Why can't I transfer my Gen Ed child out of the center?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Okay, I'm from Baltimore where we can only dream of these problems -- I have no dog in this fight but I really want to know.

What exactly is the problem with having these centers housed with Gen Ed programs? Are the AAP kids mean to the GE kids? Is it just a discipline problem that should be solved?

I can understand the point of wanting a certain critical mass of gifted students together... and I really can't understand how this harms other students.

#FunctionalSchoolSystemProblems

The problem is this: in a center school, AAP-identified kids are bussed from several feeder schools, creating a very large AAP population which often dwarfs the General Ed. population. Increasingly, as the size of AAP continues to grow, it gives a (false) impression to the GE kids that they are somehow "less than" since most of their peers (at the center school) are in the advanced program. For instance, at one center, there are four AAP classes vs. 2 GE classes in the 4th grade alone. Kids ask their parents why they aren't "smart enough" to be in those classes, when the reality is most of them are equally smart and certainly very bright. It makes kids believe that being in the regular (for lack of a better word) class is somehow not good enough. Now, in past years, when the program was only for the actually gifted (GT), this wasn't a problem as the group of GT students was naturally far smaller and everyone understood those kids were receiving a type of special education that they couldn't get in a regular classroom, in addition to having the critical mass you mentioned. Nowadays, however... well it seems everyone believes their child is gifted and in need of a special program, not to mention a special school. And so FCPS has accomodated those families by bending over backwards to make sure those identified as AAP are able to choose whether they want to stay at their base school, or be bussed to the center school. And GE kids are not given any choice at all; that is, to remain at the center or be bussed to a different, non-center school. So FCPS is handling this situation in a very lopsided fashion, though AAP parents continue to insist all is fair because their kids, of course, are the ones who benefit. As you will see from the self-righteous comments that are sure to follow.

So...let's assess this honestly, shall we:

1. There are virtually no AAP centers where the total number of AAP students is greater than the GenEd population, because AAP in elementary school is grades 3-6. There are some schools where the number of AAP classes in grades 3-6 is higher than the number of GenEd classes. FCPS has opened additional AAP centers and expanded the availability of LLIV services at non-center schools, so that should occur less frequently in the future.

2. There is no basis to believe that GenEd kids do not receive their fair share of resources at schools with AAP students.

3. The premise of your post is that a GenEd child will internalize his or her inferiority because he is not in an AAP class, and that it will scar him or her for life, even though he or she may be "equally smart" and "bright." If you have evidence that this is what happens, share it here. Otherwise, you are just giving voice to your own insecurity and anxiety, not your child's. There is no reason why you cannot explain to a child how AAP works: kids took some specific tests; kids who did better on those particular tests ended up in certain classrooms; you are also very bright and doing great; and life is about much more than how you did on a few tests and which classroom you're in this year or next.

4. FCPS has repeatedly examined its model for delivering advanced academic services, and outside consultants have confirmed that it's pretty much state-of-the-art, and much better than what's available elsewhere. If it distresses you so very much, there are other systems that you might find more to your liking.

Obviously you have children in an AAP center. The program sucks...it is biased, subjective, wasteful, needs a BIG overhaul, and frankly TRACKING. So, why not have an updated version of tracking in all schools and keep it fluid so that students can move in and out on ability? Because your child would have to be with the "not so smart kids", or the kids that "don't get your child". Many parents lobby for the center for their child because they feel their child was bullied or treated different in the GE school.

So why should a GE child be made to feel, bullied and that they do not fit in? Don't get me wrong, I am very happy these (mostly 2E) children and their parents are not in my child's GE school and I want FCPS to keep them separate as long as I have children in elementary. However, I do see the argument on the other side. For the same reasons many parents fight to move their children out of non-center schools, a parent who has a kid in GE, in a center school should be able to move their child out of that environment - upon that request!!

FCPS is not cutting edge they are cutting the community apart by lowering the criteria for acceptance into the AAP elementary program. What is the point? Make all schools have advanced academics to accommodate every students strengths and weaknesses (just wait a few years until my children are out of elementary). Assuming all these children are fully advanced in 2nd grade is a crock of shit! And you all know it!

Actually, I had GenEd kids at an AAP school, and they did fine. But I do think some of you have too much time on your hands if you want to keep track of, and then rehash, what gets said at recess, and are probably raising kids who will grow up to be wimps, too.

What are you doing on an VA public school AAP forum if you "HAD" GenEd kids?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Okay, I'm from Baltimore where we can only dream of these problems -- I have no dog in this fight but I really want to know.

What exactly is the problem with having these centers housed with Gen Ed programs? Are the AAP kids mean to the GE kids? Is it just a discipline problem that should be solved?

I can understand the point of wanting a certain critical mass of gifted students together... and I really can't understand how this harms other students.

#FunctionalSchoolSystemProblems

The problem is this: in a center school, AAP-identified kids are bussed from several feeder schools, creating a very large AAP population which often dwarfs the General Ed. population. Increasingly, as the size of AAP continues to grow, it gives a (false) impression to the GE kids that they are somehow "less than" since most of their peers (at the center school) are in the advanced program. For instance, at one center, there are four AAP classes vs. 2 GE classes in the 4th grade alone. Kids ask their parents why they aren't "smart enough" to be in those classes, when the reality is most of them are equally smart and certainly very bright. It makes kids believe that being in the regular (for lack of a better word) class is somehow not good enough. Now, in past years, when the program was only for the actually gifted (GT), this wasn't a problem as the group of GT students was naturally far smaller and everyone understood those kids were receiving a type of special education that they couldn't get in a regular classroom, in addition to having the critical mass you mentioned. Nowadays, however... well it seems everyone believes their child is gifted and in need of a special program, not to mention a special school. And so FCPS has accomodated those families by bending over backwards to make sure those identified as AAP are able to choose whether they want to stay at their base school, or be bussed to the center school. And GE kids are not given any choice at all; that is, to remain at the center or be bussed to a different, non-center school. So FCPS is handling this situation in a very lopsided fashion, though AAP parents continue to insist all is fair because their kids, of course, are the ones who benefit. As you will see from the self-righteous comments that are sure to follow.

But wouldn't bussing your kid to a GenEd only school just make it worse?
Then the kid could come to the conclusion that he is not even smart enough to be around the AAP kids -- not allowed to have specials with them, music class, gym, art?
Getting on that bus would be the equivalent of having to get on the "short bus" back in the day (yes, yes, completely insensitive and flammable).
Bussing your GenEd kid away from the neighborhood school isn't the answer.

NO, NO, keep busing the AAP kids away from their neighborhood schools it makes more sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Okay, I'm from Baltimore where we can only dream of these problems -- I have no dog in this fight but I really want to know.

What exactly is the problem with having these centers housed with Gen Ed programs? Are the AAP kids mean to the GE kids? Is it just a discipline problem that should be solved?

I can understand the point of wanting a certain critical mass of gifted students together... and I really can't understand how this harms other students.

#FunctionalSchoolSystemProblems

The problem is this: in a center school, AAP-identified kids are bussed from several feeder schools, creating a very large AAP population which often dwarfs the General Ed. population. Increasingly, as the size of AAP continues to grow, it gives a (false) impression to the GE kids that they are somehow "less than" since most of their peers (at the center school) are in the advanced program. For instance, at one center, there are four AAP classes vs. 2 GE classes in the 4th grade alone. Kids ask their parents why they aren't "smart enough" to be in those classes, when the reality is most of them are equally smart and certainly very bright. It makes kids believe that being in the regular (for lack of a better word) class is somehow not good enough. Now, in past years, when the program was only for the actually gifted (GT), this wasn't a problem as the group of GT students was naturally far smaller and everyone understood those kids were receiving a type of special education that they couldn't get in a regular classroom, in addition to having the critical mass you mentioned. Nowadays, however... well it seems everyone believes their child is gifted and in need of a special program, not to mention a special school. And so FCPS has accomodated those families by bending over backwards to make sure those identified as AAP are able to choose whether they want to stay at their base school, or be bussed to the center school. And GE kids are not given any choice at all; that is, to remain at the center or be bussed to a different, non-center school. So FCPS is handling this situation in a very lopsided fashion, though AAP parents continue to insist all is fair because their kids, of course, are the ones who benefit. As you will see from the self-righteous comments that are sure to follow.

So...let's assess this honestly, shall we:

1. There are virtually no AAP centers where the total number of AAP students is greater than the GenEd population, because AAP in elementary school is grades 3-6. There are some schools where the number of AAP classes in grades 3-6 is higher than the number of GenEd classes. FCPS has opened additional AAP centers and expanded the availability of LLIV services at non-center schools, so that should occur less frequently in the future.

2. There is no basis to believe that GenEd kids do not receive their fair share of resources at schools with AAP students.

3. The premise of your post is that a GenEd child will internalize his or her inferiority because he is not in an AAP class, and that it will scar him or her for life, even though he or she may be "equally smart" and "bright." If you have evidence that this is what happens, share it here. Otherwise, you are just giving voice to your own insecurity and anxiety, not your child's. There is no reason why you cannot explain to a child how AAP works: kids took some specific tests; kids who did better on those particular tests ended up in certain classrooms; you are also very bright and doing great; and life is about much more than how you did on a few tests and which classroom you're in this year or next.

4. FCPS has repeatedly examined its model for delivering advanced academic services, and outside consultants have confirmed that it's pretty much state-of-the-art, and much better than what's available elsewhere. If it distresses you so very much, there are other systems that you might find more to your liking.

Obviously you have children in an AAP center. The program sucks...it is biased, subjective, wasteful, needs a BIG overhaul, and frankly TRACKING. So, why not have an updated version of tracking in all schools and keep it fluid so that students can move in and out on ability? Because your child would have to be with the "not so smart kids", or the kids that "don't get your child". Many parents lobby for the center for their child because they feel their child was bullied or treated different in the GE school.

So why should a GE child be made to feel, bullied and that they do not fit in? Don't get me wrong, I am very happy these (mostly 2E) children and their parents are not in my child's GE school and I want FCPS to keep them separate as long as I have children in elementary. However, I do see the argument on the other side. For the same reasons many parents fight to move their children out of non-center schools, a parent who has a kid in GE, in a center school should be able to move their child out of that environment - upon that request!!

FCPS is not cutting edge they are cutting the community apart by lowering the criteria for acceptance into the AAP elementary program. What is the point? Make all schools have advanced academics to accommodate every students strengths and weaknesses (just wait a few years until my children are out of elementary). Assuming all these children are fully advanced in 2nd grade is a crock of shit! And you all know it!

Actually, I had GenEd kids at an AAP school, and they did fine. But I do think some of you have too much time on your hands if you want to keep track of, and then rehash, what gets said at recess, and are probably raising kids who will grow up to be wimps, too.

What are you doing on an VA public school AAP forum if you "HAD" GenEd kids?

They are still in FCPS. Thanks for asking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Okay, I'm from Baltimore where we can only dream of these problems -- I have no dog in this fight but I really want to know.

What exactly is the problem with having these centers housed with Gen Ed programs? Are the AAP kids mean to the GE kids? Is it just a discipline problem that should be solved?

I can understand the point of wanting a certain critical mass of gifted students together... and I really can't understand how this harms other students.

#FunctionalSchoolSystemProblems

The problem is this: in a center school, AAP-identified kids are bussed from several feeder schools, creating a very large AAP population which often dwarfs the General Ed. population. Increasingly, as the size of AAP continues to grow, it gives a (false) impression to the GE kids that they are somehow "less than" since most of their peers (at the center school) are in the advanced program. For instance, at one center, there are four AAP classes vs. 2 GE classes in the 4th grade alone. Kids ask their parents why they aren't "smart enough" to be in those classes, when the reality is most of them are equally smart and certainly very bright. It makes kids believe that being in the regular (for lack of a better word) class is somehow not good enough. Now, in past years, when the program was only for the actually gifted (GT), this wasn't a problem as the group of GT students was naturally far smaller and everyone understood those kids were receiving a type of special education that they couldn't get in a regular classroom, in addition to having the critical mass you mentioned. Nowadays, however... well it seems everyone believes their child is gifted and in need of a special program, not to mention a special school. And so FCPS has accomodated those families by bending over backwards to make sure those identified as AAP are able to choose whether they want to stay at their base school, or be bussed to the center school. And GE kids are not given any choice at all; that is, to remain at the center or be bussed to a different, non-center school. So FCPS is handling this situation in a very lopsided fashion, though AAP parents continue to insist all is fair because their kids, of course, are the ones who benefit. As you will see from the self-righteous comments that are sure to follow.

But wouldn't bussing your kid to a GenEd only school just make it worse?
Then the kid could come to the conclusion that he is not even smart enough to be around the AAP kids -- not allowed to have specials with them, music class, gym, art?
Getting on that bus would be the equivalent of having to get on the "short bus" back in the day (yes, yes, completely insensitive and flammable).
Bussing your GenEd kid away from the neighborhood school isn't the answer.

NO, NO, keep busing the AAP kids away from their neighborhood schools it makes more sense.

So your answer for doing something you say doesn't make sense, is doing something else which make even less sense?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Okay, I'm from Baltimore where we can only dream of these problems -- I have no dog in this fight but I really want to know.

What exactly is the problem with having these centers housed with Gen Ed programs? Are the AAP kids mean to the GE kids? Is it just a discipline problem that should be solved?

I can understand the point of wanting a certain critical mass of gifted students together... and I really can't understand how this harms other students.

#FunctionalSchoolSystemProblems

The problem is this: in a center school, AAP-identified kids are bussed from several feeder schools, creating a very large AAP population which often dwarfs the General Ed. population. Increasingly, as the size of AAP continues to grow, it gives a (false) impression to the GE kids that they are somehow "less than" since most of their peers (at the center school) are in the advanced program. For instance, at one center, there are four AAP classes vs. 2 GE classes in the 4th grade alone. Kids ask their parents why they aren't "smart enough" to be in those classes, when the reality is most of them are equally smart and certainly very bright. It makes kids believe that being in the regular (for lack of a better word) class is somehow not good enough. Now, in past years, when the program was only for the actually gifted (GT), this wasn't a problem as the group of GT students was naturally far smaller and everyone understood those kids were receiving a type of special education that they couldn't get in a regular classroom, in addition to having the critical mass you mentioned. Nowadays, however... well it seems everyone believes their child is gifted and in need of a special program, not to mention a special school. And so FCPS has accomodated those families by bending over backwards to make sure those identified as AAP are able to choose whether they want to stay at their base school, or be bussed to the center school. And GE kids are not given any choice at all; that is, to remain at the center or be bussed to a different, non-center school. So FCPS is handling this situation in a very lopsided fashion, though AAP parents continue to insist all is fair because their kids, of course, are the ones who benefit. As you will see from the self-righteous comments that are sure to follow.

So...let's assess this honestly, shall we:

1. There are virtually no AAP centers where the total number of AAP students is greater than the GenEd population, because AAP in elementary school is grades 3-6. There are some schools where the number of AAP classes in grades 3-6 is higher than the number of GenEd classes. FCPS has opened additional AAP centers and expanded the availability of LLIV services at non-center schools, so that should occur less frequently in the future.

2. There is no basis to believe that GenEd kids do not receive their fair share of resources at schools with AAP students.

3. The premise of your post is that a GenEd child will internalize his or her inferiority because he is not in an AAP class, and that it will scar him or her for life, even though he or she may be "equally smart" and "bright." If you have evidence that this is what happens, share it here. Otherwise, you are just giving voice to your own insecurity and anxiety, not your child's. There is no reason why you cannot explain to a child how AAP works: kids took some specific tests; kids who did better on those particular tests ended up in certain classrooms; you are also very bright and doing great; and life is about much more than how you did on a few tests and which classroom you're in this year or next.

4. FCPS has repeatedly examined its model for delivering advanced academic services, and outside consultants have confirmed that it's pretty much state-of-the-art, and much better than what's available elsewhere. If it distresses you so very much, there are other systems that you might find more to your liking.

Obviously you have children in an AAP center. The program sucks...it is biased, subjective, wasteful, needs a BIG overhaul, and frankly TRACKING. So, why not have an updated version of tracking in all schools and keep it fluid so that students can move in and out on ability? Because your child would have to be with the "not so smart kids", or the kids that "don't get your child". Many parents lobby for the center for their child because they feel their child was bullied or treated different in the GE school.

So why should a GE child be made to feel, bullied and that they do not fit in? Don't get me wrong, I am very happy these (mostly 2E) children and their parents are not in my child's GE school and I want FCPS to keep them separate as long as I have children in elementary. However, I do see the argument on the other side. For the same reasons many parents fight to move their children out of non-center schools, a parent who has a kid in GE, in a center school should be able to move their child out of that environment - upon that request!!

FCPS is not cutting edge they are cutting the community apart by lowering the criteria for acceptance into the AAP elementary program. What is the point? Make all schools have advanced academics to accommodate every students strengths and weaknesses (just wait a few years until my children are out of elementary). Assuming all these children are fully advanced in 2nd grade is a crock of shit! And you all know it!

What is this nonsense that AAP kids are "mostly 2E"? It seems to me that's a form of verbal bullying right there: if your kid is in AAP, he or she must have other issues, unlike my "normal" GenEd kid. Ugh. Grow up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Okay, I'm from Baltimore where we can only dream of these problems -- I have no dog in this fight but I really want to know.

What exactly is the problem with having these centers housed with Gen Ed programs? Are the AAP kids mean to the GE kids? Is it just a discipline problem that should be solved?

I can understand the point of wanting a certain critical mass of gifted students together... and I really can't understand how this harms other students.

#FunctionalSchoolSystemProblems

The problem is this: in a center school, AAP-identified kids are bussed from several feeder schools, creating a very large AAP population which often dwarfs the General Ed. population. Increasingly, as the size of AAP continues to grow, it gives a (false) impression to the GE kids that they are somehow "less than" since most of their peers (at the center school) are in the advanced program. For instance, at one center, there are four AAP classes vs. 2 GE classes in the 4th grade alone. Kids ask their parents why they aren't "smart enough" to be in those classes, when the reality is most of them are equally smart and certainly very bright. It makes kids believe that being in the regular (for lack of a better word) class is somehow not good enough. Now, in past years, when the program was only for the actually gifted (GT), this wasn't a problem as the group of GT students was naturally far smaller and everyone understood those kids were receiving a type of special education that they couldn't get in a regular classroom, in addition to having the critical mass you mentioned. Nowadays, however... well it seems everyone believes their child is gifted and in need of a special program, not to mention a special school. And so FCPS has accomodated those families by bending over backwards to make sure those identified as AAP are able to choose whether they want to stay at their base school, or be bussed to the center school. And GE kids are not given any choice at all; that is, to remain at the center or be bussed to a different, non-center school. So FCPS is handling this situation in a very lopsided fashion, though AAP parents continue to insist all is fair because their kids, of course, are the ones who benefit. As you will see from the self-righteous comments that are sure to follow.

So...let's assess this honestly, shall we:

1. There are virtually no AAP centers where the total number of AAP students is greater than the GenEd population, because AAP in elementary school is grades 3-6. There are some schools where the number of AAP classes in grades 3-6 is higher than the number of GenEd classes. FCPS has opened additional AAP centers and expanded the availability of LLIV services at non-center schools, so that should occur less frequently in the future.

2. There is no basis to believe that GenEd kids do not receive their fair share of resources at schools with AAP students.

3. The premise of your post is that a GenEd child will internalize his or her inferiority because he is not in an AAP class, and that it will scar him or her for life, even though he or she may be "equally smart" and "bright." If you have evidence that this is what happens, share it here. Otherwise, you are just giving voice to your own insecurity and anxiety, not your child's. There is no reason why you cannot explain to a child how AAP works: kids took some specific tests; kids who did better on those particular tests ended up in certain classrooms; you are also very bright and doing great; and life is about much more than how you did on a few tests and which classroom you're in this year or next.

4. FCPS has repeatedly examined its model for delivering advanced academic services, and outside consultants have confirmed that it's pretty much state-of-the-art, and much better than what's available elsewhere. If it distresses you so very much, there are other systems that you might find more to your liking.

Obviously you have children in an AAP center. The program sucks...it is biased, subjective, wasteful, needs a BIG overhaul, and frankly TRACKING. So, why not have an updated version of tracking in all schools and keep it fluid so that students can move in and out on ability? Because your child would have to be with the "not so smart kids", or the kids that "don't get your child". Many parents lobby for the center for their child because they feel their child was bullied or treated different in the GE school.

So why should a GE child be made to feel, bullied and that they do not fit in? Don't get me wrong, I am very happy these (mostly 2E) children and their parents are not in my child's GE school and I want FCPS to keep them separate as long as I have children in elementary. However, I do see the argument on the other side. For the same reasons many parents fight to move their children out of non-center schools, a parent who has a kid in GE, in a center school should be able to move their child out of that environment - upon that request!!

FCPS is not cutting edge they are cutting the community apart by lowering the criteria for acceptance into the AAP elementary program. What is the point? Make all schools have advanced academics to accommodate every students strengths and weaknesses (just wait a few years until my children are out of elementary). Assuming all these children are fully advanced in 2nd grade is a crock of shit! And you all know it!

Actually, I had GenEd kids at an AAP school, and they did fine. But I do think some of you have too much time on your hands if you want to keep track of, and then rehash, what gets said at recess, and are probably raising kids who will grow up to be wimps, too.

What are you doing on an VA public school AAP forum if you "HAD" GenEd kids?

They are still in FCPS. Thanks for asking.

So, they are not in an AAP school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Okay, I'm from Baltimore where we can only dream of these problems -- I have no dog in this fight but I really want to know.

What exactly is the problem with having these centers housed with Gen Ed programs? Are the AAP kids mean to the GE kids? Is it just a discipline problem that should be solved?

I can understand the point of wanting a certain critical mass of gifted students together... and I really can't understand how this harms other students.

#FunctionalSchoolSystemProblems

The problem is this: in a center school, AAP-identified kids are bussed from several feeder schools, creating a very large AAP population which often dwarfs the General Ed. population. Increasingly, as the size of AAP continues to grow, it gives a (false) impression to the GE kids that they are somehow "less than" since most of their peers (at the center school) are in the advanced program. For instance, at one center, there are four AAP classes vs. 2 GE classes in the 4th grade alone. Kids ask their parents why they aren't "smart enough" to be in those classes, when the reality is most of them are equally smart and certainly very bright. It makes kids believe that being in the regular (for lack of a better word) class is somehow not good enough. Now, in past years, when the program was only for the actually gifted (GT), this wasn't a problem as the group of GT students was naturally far smaller and everyone understood those kids were receiving a type of special education that they couldn't get in a regular classroom, in addition to having the critical mass you mentioned. Nowadays, however... well it seems everyone believes their child is gifted and in need of a special program, not to mention a special school. And so FCPS has accomodated those families by bending over backwards to make sure those identified as AAP are able to choose whether they want to stay at their base school, or be bussed to the center school. And GE kids are not given any choice at all; that is, to remain at the center or be bussed to a different, non-center school. So FCPS is handling this situation in a very lopsided fashion, though AAP parents continue to insist all is fair because their kids, of course, are the ones who benefit. As you will see from the self-righteous comments that are sure to follow.

So...let's assess this honestly, shall we:

1. There are virtually no AAP centers where the total number of AAP students is greater than the GenEd population, because AAP in elementary school is grades 3-6. There are some schools where the number of AAP classes in grades 3-6 is higher than the number of GenEd classes. FCPS has opened additional AAP centers and expanded the availability of LLIV services at non-center schools, so that should occur less frequently in the future.

2. There is no basis to believe that GenEd kids do not receive their fair share of resources at schools with AAP students.

3. The premise of your post is that a GenEd child will internalize his or her inferiority because he is not in an AAP class, and that it will scar him or her for life, even though he or she may be "equally smart" and "bright." If you have evidence that this is what happens, share it here. Otherwise, you are just giving voice to your own insecurity and anxiety, not your child's. There is no reason why you cannot explain to a child how AAP works: kids took some specific tests; kids who did better on those particular tests ended up in certain classrooms; you are also very bright and doing great; and life is about much more than how you did on a few tests and which classroom you're in this year or next.

4. FCPS has repeatedly examined its model for delivering advanced academic services, and outside consultants have confirmed that it's pretty much state-of-the-art, and much better than what's available elsewhere. If it distresses you so very much, there are other systems that you might find more to your liking.

Obviously you have children in an AAP center. The program sucks...it is biased, subjective, wasteful, needs a BIG overhaul, and frankly TRACKING. So, why not have an updated version of tracking in all schools and keep it fluid so that students can move in and out on ability? Because your child would have to be with the "not so smart kids", or the kids that "don't get your child". Many parents lobby for the center for their child because they feel their child was bullied or treated different in the GE school.

So why should a GE child be made to feel, bullied and that they do not fit in? Don't get me wrong, I am very happy these (mostly 2E) children and their parents are not in my child's GE school and I want FCPS to keep them separate as long as I have children in elementary. However, I do see the argument on the other side. For the same reasons many parents fight to move their children out of non-center schools, a parent who has a kid in GE, in a center school should be able to move their child out of that environment - upon that request!!

FCPS is not cutting edge they are cutting the community apart by lowering the criteria for acceptance into the AAP elementary program. What is the point? Make all schools have advanced academics to accommodate every students strengths and weaknesses (just wait a few years until my children are out of elementary). Assuming all these children are fully advanced in 2nd grade is a crock of shit! And you all know it!

Actually, I had GenEd kids at an AAP school, and they did fine. But I do think some of you have too much time on your hands if you want to keep track of, and then rehash, what gets said at recess, and are probably raising kids who will grow up to be wimps, too.

What are you doing on an VA public school AAP forum if you "HAD" GenEd kids?

They are still in FCPS. Thanks for asking.

So, they are not in an AAP school.

All, please show your ID to the officer as they come by.
This will facilitate quick and efficient validation of those who belong and are allowed to post in this forum.
Thank you.

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Anonymous wrote:Okay, I'm from Baltimore where we can only dream of these problems -- I have no dog in this fight but I really want to know.

What exactly is the problem with having these centers housed with Gen Ed programs? Are the AAP kids mean to the GE kids? Is it just a discipline problem that should be solved?

I can understand the point of wanting a certain critical mass of gifted students together... and I really can't understand how this harms other students.

#FunctionalSchoolSystemProblems

The problem is this: in a center school, AAP-identified kids are bussed from several feeder schools, creating a very large AAP population which often dwarfs the General Ed. population. Increasingly, as the size of AAP continues to grow, it gives a (false) impression to the GE kids that they are somehow "less than" since most of their peers (at the center school) are in the advanced program. For instance, at one center, there are four AAP classes vs. 2 GE classes in the 4th grade alone. Kids ask their parents why they aren't "smart enough" to be in those classes, when the reality is most of them are equally smart and certainly very bright. It makes kids believe that being in the regular (for lack of a better word) class is somehow not good enough. Now, in past years, when the program was only for the actually gifted (GT), this wasn't a problem as the group of GT students was naturally far smaller and everyone understood those kids were receiving a type of special education that they couldn't get in a regular classroom, in addition to having the critical mass you mentioned. Nowadays, however... well it seems everyone believes their child is gifted and in need of a special program, not to mention a special school. And so FCPS has accomodated those families by bending over backwards to make sure those identified as AAP are able to choose whether they want to stay at their base school, or be bussed to the center school. And GE kids are not given any choice at all; that is, to remain at the center or be bussed to a different, non-center school. So FCPS is handling this situation in a very lopsided fashion, though AAP parents continue to insist all is fair because their kids, of course, are the ones who benefit. As you will see from the self-righteous comments that are sure to follow.

So...let's assess this honestly, shall we:

1. There are virtually no AAP centers where the total number of AAP students is greater than the GenEd population, because AAP in elementary school is grades 3-6. There are some schools where the number of AAP classes in grades 3-6 is higher than the number of GenEd classes. FCPS has opened additional AAP centers and expanded the availability of LLIV services at non-center schools, so that should occur less frequently in the future.

2. There is no basis to believe that GenEd kids do not receive their fair share of resources at schools with AAP students.

3. The premise of your post is that a GenEd child will internalize his or her inferiority because he is not in an AAP class, and that it will scar him or her for life, even though he or she may be "equally smart" and "bright." If you have evidence that this is what happens, share it here. Otherwise, you are just giving voice to your own insecurity and anxiety, not your child's. There is no reason why you cannot explain to a child how AAP works: kids took some specific tests; kids who did better on those particular tests ended up in certain classrooms; you are also very bright and doing great; and life is about much more than how you did on a few tests and which classroom you're in this year or next.

4. FCPS has repeatedly examined its model for delivering advanced academic services, and outside consultants have confirmed that it's pretty much state-of-the-art, and much better than what's available elsewhere. If it distresses you so very much, there are other systems that you might find more to your liking.

Obviously you have children in an AAP center. The program sucks...it is biased, subjective, wasteful, needs a BIG overhaul, and frankly TRACKING. So, why not have an updated version of tracking in all schools and keep it fluid so that students can move in and out on ability? Because your child would have to be with the "not so smart kids", or the kids that "don't get your child". Many parents lobby for the center for their child because they feel their child was bullied or treated different in the GE school.

So why should a GE child be made to feel, bullied and that they do not fit in? Don't get me wrong, I am very happy these (mostly 2E) children and their parents are not in my child's GE school and I want FCPS to keep them separate as long as I have children in elementary. However, I do see the argument on the other side. For the same reasons many parents fight to move their children out of non-center schools, a parent who has a kid in GE, in a center school should be able to move their child out of that environment - upon that request!!

FCPS is not cutting edge they are cutting the community apart by lowering the criteria for acceptance into the AAP elementary program. What is the point? Make all schools have advanced academics to accommodate every students strengths and weaknesses (just wait a few years until my children are out of elementary). Assuming all these children are fully advanced in 2nd grade is a crock of shit! And you all know it!

Actually, I had GenEd kids at an AAP school, and they did fine. But I do think some of you have too much time on your hands if you want to keep track of, and then rehash, what gets said at recess, and are probably raising kids who will grow up to be wimps, too.

What are you doing on an VA public school AAP forum if you "HAD" GenEd kids?

They are still in FCPS. Thanks for asking.

So, they are not in an AAP school.

Correct. They are in high school, but previously attended schools with AAP centers.

This is an internet forum, not a lawsuit, so I don't think I need to show standing when I have first-hand experience.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Okay, I'm from Baltimore where we can only dream of these problems -- I have no dog in this fight but I really want to know.

What exactly is the problem with having these centers housed with Gen Ed programs? Are the AAP kids mean to the GE kids? Is it just a discipline problem that should be solved?

I can understand the point of wanting a certain critical mass of gifted students together... and I really can't understand how this harms other students.

#FunctionalSchoolSystemProblems

The problem is this: in a center school, AAP-identified kids are bussed from several feeder schools, creating a very large AAP population which often dwarfs the General Ed. population. Increasingly, as the size of AAP continues to grow, it gives a (false) impression to the GE kids that they are somehow "less than" since most of their peers (at the center school) are in the advanced program. For instance, at one center, there are four AAP classes vs. 2 GE classes in the 4th grade alone. Kids ask their parents why they aren't "smart enough" to be in those classes, when the reality is most of them are equally smart and certainly very bright. It makes kids believe that being in the regular (for lack of a better word) class is somehow not good enough. Now, in past years, when the program was only for the actually gifted (GT), this wasn't a problem as the group of GT students was naturally far smaller and everyone understood those kids were receiving a type of special education that they couldn't get in a regular classroom, in addition to having the critical mass you mentioned. Nowadays, however... well it seems everyone believes their child is gifted and in need of a special program, not to mention a special school. And so FCPS has accomodated those families by bending over backwards to make sure those identified as AAP are able to choose whether they want to stay at their base school, or be bussed to the center school. And GE kids are not given any choice at all; that is, to remain at the center or be bussed to a different, non-center school. So FCPS is handling this situation in a very lopsided fashion, though AAP parents continue to insist all is fair because their kids, of course, are the ones who benefit. As you will see from the self-righteous comments that are sure to follow.

So...let's assess this honestly, shall we:

1. There are virtually no AAP centers where the total number of AAP students is greater than the GenEd population, because AAP in elementary school is grades 3-6. There are some schools where the number of AAP classes in grades 3-6 is higher than the number of GenEd classes. FCPS has opened additional AAP centers and expanded the availability of LLIV services at non-center schools, so that should occur less frequently in the future.

2. There is no basis to believe that GenEd kids do not receive their fair share of resources at schools with AAP students.

3. The premise of your post is that a GenEd child will internalize his or her inferiority because he is not in an AAP class, and that it will scar him or her for life, even though he or she may be "equally smart" and "bright." If you have evidence that this is what happens, share it here. Otherwise, you are just giving voice to your own insecurity and anxiety, not your child's. There is no reason why you cannot explain to a child how AAP works: kids took some specific tests; kids who did better on those particular tests ended up in certain classrooms; you are also very bright and doing great; and life is about much more than how you did on a few tests and which classroom you're in this year or next.

4. FCPS has repeatedly examined its model for delivering advanced academic services, and outside consultants have confirmed that it's pretty much state-of-the-art, and much better than what's available elsewhere. If it distresses you so very much, there are other systems that you might find more to your liking.

Obviously you have children in an AAP center. The program sucks...it is biased, subjective, wasteful, needs a BIG overhaul, and frankly TRACKING. So, why not have an updated version of tracking in all schools and keep it fluid so that students can move in and out on ability? Because your child would have to be with the "not so smart kids", or the kids that "don't get your child". Many parents lobby for the center for their child because they feel their child was bullied or treated different in the GE school.

So why should a GE child be made to feel, bullied and that they do not fit in? Don't get me wrong, I am very happy these (mostly 2E) children and their parents are not in my child's GE school and I want FCPS to keep them separate as long as I have children in elementary. However, I do see the argument on the other side. For the same reasons many parents fight to move their children out of non-center schools, a parent who has a kid in GE, in a center school should be able to move their child out of that environment - upon that request!!

FCPS is not cutting edge they are cutting the community apart by lowering the criteria for acceptance into the AAP elementary program. What is the point? Make all schools have advanced academics to accommodate every students strengths and weaknesses (just wait a few years until my children are out of elementary). Assuming all these children are fully advanced in 2nd grade is a crock of shit! And you all know it!

Actually, I had GenEd kids at an AAP school, and they did fine. But I do think some of you have too much time on your hands if you want to keep track of, and then rehash, what gets said at recess, and are probably raising kids who will grow up to be wimps, too.

I don't believe for a minute that you had Gen Ed kids at an AAP school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Okay, I'm from Baltimore where we can only dream of these problems -- I have no dog in this fight but I really want to know.

What exactly is the problem with having these centers housed with Gen Ed programs? Are the AAP kids mean to the GE kids? Is it just a discipline problem that should be solved?

I can understand the point of wanting a certain critical mass of gifted students together... and I really can't understand how this harms other students.

#FunctionalSchoolSystemProblems

The problem is this: in a center school, AAP-identified kids are bussed from several feeder schools, creating a very large AAP population which often dwarfs the General Ed. population. Increasingly, as the size of AAP continues to grow, it gives a (false) impression to the GE kids that they are somehow "less than" since most of their peers (at the center school) are in the advanced program. For instance, at one center, there are four AAP classes vs. 2 GE classes in the 4th grade alone. Kids ask their parents why they aren't "smart enough" to be in those classes, when the reality is most of them are equally smart and certainly very bright. It makes kids believe that being in the regular (for lack of a better word) class is somehow not good enough. Now, in past years, when the program was only for the actually gifted (GT), this wasn't a problem as the group of GT students was naturally far smaller and everyone understood those kids were receiving a type of special education that they couldn't get in a regular classroom, in addition to having the critical mass you mentioned. Nowadays, however... well it seems everyone believes their child is gifted and in need of a special program, not to mention a special school. And so FCPS has accomodated those families by bending over backwards to make sure those identified as AAP are able to choose whether they want to stay at their base school, or be bussed to the center school. And GE kids are not given any choice at all; that is, to remain at the center or be bussed to a different, non-center school. So FCPS is handling this situation in a very lopsided fashion, though AAP parents continue to insist all is fair because their kids, of course, are the ones who benefit. As you will see from the self-righteous comments that are sure to follow.

So...let's assess this honestly, shall we:

1. There are virtually no AAP centers where the total number of AAP students is greater than the GenEd population, because AAP in elementary school is grades 3-6. There are some schools where the number of AAP classes in grades 3-6 is higher than the number of GenEd classes. FCPS has opened additional AAP centers and expanded the availability of LLIV services at non-center schools, so that should occur less frequently in the future.

2. There is no basis to believe that GenEd kids do not receive their fair share of resources at schools with AAP students.

3. The premise of your post is that a GenEd child will internalize his or her inferiority because he is not in an AAP class, and that it will scar him or her for life, even though he or she may be "equally smart" and "bright." If you have evidence that this is what happens, share it here. Otherwise, you are just giving voice to your own insecurity and anxiety, not your child's. There is no reason why you cannot explain to a child how AAP works: kids took some specific tests; kids who did better on those particular tests ended up in certain classrooms; you are also very bright and doing great; and life is about much more than how you did on a few tests and which classroom you're in this year or next.

4. FCPS has repeatedly examined its model for delivering advanced academic services, and outside consultants have confirmed that it's pretty much state-of-the-art, and much better than what's available elsewhere. If it distresses you so very much, there are other systems that you might find more to your liking.

Obviously you have children in an AAP center. The program sucks...it is biased, subjective, wasteful, needs a BIG overhaul, and frankly TRACKING. So, why not have an updated version of tracking in all schools and keep it fluid so that students can move in and out on ability? Because your child would have to be with the "not so smart kids", or the kids that "don't get your child". Many parents lobby for the center for their child because they feel their child was bullied or treated different in the GE school.

So why should a GE child be made to feel, bullied and that they do not fit in? Don't get me wrong, I am very happy these (mostly 2E) children and their parents are not in my child's GE school and I want FCPS to keep them separate as long as I have children in elementary. However, I do see the argument on the other side. For the same reasons many parents fight to move their children out of non-center schools, a parent who has a kid in GE, in a center school should be able to move their child out of that environment - upon that request!!

FCPS is not cutting edge they are cutting the community apart by lowering the criteria for acceptance into the AAP elementary program. What is the point? Make all schools have advanced academics to accommodate every students strengths and weaknesses (just wait a few years until my children are out of elementary). Assuming all these children are fully advanced in 2nd grade is a crock of shit! And you all know it!

Actually, I had GenEd kids at an AAP school, and they did fine. But I do think some of you have too much time on your hands if you want to keep track of, and then rehash, what gets said at recess, and are probably raising kids who will grow up to be wimps, too.

I don't believe for a minute that you had Gen Ed kids at an AAP school.

That's your problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Okay, I'm from Baltimore where we can only dream of these problems -- I have no dog in this fight but I really want to know.

What exactly is the problem with having these centers housed with Gen Ed programs? Are the AAP kids mean to the GE kids? Is it just a discipline problem that should be solved?

I can understand the point of wanting a certain critical mass of gifted students together... and I really can't understand how this harms other students.

#FunctionalSchoolSystemProblems

The problem is this: in a center school, AAP-identified kids are bussed from several feeder schools, creating a very large AAP population which often dwarfs the General Ed. population. Increasingly, as the size of AAP continues to grow, it gives a (false) impression to the GE kids that they are somehow "less than" since most of their peers (at the center school) are in the advanced program. For instance, at one center, there are four AAP classes vs. 2 GE classes in the 4th grade alone. Kids ask their parents why they aren't "smart enough" to be in those classes, when the reality is most of them are equally smart and certainly very bright. It makes kids believe that being in the regular (for lack of a better word) class is somehow not good enough. Now, in past years, when the program was only for the actually gifted (GT), this wasn't a problem as the group of GT students was naturally far smaller and everyone understood those kids were receiving a type of special education that they couldn't get in a regular classroom, in addition to having the critical mass you mentioned. Nowadays, however... well it seems everyone believes their child is gifted and in need of a special program, not to mention a special school. And so FCPS has accomodated those families by bending over backwards to make sure those identified as AAP are able to choose whether they want to stay at their base school, or be bussed to the center school. And GE kids are not given any choice at all; that is, to remain at the center or be bussed to a different, non-center school. So FCPS is handling this situation in a very lopsided fashion, though AAP parents continue to insist all is fair because their kids, of course, are the ones who benefit. As you will see from the self-righteous comments that are sure to follow.

So...let's assess this honestly, shall we:

1. There are virtually no AAP centers where the total number of AAP students is greater than the GenEd population, because AAP in elementary school is grades 3-6. There are some schools where the number of AAP classes in grades 3-6 is higher than the number of GenEd classes. FCPS has opened additional AAP centers and expanded the availability of LLIV services at non-center schools, so that should occur less frequently in the future.

2. There is no basis to believe that GenEd kids do not receive their fair share of resources at schools with AAP students.

3. The premise of your post is that a GenEd child will internalize his or her inferiority because he is not in an AAP class, and that it will scar him or her for life, even though he or she may be "equally smart" and "bright." If you have evidence that this is what happens, share it here. Otherwise, you are just giving voice to your own insecurity and anxiety, not your child's. There is no reason why you cannot explain to a child how AAP works: kids took some specific tests; kids who did better on those particular tests ended up in certain classrooms; you are also very bright and doing great; and life is about much more than how you did on a few tests and which classroom you're in this year or next.

4. FCPS has repeatedly examined its model for delivering advanced academic services, and outside consultants have confirmed that it's pretty much state-of-the-art, and much better than what's available elsewhere. If it distresses you so very much, there are other systems that you might find more to your liking.

Obviously you have children in an AAP center. The program sucks...it is biased, subjective, wasteful, needs a BIG overhaul, and frankly TRACKING. So, why not have an updated version of tracking in all schools and keep it fluid so that students can move in and out on ability? Because your child would have to be with the "not so smart kids", or the kids that "don't get your child". Many parents lobby for the center for their child because they feel their child was bullied or treated different in the GE school.

So why should a GE child be made to feel, bullied and that they do not fit in? Don't get me wrong, I am very happy these (mostly 2E) children and their parents are not in my child's GE school and I want FCPS to keep them separate as long as I have children in elementary. However, I do see the argument on the other side. For the same reasons many parents fight to move their children out of non-center schools, a parent who has a kid in GE, in a center school should be able to move their child out of that environment - upon that request!!

FCPS is not cutting edge they are cutting the community apart by lowering the criteria for acceptance into the AAP elementary program. What is the point? Make all schools have advanced academics to accommodate every students strengths and weaknesses (just wait a few years until my children are out of elementary). Assuming all these children are fully advanced in 2nd grade is a crock of shit! And you all know it!

What is this nonsense that AAP kids are "mostly 2E"? It seems to me that's a form of verbal bullying right there: if your kid is in AAP, he or she must have other issues, unlike my "normal" GenEd kid. Ugh. Grow up.

2-5% of FCPS students are 2E

[Anonymous]

From the Advisory Committee for Students with Disabilities(ACSD):

DSS staff reports, “1,558 twice exceptional students, identified gifted students with a disability who are receiving services, and additionally 3,058 gifted students with a disability who have a 504 Plan.?25


@2500 students in pool - Huh?

So you grow up!

[Anonymous]

There you have it folks FCPS AAP center!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From the Advisory Committee for Students with Disabilities(ACSD):

DSS staff reports, “1,558 twice exceptional students, identified gifted students with a disability who are receiving services, and additionally 3,058 gifted students with a disability who have a 504 Plan.?25


@2500 students in pool - Huh?

So you grow up!

I think the 2500 in pool is for one grade (the current 2nd grade) and the 1558 2E are for all grades. There are ~1500 special education identified students per grade in FCPS. All of them cannot be 2E.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From the Advisory Committee for Students with Disabilities(ACSD):

DSS staff reports, “1,558 twice exceptional students, identified gifted students with a disability who are receiving services, and additionally 3,058 gifted students with a disability who have a 504 Plan.?25


@2500 students in pool - Huh?

So you grow up!

I think the 2500 in pool is for one grade (the current 2nd grade) and the 1558 2E are for all grades. There are ~1500 special education identified students per grade in FCPS. All of them cannot be 2E.

2E students are not all special education identified students, either. There are 2E students that are not special education identified but do have a 504 plan, for example.