Why can't I transfer my Gen Ed child out of the center?

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Anonymous wrote:Hmm, well, if you look at it, the AAP student is unable to access a service at his/her base school. So the student is provided transportation to receive the service at a center.

What "service" or program would the general education student be seeking at another school? None really. The general education student is still able to receive their general education at the school which happens to also be a center for AAP students.

Which happens to be a center overrun by AAP students in many cases. And don't even get me started on many of these AAP students not "needing" these "services."

I think OP asked a perfectly legitimate question. What if what they value is a normal school not infected with AAP madness? Doesn't seem too much to ask. Once again highlights the lopsidedness of current system. The forerunner of the AAP system, the GT program was justified on the basis of "gifted" students having special needs. Hardworking bright students who are not gifted don't have special needs. Hence, the bloated AAP system is not even support by Virginia state law.

Exactly. AAP is not a 'special education' program, as GT was. I don't mind having my taxes spent to support special education, on both ends of the spectrum. But an advanced academic program for the non-gifted? Including busing? No thanks.

I don't know about that since the majority of children in the program are consider 2E. Basically "bright with issues". The problem is the labeling of all of these children as advanced. Many are special needs just not what most would consider necessarily advanced academically but FCPS doesn't know what else to do with them. Most do need special classrooms but a seperate school? Maybe if it was labeled correctly as an alternative learning center. I would humble these parents a little.

[Anonymous]

I think fcps should allow you to select gen ed if you don't want your kid in a center school. Unfortunately if it is based on social issues you have to stay under doctors care an apply for a waiver every year. Ridiculous in my opinion.

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Where does it say the majority of the kids in AAP are 2E? I don't think that's the case. I would guess it's about the same number or less kids receiving special ed services than any other classroom. Please prove me wrong if you have the facts.

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Anonymous wrote:Hmm, well, if you look at it, the AAP student is unable to access a service at his/her base school. So the student is provided transportation to receive the service at a center.

What "service" or program would the general education student be seeking at another school? None really. The general education student is still able to receive their general education at the school which happens to also be a center for AAP students.

Which happens to be a center overrun by AAP students in many cases. And don't even get me started on many of these AAP students not "needing" these "services."

I think OP asked a perfectly legitimate question. What if what they value is a normal school not infected with AAP madness? Doesn't seem too much to ask. Once again highlights the lopsidedness of current system. The forerunner of the AAP system, the GT program was justified on the basis of "gifted" students having special needs. Hardworking bright students who are not gifted don't have special needs. Hence, the bloated AAP system is not even support by Virginia state law.

Exactly. AAP is not a 'special education' program, as GT was. I don't mind having my taxes spent to support special education, on both ends of the spectrum. But an advanced academic program for the non-gifted? Including busing? No thanks.

I don't know about that since the majority of children in the program are consider 2E. Basically "bright with issues". The problem is the labeling of all of these children as advanced. Many are special needs just not what most would consider necessarily advanced academically but FCPS doesn't know what else to do with them. Most do need special classrooms but a seperate school? Maybe if it was labeled correctly as an alternative learning center. I would humble these parents a little.

This is a ridiculous assumption based on what? FCPS didn't recognize 2E or keep track of students desginated as such until recently- after the AAP name change. Thanks for advancing an unsubstaniated stereotype. My DC is a 2E student and it has been an extreme uphill battle to get and keep appropriate services for him. We have had to be the teachers and educators of the teachers and educators (with the support of the Asst Superintendent of Special ED). Many AAP teachers are not experienced 2E teachers and many special ed teachers are not expereinced with GT students. (Been there done that got the scars to prove it.)

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Anonymous wrote:I think fcps should allow you to select gen ed if you don't want your kid in a center school. Unfortunately if it is based on social issues you have to stay under doctors care an apply for a waiver every year. Ridiculous in my opinion.

You can always chose general education instead of center placement. If the question is transferring schools, that is a different issue. Nominally, the AAP center provides similar academics for Gen Ed as the non-center school. In my area, Vienna, it probably is easy to get placement in Cunningham Park, but harder if not impossible to get placement in Vienna Elementary.

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Anonymous wrote:I think fcps should allow you to select gen ed if you don't want your kid in a center school. Unfortunately if it is based on social issues you have to stay under doctors care an apply for a waiver every year. Ridiculous in my opinion.

You can always chose general education instead of center placement. If the question is transferring schools, that is a different issue. Nominally, the AAP center provides similar academics for Gen Ed as the non-center school. In my area, Vienna, it probably is easy to get placement in Cunningham Park, but harder if not impossible to get placement in Vienna Elementary.

You're missing the PP's point. He/She is saying that a gen ed kid should be able to select out of getting gen ed in a school that also acts as a center. PP wants child to be able to attend another school that only serves gen ed kids. The only way this can happen is if the child has a doctor's note saying there is some type of psychological hardship attending the gen ed/center school, or if the family has a childcare issue and can only get childcare in the catchment area of the non-center school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think fcps should allow you to select gen ed if you don't want your kid in a center school. Unfortunately if it is based on social issues you have to stay under doctors care an apply for a waiver every year. Ridiculous in my opinion.

You can always chose general education instead of center placement. If the question is transferring schools, that is a different issue. Nominally, the AAP center provides similar academics for Gen Ed as the non-center school. In my area, Vienna, it probably is easy to get placement in Cunningham Park, but harder if not impossible to get placement in Vienna Elementary.

You're missing the PP's point. He/She is saying that a gen ed kid should be able to select out of getting gen ed in a school that also acts as a center. PP wants child to be able to attend another school that only serves gen ed kids. The only way this can happen is if the child has a doctor's note saying there is some type of psychological hardship attending the gen ed/center school, or if the family has a childcare issue and can only get childcare in the catchment area of the non-center school.

Yeah, well, good luck with that. I don't think Virginia recognizes the "hostile educational environment" cause of action for parents of GenEd kids who think their children should be allowed to attend out-of-boundary schools with no AAP students. I think the best you can hope for is that FCPS will expand the availability of LLIV at more schools, so that the AAP population comprises a smaller percentage of students at the existing centers.

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Anonymous wrote:I know Haycock, Louise Archer, and Hunters Woods will no longer have such high numbers of AAP students because of new centers. Is there a new center for Greenbriar West? Seems like the next highest center school with well over 50% of grades 3-6 in AAP.

Greenbriar West and Lorton Station are two Centers (as well as a few others) slated for changes due to overcrowding.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think fcps should allow you to select gen ed if you don't want your kid in a center school. Unfortunately if it is based on social issues you have to stay under doctors care an apply for a waiver every year. Ridiculous in my opinion.

You can always chose general education instead of center placement. If the question is transferring schools, that is a different issue. Nominally, the AAP center provides similar academics for Gen Ed as the non-center school. In my area, Vienna, it probably is easy to get placement in Cunningham Park, but harder if not impossible to get placement in Vienna Elementary.

You're missing the PP's point. He/She is saying that a gen ed kid should be able to select out of getting gen ed in a school that also acts as a center. PP wants child to be able to attend another school that only serves gen ed kids. The only way this can happen is if the child has a doctor's note saying there is some type of psychological hardship attending the gen ed/center school, or if the family has a childcare issue and can only get childcare in the catchment area of the non-center school.

Yeah, well, good luck with that. I don't think Virginia recognizes the "hostile educational environment" cause of action for parents of GenEd kids who think their children should be allowed to attend out-of-boundary schools with no AAP students. I think the best you can hope for is that FCPS will expand the availability of LLIV at more schools, so that the AAP population comprises a smaller percentage of students at the existing centers.

What, you mean "not wanting to go to school with THOSE kind of people" isn't a legitimate educational need? Shocking!

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Anonymous wrote:I know Haycock, Louise Archer, and Hunters Woods will no longer have such high numbers of AAP students because of new centers. Is there a new center for Greenbriar West? Seems like the next highest center school with well over 50% of grades 3-6 in AAP.

Greenbriar West and Lorton Station are two Centers (as well as a few others) slated for changes due to overcrowding.

What about Colvin Run? The AAP population there is almost 50%. Completely ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:I think fcps should allow you to select gen ed if you don't want your kid in a center school. Unfortunately if it is based on social issues you have to stay under doctors care an apply for a waiver every year. Ridiculous in my opinion.

You can always chose general education instead of center placement. If the question is transferring schools, that is a different issue. Nominally, the AAP center provides similar academics for Gen Ed as the non-center school. In my area, Vienna, it probably is easy to get placement in Cunningham Park, but harder if not impossible to get placement in Vienna Elementary.

You're missing the PP's point. He/She is saying that a gen ed kid should be able to select out of getting gen ed in a school that also acts as a center. PP wants child to be able to attend another school that only serves gen ed kids. The only way this can happen is if the child has a doctor's note saying there is some type of psychological hardship attending the gen ed/center school, or if the family has a childcare issue and can only get childcare in the catchment area of the non-center school.

Yeah, well, good luck with that. I don't think Virginia recognizes the "hostile educational environment" cause of action for parents of GenEd kids who think their children should be allowed to attend out-of-boundary schools with no AAP students. I think the best you can hope for is that FCPS will expand the availability of LLIV at more schools, so that the AAP population comprises a smaller percentage of students at the existing centers.

What, you mean "not wanting to go to school with THOSE kind of people" isn't a legitimate educational need? Shocking!

Seriously. I mean, parents of AAP kids would never, ever, under any circumstances, complain that they don't want their kids in class with Gen Ed students. After being told for so long that their children just aren't worthy of being "mixed" with the AAP crowd, it's no surprise to me that parents of Gen Ed students would speak out about wanting a much smaller AAP presence in their schools. Why wouldn't they? They've sat back and watched FCPS cater to AAP students for years, creating special centers for them and busing them there to boot, even when most already have LLIV in place in their own schools. It's such a shame that FCPS has divided the kids in such a way to begin with. They need to rectify this enormous mistake by eliminating centers and sending AAP students back to their own neighborhood schools. Perhaps then, Gen Ed students who have to attend centers would begin to feel at home in their own schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think fcps should allow you to select gen ed if you don't want your kid in a center school. Unfortunately if it is based on social issues you have to stay under doctors care an apply for a waiver every year. Ridiculous in my opinion.

You can always chose general education instead of center placement. If the question is transferring schools, that is a different issue. Nominally, the AAP center provides similar academics for Gen Ed as the non-center school. In my area, Vienna, it probably is easy to get placement in Cunningham Park, but harder if not impossible to get placement in Vienna Elementary.

You're missing the PP's point. He/She is saying that a gen ed kid should be able to select out of getting gen ed in a school that also acts as a center. PP wants child to be able to attend another school that only serves gen ed kids. The only way this can happen is if the child has a doctor's note saying there is some type of psychological hardship attending the gen ed/center school, or if the family has a childcare issue and can only get childcare in the catchment area of the non-center school.

Yeah, well, good luck with that. I don't think Virginia recognizes the "hostile educational environment" cause of action for parents of GenEd kids who think their children should be allowed to attend out-of-boundary schools with no AAP students. I think the best you can hope for is that FCPS will expand the availability of LLIV at more schools, so that the AAP population comprises a smaller percentage of students at the existing centers.

What, you mean "not wanting to go to school with THOSE kind of people" isn't a legitimate educational need? Shocking!

Seriously. I mean, parents of AAP kids would never, ever, under any circumstances, complain that they don't want their kids in class with Gen Ed students. After being told for so long that their children just aren't worthy of being "mixed" with the AAP crowd, it's no surprise to me that parents of Gen Ed students would speak out about wanting a much smaller AAP presence in their schools. Why wouldn't they? They've sat back and watched FCPS cater to AAP students for years, creating special centers for them and busing them there to boot, even when most already have LLIV in place in their own schools. It's such a shame that FCPS has divided the kids in such a way to begin with. They need to rectify this enormous mistake by eliminating centers and sending AAP students back to their own neighborhood schools. Perhaps then, Gen Ed students who have to attend centers would begin to feel at home in their own schools.

Is railing against AAP in FCPS your full-time occupation? Because you sure seem to post frequently, and with great bitterness, on the topic. It is very hard for me to read your posts and think that you aren't passing a tremendous amount of hostility and insecurity on to your own kids. In a few years, they'll get to high school and few people will remember or care who was in the AAP program in elementary or middle school.

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Anonymous wrote:They've sat back and watched FCPS cater to AAP students for years, creating special centers for them and busing them there to boot, even when most already have LLIV in place in their own schools.

This is an incorrect statement.

http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/15/372242.page#4891510

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According to the FCPS website, 37 elementary schools have Local Level IV services and 25 elementary schools have Level IV Center services. There are 139 elementary schools in FCPS. By my math, there are 77 elementary schools without Local Level IV or Level IV Center services.

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Is railing against AAP in FCPS your full-time occupation? Because you sure seem to post frequently, and with great bitterness, on the topic. It is very hard for me to read your posts and think that you aren't passing a tremendous amount of hostility and insecurity on to your own kids. In a few years, they'll get to high school and few people will remember or care who was in the AAP program in elementary or middle school.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:I think fcps should allow you to select gen ed if you don't want your kid in a center school. Unfortunately if it is based on social issues you have to stay under doctors care an apply for a waiver every year. Ridiculous in my opinion.

You can always chose general education instead of center placement. If the question is transferring schools, that is a different issue. Nominally, the AAP center provides similar academics for Gen Ed as the non-center school. In my area, Vienna, it probably is easy to get placement in Cunningham Park, but harder if not impossible to get placement in Vienna Elementary.

You're missing the PP's point. He/She is saying that a gen ed kid should be able to select out of getting gen ed in a school that also acts as a center. PP wants child to be able to attend another school that only serves gen ed kids. The only way this can happen is if the child has a doctor's note saying there is some type of psychological hardship attending the gen ed/center school, or if the family has a childcare issue and can only get childcare in the catchment area of the non-center school.

Yeah, well, good luck with that. I don't think Virginia recognizes the "hostile educational environment" cause of action for parents of GenEd kids who think their children should be allowed to attend out-of-boundary schools with no AAP students. I think the best you can hope for is that FCPS will expand the availability of LLIV at more schools, so that the AAP population comprises a smaller percentage of students at the existing centers.

What, you mean "not wanting to go to school with THOSE kind of people" isn't a legitimate educational need? Shocking!

Seriously. I mean, parents of AAP kids would never, ever, under any circumstances, complain that they don't want their kids in class with Gen Ed students. After being told for so long that their children just aren't worthy of being "mixed" with the AAP crowd, it's no surprise to me that parents of Gen Ed students would speak out about wanting a much smaller AAP presence in their schools. Why wouldn't they? They've sat back and watched FCPS cater to AAP students for years, creating special centers for them and busing them there to boot, even when most already have LLIV in place in their own schools. It's such a shame that FCPS has divided the kids in such a way to begin with. They need to rectify this enormous mistake by eliminating centers and sending AAP students back to their own neighborhood schools. Perhaps then, Gen Ed students who have to attend centers would begin to feel at home in their own schools.

Is railing against AAP in FCPS your full-time occupation? Because you sure seem to post frequently, and with great bitterness, on the topic. It is very hard for me to read your posts and think that you aren't passing a tremendous amount of hostility and insecurity on to your own kids. In a few years, they'll get to high school and few people will remember or care who was in the AAP program in elementary or middle school.

If you prefer to avoid posts which bring up the all too real negative aspects of AAP, then please feel free to skip. But rest assured, if the situation were reversed, I'm certain you would be the first one leading the charge against AAP. As long as your child is benefiting though, it's quite easy for you to sit back and call others "bitter". We do agree on one point, however: once high school rolls around, AAP becomes an insignificant memory.