Why can't I transfer my Gen Ed child out of the center?

[Anonymous]

If there is space at the non-center school and the GenEd parent will provide transportation, I don't see an issue. I would not provide transportation, as the child could also be in a GenEd classroom at the base school. And I would cease to provide transportation to centers if there are enough students at the base school to fill a LLIV class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OK so why do you think the parent who wants to pupil place there student out of a combined GE/AAP center school shouldn't have that right? I read a lot of "that is ridiculous", "it has to be the parents issue", "couldn't possibly bother the child", etc... but, AAP parent(s), why do you think it is so bad, impossible, hard to imagine that a child might have a hard time being in GE at an AAP center school? And, why do you think this parent doesn't have the right to pupil place her child to a non-center school?

I don't get it!

Because busing kids so they don't have to be around a certain kind of student is crazy. And no, don't tell me that AAP kids are doing the same thing -- they're trying to pursue an education, not avoid a group of people. Sheesh.

If it is so very crucial that your child's education be held at a center school rather than his/her own LLIV school, could you please state why. Please describe the onerous conditions your child would be faced with in an AAP LLIV class here in affluent FxCo. Tell us the nitty gritty - are they lacking in white boards or pencils; are the teachers just not trained to your liking? If you feel FCPS needs to cater to you, you should strongly consider going private. This is a public school system, after all, with a tenuous budget that needs to be stretched to cover all students, not just one subgroup who already has all they need at their base school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If there is space at the non-center school and the GenEd parent will provide transportation, I don't see an issue. I would not provide transportation, as the child could also be in a GenEd classroom at the base school. And I would cease to provide transportation to centers if there are enough students at the base school to fill a LLIV class.

This is exactly the issue. The schools with enough LLIV students to fill a class (in many cases, several classes), should under no circumstances be allowed to bus their AAP kids to center schools on the taxpayers' dime. In Cluster 1 alone, all the feeder schools have huge AAP populations, with absolutely no need for centers. If parents insist on their child attending a center, they can get in the car and drive them there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How do Gen have none? I think you meant one- they have the choice to attend their neighbor hood school- or not.

LLIV is not that same as Center for most schools as most schools do not have enough AAP to support a whole class. To get the same experience as a Center school, you need at least enough for one class - otherwise it is pullouts or push in- which are much less in scope are more of "add ons". If you have an entire class, then the teacher teaches at the AAP level and the pace is faster and more in depth- which is the point of having an AAP class.

Yes, see last post. I am talking specifically about Cluster 1 and any other Clusters that already have tons of AAP kids; plenty for their LLIV at their base school.

[Anonymous]

And wait until all your AAP Center Elementary students get to middle school and the 7th grade students in AAP classes get to chose whether to attend their base middle school or a Center Middle School, while the General Ed Students have no choice but to attend their base middle school. Same neighborhood, same street - two different middle school buses - one for general ed and one for AAP. Those of you who say this does not break up communities, think again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And wait until all your AAP Center Elementary students get to middle school and the 7th grade students in AAP classes get to chose whether to attend their base middle school or a Center Middle School, while the General Ed Students have no choice but to attend their base middle school. Same neighborhood, same street - two different middle school buses - one for general ed and one for AAP. Those of you who say this does not break up communities, think again.

Exactly. And oftentimes that center bus has to go far out of the way just to pick up one or two students. What a waste.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do Gen have none? I think you meant one- they have the choice to attend their neighbor hood school- or not.

LLIV is not that same as Center for most schools as most schools do not have enough AAP to support a whole class. To get the same experience as a Center school, you need at least enough for one class - otherwise it is pullouts or push in- which are much less in scope are more of "add ons". If you have an entire class, then the teacher teaches at the AAP level and the pace is faster and more in depth- which is the point of having an AAP class.

Yes, see last post. I am talking specifically about Cluster 1 and any other Clusters that already have tons of AAP kids; plenty for their LLIV at their base school.

I was typing my post while you were posting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If there is space at the non-center school and the GenEd parent will provide transportation, I don't see an issue. I would not provide transportation, as the child could also be in a GenEd classroom at the base school. And I would cease to provide transportation to centers if there are enough students at the base school to fill a LLIV class.

This is exactly the issue. The schools with enough LLIV students to fill a class (in many cases, several classes), should under no circumstances be allowed to bus their AAP kids to center schools on the taxpayers' dime. In Cluster 1 alone, all the feeder schools have huge AAP populations, with absolutely no need for centers. If parents insist on their child attending a center, they can get in the car and drive them there.

I would be surprised if that is the case for every ES in Cluster 1. I'm guessing you equate Cluster 1 with schools in Great Falls and McLean, plus Colvin Run, but Cluster 1 is bigger than that, and FCPS is of course much larger than merely Cluster 1.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If there is space at the non-center school and the GenEd parent will provide transportation, I don't see an issue. I would not provide transportation, as the child could also be in a GenEd classroom at the base school. And I would cease to provide transportation to centers if there are enough students at the base school to fill a LLIV class.

This is exactly the issue. The schools with enough LLIV students to fill a class (in many cases, several classes), should under no circumstances be allowed to bus their AAP kids to center schools on the taxpayers' dime. In Cluster 1 alone, all the feeder schools have huge AAP populations, with absolutely no need for centers. If parents insist on their child attending a center, they can get in the car and drive them there.

I would be surprised if that is the case for every ES in Cluster 1. I'm guessing you equate Cluster 1 with schools in Great Falls and McLean, plus Colvin Run, but Cluster 1 is bigger than that, and FCPS is of course much larger than merely Cluster 1.

Okay, we actually agree -- I wouldn't have a problem with only busing AAP kids who have home schools without sufficient AAP population. I actually wouldn't have a problem with reserving centers for *only* students who live in areas without a critical mass of AAP students. If it can be shown that the LLIV classes aren't up to the center standards, then that can and should be fixed -- and over the transition period, kids should still be allowed to go to the centers.

Similarly, though, I would *only* bus GE students to other schools if there weren't sufficient numbers of them to make up a class. Being in the majority in a school overall is not a right. Having a class at the appropriate level is.

[Anonymous]

Forestville already has 2 AAP classes and still sends kids to Forest Edge.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Forestville already has 2 AAP classes and still sends kids to Forest Edge.

As does Great Falls (I think they have more than 2 AAP classes there per grade) and they still send lots of kids to Colvin Run.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Okay, we actually agree -- I wouldn't have a problem with only busing AAP kids who have home schools without sufficient AAP population. I actually wouldn't have a problem with reserving centers for *only* students who live in areas without a critical mass of AAP students. If it can be shown that the LLIV classes aren't up to the center standards, then that can and should be fixed -- and over the transition period, kids should still be allowed to go to the centers.

I would say that LLIV classes that are not up to the Center standards may need to have their label changed to Level III services.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Okay, we actually agree -- I wouldn't have a problem with only busing AAP kids who have home schools without sufficient AAP population. I actually wouldn't have a problem with reserving centers for *only* students who live in areas without a critical mass of AAP students. If it can be shown that the LLIV classes aren't up to the center standards, then that can and should be fixed -- and over the transition period, kids should still be allowed to go to the centers.

I would say that LLIV classes that are not up to the Center standards may need to have their label changed to Level III services.

Oh dear god, no. "Not up to Center standards"? Whatever will these poor, deprived LLIV kids do?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Okay, we actually agree -- I wouldn't have a problem with only busing AAP kids who have home schools without sufficient AAP population. I actually wouldn't have a problem with reserving centers for *only* students who live in areas without a critical mass of AAP students. If it can be shown that the LLIV classes aren't up to the center standards, then that can and should be fixed -- and over the transition period, kids should still be allowed to go to the centers.

I would say that LLIV classes that are not up to the Center standards may need to have their label changed to Level III services.

Oh dear god, no. "Not up to Center standards"? Whatever will these poor, deprived LLIV kids do?

Go to the Level IV Center.