grandfathers, there hasn't been a similar shift in attitudes regarding breadwinners/providers.

I agree with this. Society will have to become more accepting of SAHDs. Women may have to accept they may not be able to be a SAHM. All of the educated women I know make just as much as their husbands and in some cases they make more.

...because women are smarter

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We own our own business, and hiring qualified men- women will not do this job, it's plumbing- is becoming harder and harder.

Young men just do not want to work over 8 hours a day, period. Not even for OT and bonuses. It's crazy.

They quit and find a less enriching job, for less hours.

I absolutely blame liberals, women who think they can physically match men and attack men at all times, for all their (mens) supposed failings.

Men are men and women women. Deal with it, crazy bitches.

Now men are being neutered, and our society is being turned into wimps and babies and tumblr complainers- any women want to be plumbers and work from 6 am to 11 pm with one 15 minute break to scarf a gross 7-11 hot dog and piss on the go? Then get an emergency call @ 230 am and roll out of bed and go? OF COURSE NOT!

Oh no. Equality works in air conditioned offices with HR reps hovering.

Equality doesnt exist when the shitter is full, and it's 102 heat index, and you have to crawl under a house.

Real world ding ding ding.

Would you be so kind as to name your business? Think of it as "free advertising."

You wish, hippie.

That epithet don't make no sense, 'bro." Everyone needs a plumber. You going to discriminate against your clients? Or just your employees? PS: Progressives (what you might atavistically be referring to as "hippies") are looking out for the well-being of your small business. You're welcome.

All here that know better from the internet: please become plumbers. With all of your plumbing and business acumen, you'll be superstars!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We own our own business, and hiring qualified men- women will not do this job, it's plumbing- is becoming harder and harder.

Young men just do not want to work over 8 hours a day, period. Not even for OT and bonuses. It's crazy.

They quit and find a less enriching job, for less hours.

I absolutely blame liberals, women who think they can physically match men and attack men at all times, for all their (mens) supposed failings.

Men are men and women women. Deal with it, crazy bitches.

Now men are being neutered, and our society is being turned into wimps and babies and tumblr complainers- any women want to be plumbers and work from 6 am to 11 pm with one 15 minute break to scarf a gross 7-11 hot dog and piss on the go? Then get an emergency call @ 230 am and roll out of bed and go? OF COURSE NOT!

Oh no. Equality works in air conditioned offices with HR reps hovering.

Equality doesnt exist when the shitter is full, and it's 102 heat index, and you have to crawl under a house.

Real world ding ding ding.

Would you be so kind as to name your business? Think of it as "free advertising."

You wish, hippie.

That epithet don't make no sense, 'bro." Everyone needs a plumber. You going to discriminate against your clients? Or just your employees? PS: Progressives (what you might atavistically be referring to as "hippies") are looking out for the well-being of your small business. You're welcome.

A. All clients are equal. Our business gives away more free plumbing services to poor people in need each year than you make in a year, I bet.

B. How are hippies "looking out" for small business?

oh God, why on earth did I ask that? Now I will get ranting screeds that include LBJ, Fox News, obamacare, ad nauseam.

Do you own a business that employs people? If the answer is no, please just stop. Your input is useless, even though you may be a very well meaning person with lots of internet facts and figures.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do you own a business that employs people? If the answer is no, please just stop. Your input is useless, even though you may be a very well meaning person with lots of internet facts and figures.

Just because you're a plumber and good at it, does not make you an expert on macroeconomic theory.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you own a business that employs people? If the answer is no, please just stop. Your input is useless, even though you may be a very well meaning person with lots of internet facts and figures.

Just because you're a plumber and good at it, does not make you an expert on macroeconomic theory.

Huge diff between being a great plumber and running a profitable company that employs plumbers.

As usual, internet information, dry stats, quotes on the economy from ivory tower types, etc, do not equal real world business.

I would say that running a company makes a person pretty intelligent on certain aspects of economics, including hiring employees for said bizness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
This is why so many men gravitate towards marrying latinas so they enjoy a modicum of respect of the household.

WASPY-DW married to a Latino guy. WTH are you talking about? DH is completely masculine and an alpha male. He also helps with dishes and various household chores. We both work. He earns enough that my income isn't needed but I work because I want to have a career. Likewise, he enjoys his job so he continues working. Why is everything so binary?! Why can't both partners be equal and happy? It works for us and many others. Our son doesn't seem to have a crisis of character or an image problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you own a business that employs people? If the answer is no, please just stop. Your input is useless, even though you may be a very well meaning person with lots of internet facts and figures.

Just because you're a plumber and good at it, does not make you an expert on macroeconomic theory.

Huge diff between being a great plumber and running a profitable company that employs plumbers.

As usual, internet information, dry stats, quotes on the economy from ivory tower types, etc, do not equal real world business.

I would say that running a company makes a person pretty intelligent on certain aspects of economics, including hiring employees for said bizness.

An ivory tower type with small woman owned business whose job it is to find information on trends like this. Your job apparently gives you absolutely no valid insight into the macro trends that are impacting the plumbing business, and the claims made about women, men not wanting to take hard plumbing jobs anymore (as if this generation's work ethic is broken) are totally wrong. So... stick with YOUR day job. I bet you're good at it. And your expertise in that area is needed. (And please try not to be -ist in your hiring process. It could get you in trouble.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There isn't a threat to masculinity - the threat is an economic one, where when women reach parity or surpass men economically, they don't treat men the same way men treat women.

What i mean by this is look at the 'underemployed bf - wwyd' thread.

That and other threads on 'providers' and data showing most women dislike outperforming their partners socio-economically is what is driving this disconnect.

There are way less threads about 'underemployed gf - wwyd' and others similar.

As women gain more and more in the labor market and thereby capture greater pieces of the economic pie with respect to men compared to their mothers and grandmothers, society has to change the dynamic of what is 'expected' from both genders.

Why men feel like their masculinity has taken a hit is because as they lose out relatively to women compared to their fathers/grandfathers, there hasn't been a similar shift in attitudes regarding breadwinners/providers.

I agree with this. Society will have to become more accepting of SAHDs. Women may have to accept they may not be able to be a SAHM. All of the educated women I know make just as much as their husbands and in some cases they make more.

...because women are smarter

it is just as wrong when women put down men as it is when men put down women.

[Anonymous]

It's not very masculine to whine about attacks on masculinity. Just go out and do manly things with manly men.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's not very masculine to whine about attacks on masculinity. Just go out and do manly things with manly men.

lol!
+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not very masculine to whine about attacks on masculinity. Just go out and do manly things with manly men.

lol!
+1

x2

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We own our own business, and hiring qualified men- women will not do this job, it's plumbing- is becoming harder and harder.

Young men just do not want to work over 8 hours a day, period. Not even for OT and bonuses. It's crazy.

They quit and find a less enriching job, for less hours.

I absolutely blame liberals, women who think they can physically match men and attack men at all times, for all their (mens) supposed failings.

Men are men and women women. Deal with it, crazy bitches.

Now men are being neutered, and our society is being turned into wimps and babies and tumblr complainers- any women want to be plumbers and work from 6 am to 11 pm with one 15 minute break to scarf a gross 7-11 hot dog and piss on the go? Then get an emergency call @ 230 am and roll out of bed and go? OF COURSE NOT!

Oh no. Equality works in air conditioned offices with HR reps hovering.

Equality doesnt exist when the shitter is full, and it's 102 heat index, and you have to crawl under a house.

Real world ding ding ding.

Here's a little labor market research reality for you, before you continue on this ridiculous spiral of incorrect causal hypotheses.

"Shortage of Construction Workers

When plumbers and electricians realized that they may have no work for many years ahead of them, they moved to different professions or retired. Even worse, new people stopped joining the trades. Plumbing apprenticeships hold little appeal when there is no work, so the pipeline of new plumbers dried up resulting in a shortage of new plumbing apprentices. Obviously, over time, this causes a shortage of experienced plumbers.

Research studies of the United States construction labor market have confirmed that this has occurred. There is a growing plumber shortage and a shortage of construction workers in general. The headwind to the housing recovery, therefore, is that as the American housing market rejuvenates, there will not be enough skilled, experienced workers to satisfy the renewed demand for their services."

The CEO of the National Homebuilders Association just a short while ago cited these same trends in his argument against raising overtime pay for workers in the homebuilding industry. Which is to say, the crappy homebuilding economy pushed workers out of the field, now the industry is up and running again without enough skilled workers to fill demand. Given that it takes 18 months to get a typical worker educated and certified, re-fluffing the labor market is going to take awhile. The rejoinder to this argument says: When there is pent up demand for skilled labor, employers have to make employment worth their while. In other words: higher wages, more overtime, and better bennies and "the workers will come"... though it will take some time.

So. There you have it. Your own industry leaders are saying what I've offered to you as the "real" underlying reason why "you" (meaning: employers) might be having trouble finding good plumbers. I'm just sayin'.

[Anonymous]

If we can have feminist studies in college why not masculine studies?