Why can't I transfer my Gen Ed child out of the center?

[Anonymous]

If AAP students are given the option of busing to a center school, why aren't Gen Ed kids given the option to be bused out of the center, to a "normal" community school? Seems very lopsided to me.

[Anonymous]

Ask your School Board member.

[Anonymous]

Hmm, well, if you look at it, the AAP student is unable to access a service at his/her base school. So the student is provided transportation to receive the service at a center.

What "service" or program would the general education student be seeking at another school? None really. The general education student is still able to receive their general education at the school which happens to also be a center for AAP students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hmm, well, if you look at it, the AAP student is unable to access a service at his/her base school. So the student is provided transportation to receive the service at a center.

What "service" or program would the general education student be seeking at another school? None really. The general education student is still able to receive their general education at the school which happens to also be a center for AAP students.

Which happens to be a center overrun by AAP students in many cases. And don't even get me started on many of these AAP students not "needing" these "services."

I think OP asked a perfectly legitimate question. What if what they value is a normal school not infected with AAP madness? Doesn't seem too much to ask. Once again highlights the lopsidedness of current system. The forerunner of the AAP system, the GT program was justified on the basis of "gifted" students having special needs. Hardworking bright students who are not gifted don't have special needs. Hence, the bloated AAP system is not even support by Virginia state law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hmm, well, if you look at it, the AAP student is unable to access a service at his/her base school. So the student is provided transportation to receive the service at a center.

What "service" or program would the general education student be seeking at another school? None really. The general education student is still able to receive their general education at the school which happens to also be a center for AAP students.

Which happens to be a center overrun by AAP students in many cases. And don't even get me started on many of these AAP students not "needing" these "services."

I think OP asked a perfectly legitimate question. What if what they value is a normal school not infected with AAP madness? Doesn't seem too much to ask. Once again highlights the lopsidedness of current system. The forerunner of the AAP system, the GT program was justified on the basis of "gifted" students having special needs. Hardworking bright students who are not gifted don't have special needs. Hence, the bloated AAP system is not even support by Virginia state law.

Yes, it is. But it is not 'bloated.'

[Anonymous]

You are free to move to a neighborhood without a center.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hmm, well, if you look at it, the AAP student is unable to access a service at his/her base school. So the student is provided transportation to receive the service at a center.

What "service" or program would the general education student be seeking at another school? None really. The general education student is still able to receive their general education at the school which happens to also be a center for AAP students.

Which happens to be a center overrun by AAP students in many cases. And don't even get me started on many of these AAP students not "needing" these "services."

I think OP asked a perfectly legitimate question. What if what they value is a normal school not infected with AAP madness? Doesn't seem too much to ask. Once again highlights the lopsidedness of current system. The forerunner of the AAP system, the GT program was justified on the basis of "gifted" students having special needs. Hardworking bright students who are not gifted don't have special needs. Hence, the bloated AAP system is not even support by Virginia state law.

But the question isn't about whether students need AAP or whether they're qualified. The question asked is about moving a general education student to another school to receive a general education. You haven't shown that inside the classroom at a school with a center, the general education student is not receiving his/her "general" education. I'm not sure what you mean by "infected with AAP madness" and how that directly prevents a student in a general education class in a school with a center from receiving his/her education. Show that, and perhaps you have a case for making that transfer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hmm, well, if you look at it, the AAP student is unable to access a service at his/her base school. So the student is provided transportation to receive the service at a center.

What "service" or program would the general education student be seeking at another school? None really. The general education student is still able to receive their general education at the school which happens to also be a center for AAP students.

Which happens to be a center overrun by AAP students in many cases. And don't even get me started on many of these AAP students not "needing" these "services."

I think OP asked a perfectly legitimate question. What if what they value is a normal school not infected with AAP madness? Doesn't seem too much to ask. Once again highlights the lopsidedness of current system. The forerunner of the AAP system, the GT program was justified on the basis of "gifted" students having special needs. Hardworking bright students who are not gifted don't have special needs. Hence, the bloated AAP system is not even support by Virginia state law.

But the question isn't about whether students need AAP or whether they're qualified. The question asked is about moving a general education student to another school to receive a general education. You haven't shown that inside the classroom at a school with a center, the general education student is not receiving his/her "general" education. I'm not sure what you mean by "infected with AAP madness" and how that directly prevents a student in a general education class in a school with a center from receiving his/her education. Show that, and perhaps you have a case for making that transfer.

+1.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hmm, well, if you look at it, the AAP student is unable to access a service at his/her base school. So the student is provided transportation to receive the service at a center.

What "service" or program would the general education student be seeking at another school? None really. The general education student is still able to receive their general education at the school which happens to also be a center for AAP students.

Which happens to be a center overrun by AAP students in many cases. And don't even get me started on many of these AAP students not "needing" these "services."

I think OP asked a perfectly legitimate question. What if what they value is a normal school not infected with AAP madness? Doesn't seem too much to ask. Once again highlights the lopsidedness of current system. The forerunner of the AAP system, the GT program was justified on the basis of "gifted" students having special needs. Hardworking bright students who are not gifted don't have special needs. Hence, the bloated AAP system is not even support by Virginia state law.

But the question isn't about whether students need AAP or whether they're qualified. The question asked is about moving a general education student to another school to receive a general education. You haven't shown that inside the classroom at a school with a center, the general education student is not receiving his/her "general" education. I'm not sure what you mean by "infected with AAP madness" and how that directly prevents a student in a general education class in a school with a center from receiving his/her education. Show that, and perhaps you have a case for making that transfer.

+1.

+2

Information on student transfers:

http://www.fcps.edu/dss/osp/StudentRegistration/student-transfer/

I am guessing that the OP might be referring to this need:

Medical, emotional, or social adjustment —The student demonstrates exceptional hardship for
reasons of medical, emotional, or social adjustment. Independent, detailed documentation substantiating
the circumstances (e.g., from physicians, psychologists, social workers, or counselors) is required and
must be attached to the student transfer application.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hmm, well, if you look at it, the AAP student is unable to access a service at his/her base school. So the student is provided transportation to receive the service at a center.

What "service" or program would the general education student be seeking at another school? None really. The general education student is still able to receive their general education at the school which happens to also be a center for AAP students.

OP here. Isn't it true that an AAP student at a base school is still able to receive LLIV services? So then why are these students given the option of staying on at their base school or being bused to a center (at taxpayer expense), where they would (again) be receiving LLIV services? Exactly the same situation with the Gen Ed student at a center school, but they are not given the option to switch. Surely you can't be arguing that one group of kids is entitled to a choice in where they receive their education, but the other group is not?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You are free to move to a neighborhood without a center.

Yes, thank you for that helpful advice. However, I don't see any AAP families having to move to a new neighborhood in order for their child to attend a center. They are provided with free bus service to said center, even if they are the only family for miles around who might need that bus, and even if their base school already provides AAP services.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hmm, well, if you look at it, the AAP student is unable to access a service at his/her base school. So the student is provided transportation to receive the service at a center.

What "service" or program would the general education student be seeking at another school? None really. The general education student is still able to receive their general education at the school which happens to also be a center for AAP students.

OP here. Isn't it true that an AAP student at a base school is still able to receive LLIV services?

Not all base schools have Local Level IV services.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hmm, well, if you look at it, the AAP student is unable to access a service at his/her base school. So the student is provided transportation to receive the service at a center.

What "service" or program would the general education student be seeking at another school? None really. The general education student is still able to receive their general education at the school which happens to also be a center for AAP students.

Which happens to be a center overrun by AAP students in many cases. And don't even get me started on many of these AAP students not "needing" these "services."

I think OP asked a perfectly legitimate question. What if what they value is a normal school not infected with AAP madness? Doesn't seem too much to ask. Once again highlights the lopsidedness of current system. The forerunner of the AAP system, the GT program was justified on the basis of "gifted" students having special needs. Hardworking bright students who are not gifted don't have special needs. Hence, the bloated AAP system is not even support by Virginia state law.

But the question isn't about whether students need AAP or whether they're qualified. The question asked is about moving a general education student to another school to receive a general education. You haven't shown that inside the classroom at a school with a center, the general education student is not receiving his/her "general" education. I'm not sure what you mean by "infected with AAP madness" and how that directly prevents a student in a general education class in a school with a center from receiving his/her education. Show that, and perhaps you have a case for making that transfer.

Are AAP students at base schools required to show evidence of how they are not receiving AAP services in order to be transferred to a center? No, they are not. That doesn't even make sense, considering they are already being offered LLIV AAP at their base school. Why are they given the option to transfer in the first place?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hmm, well, if you look at it, the AAP student is unable to access a service at his/her base school. So the student is provided transportation to receive the service at a center.

What "service" or program would the general education student be seeking at another school? None really. The general education student is still able to receive their general education at the school which happens to also be a center for AAP students.

OP here. Isn't it true that an AAP student at a base school is still able to receive LLIV services?

Not all base schools have Local Level IV services.

Very few don't anymore.

[Anonymous]

In addition, Local Level IV services are not the same as Level IV Center services.

http://www.fcps.edu/is/aap/faqs/esfaqs.shtml

How does Local Level IV differ from the Full-time AAP Center?

The teachers in both settings are trained in gifted education and teach the same advanced academic curriculum to students who are ready for a highly challenging instructional program in the four core subject areas. The main difference is in the make-up of the class. All of the students in a full-time AAP center-based class have been identified as center-eligible by a central selection committee and will be coming from several neighborhood schools to comprise the center class. In a Local Level IV classroom, the students are a mix of students who are center-eligible and high achieving students who are capable of working at advanced levels, all enrolled in their local school.

Many schools that offer Local Level IV services add students to the Level IV class in areas of academic strength through flexible grouping. This is an important avenue of access for students who have traditionally been underrepresented in advanced academic programs.

Will Local Level IV Services replace the existing full-time AAP center programs?

No, Local Level IV Services are not an attempt to close the existing full-time AAP centers; they are designed to provide access to the advanced academic level IV curriculum to more students. Families of eligible students have a choice about which option best meets their student's academic and social-emotional needs while access to curriculum and teachers trained in working with advanced learners is expanded to reach more students who are ready in areas of academic strength.