Ditch the PTA, join the Parents' Coalition?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:this board is hilarious, so what is it teachers: all about the kids or all about the benies?

I got the same impression. It is very upsetting to read those posts by teachers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:this board is hilarious, so what is it teachers: all about the kids or all about the benies?

I got the same impression. It is very upsetting to read those posts by teachers.

It's upsetting to think that people TRAINED to teach your children can survive on crackers and water?

So we should be paupers in order to satisfy the public?

You get what you pay for.

REMEMBER - we, too, pay taxes!

Again, get ready to find some trained people to homeschool your kids b/c education is crumbling thanks to people like you.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:this board is hilarious, so what is it teachers: all about the kids or all about the benies?

I got the same impression. It is very upsetting to read those posts by teachers.

It's upsetting to think that people TRAINED to teach your children can survive on crackers and water!!!

So we should be paupers in order to satisfy the public?

You get what you pay for.

REMEMBER - we, too, pay taxes!

Again, get ready to find some trained people to homeschool your kids b/c education is crumbling thanks to people like you.

[Anonymous]

nice attitude MoCo teachers. why don't you edit that.
we shall stay in DC and do private school.
thanks for the color on our investment decision of both our new property search and our children.

BTW, your math doesn't work. You cannot pay in 0-3% per paycheck and expect to retire on even 50% (let alone 80%+) of your final years' salary until death, off the backs of taxpayers.
The money isn't there, it never was; I'm sorry you voted for a public union friendly politician that lied to you about basic math in exchange for your vote. Those days are over, the ponci scheme only lasts 1.5 generations of teachers and needs to be funded by 5 generations of teachers and taxpayers.

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Who said we were banking on our pensions? It's there, yes. But we have other investments.

nice of you to be supportive of a group of people willing to teach kids whose parents can't afford private

You are definitely not one of a kind, sadly.

Anonymous wrote:nice attitude MoCo teachers. why don't you edit that.
we shall stay in DC and do private school.
thanks for the color on our investment decision of both our new property search and our children.

BTW, your math doesn't work. You cannot pay in 0-3% per paycheck and expect to retire on even 50% (let alone 80%+) of your final years' salary until death, off the backs of taxpayers.
The money isn't there, it never was; I'm sorry you voted for a public union friendly politician that lied to you about basic math in exchange for your vote. Those days are over, the ponci scheme only lasts 1.5 generations of teachers and needs to be funded by 5 generations of teachers and taxpayers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:nice attitude MoCo teachers. why don't you edit that.
we shall stay in DC and do private school.
thanks for the color on our investment decision of both our new property search and our children.

BTW, your math doesn't work. You cannot pay in 0-3% per paycheck and expect to retire on even 50% (let alone 80%+) of your final years' salary until death, off the backs of taxpayers.
The money isn't there, it never was; I'm sorry you voted for a public union friendly politician that lied to you about basic math in exchange for your vote. Those days are over, the ponci scheme only lasts 1.5 generations of teachers and needs to be funded by 5 generations of teachers and taxpayers.

Try 7%.

It was 5% and the state added 2% to help balance the budget last year and this year. That extra 2% didn't go into the pension. It basically was a tax for being a teacher.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:nice attitude MoCo teachers. why don't you edit that.
we shall stay in DC and do private school.
thanks for the color on our investment decision of both our new property search and our children.

BTW, your math doesn't work. You cannot pay in 0-3% per paycheck and expect to retire on even 50% (let alone 80%+) of your final years' salary until death, off the backs of taxpayers.
The money isn't there, it never was; I'm sorry you voted for a public union friendly politician that lied to you about basic math in exchange for your vote. Those days are over, the ponci scheme only lasts 1.5 generations of teachers and needs to be funded by 5 generations of teachers and taxpayers.

Try 7%.

It was 5% and the state added 2% to help balance the budget last year and this year. That extra 2% didn't go into the pension. It basically was a tax for being a teacher.

7% is probably the minimum that people put into their 401k's every year to finance their retirement. Why should teachers be different?

And crackers and water, really?! I will admit, you can't have a one-working-parent family on a teacher's salary, but you can certainly live fine in my neighborhood in Silver Spring on two $80K salaries (or, if the teacher is just starting out, on one $50K and one higher from the other spouse)., particularly if you aren't paying the huge health insurance premiums that most of us in the private sector pay.

I don't see why teachers think they can expect generous pensions, generous benefits, summers/vacations off, and high salaries in a profession that's not revenue generating. Surely you knew this going in!!

I am in favor of high teacher salaries, by the way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:nice attitude MoCo teachers. why don't you edit that.
we shall stay in DC and do private school.
thanks for the color on our investment decision of both our new property search and our children.

BTW, your math doesn't work. You cannot pay in 0-3% per paycheck and expect to retire on even 50% (let alone 80%+) of your final years' salary until death, off the backs of taxpayers.
The money isn't there, it never was; I'm sorry you voted for a public union friendly politician that lied to you about basic math in exchange for your vote. Those days are over, the ponci scheme only lasts 1.5 generations of teachers and needs to be funded by 5 generations of teachers and taxpayers.

Try 7%.

It was 5% and the state added 2% to help balance the budget last year and this year. That extra 2% didn't go into the pension. It basically was a tax for being a teacher.

7% is probably the minimum that people put into their 401k's every year to finance their retirement. Why should teachers be different?

And crackers and water, really?! I will admit, you can't have a one-working-parent family on a teacher's salary, but you can certainly live fine in my neighborhood in Silver Spring on two $80K salaries (or, if the teacher is just starting out, on one $50K and one higher from the other spouse)., particularly if you aren't paying the huge health insurance premiums that most of us in the private sector pay.

I don't see why teachers think they can expect generous pensions, generous benefits, summers/vacations off, and high salaries in a profession that's not revenue generating. Surely you knew this going in!!

I am in favor of high teacher salaries, by the way.

My wife has been teaching in MCPS for 12 years - special education - and she does not make $80k. Plus, the pensions you are talking about are a thng of he past. She has a very modest pension and the equivalent of a 401k. The health insurance, however, is very good. I don't understand why you think summers are "off". That is unpaid time. And it's about 6 weeks, not to months like people tend to think.

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It's not unpaid time. Your wife gets an annual salary that covers her annual schedule. Whether she gets paid in 10 payments or 12 is immaterial.

The maximum teacher's salary in MCPS is $132K and the median is $73K, so I don't know why your wife isn't making around that after 12 years.

Many of us in the private sector pay $12K or more a year in premiums to insure our families. Add that in to the salary for a more realistic view of your wife's compensation relative to others. Honestly, I don't think its bad.

People who want to make $100K+ take risks to do so -- they can be fired at will, they must generate revenue, they often work very long hours, etc. Or they choose a high-return profession which has its own risks and rewards.

If you choose to be a teacher, I believe you should be generously and fairly compensated, and I understand that good benefits and flexible time in the summer and vacations are two benefits that attract teachers. But you really can't have it both ways.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
The maximum teacher's salary in MCPS is $132K.

Show me where this MCPS is located b/c I want to transfer there. The maximim teacher's salary in Montgomery County MD Public Schools is $103,635 and has been the exact same since July 1, 2008. Perhaps you were looking at Administrator's top of the scale salaries, but whatever the case, please get your information correct before you post!

[Anonymous]

Teachers

This category includes all certificated positions except administrators. A first-year teacher with no experience makes $46,400 during the 10-month school year, which increases with years of experience and successful completion of additional academic course work. A teacher with a master’s degree and 10 years of experience makes $70, 300. After 19 years and 60 credits beyond a master’s degree, that teacher will earn $103,600! In addition, there are a number of salary supplements for additional responsibilities, such as teacher leadership positions and positions supporting extracurricular activities.

http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/careers/salaries.aspx

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's not unpaid time. Your wife gets an annual salary that covers her annual schedule. Whether she gets paid in 10 payments or 12 is immaterial.

The maximum teacher's salary in MCPS is $132K and the median is $73K, so I don't know why your wife isn't making around that after 12 years.

Many of us in the private sector pay $12K or more a year in premiums to insure our families. Add that in to the salary for a more realistic view of your wife's compensation relative to others. Honestly, I don't think its bad.

People who want to make $100K+ take risks to do so -- they can be fired at will, they must generate revenue, they often work very long hours, etc. Or they choose a high-return profession which has its own risks and rewards.

If you choose to be a teacher, I believe you should be generously and fairly compensated, and I understand that good benefits and flexible time in the summer and vacations are two benefits that attract teachers. But you really can't have it both ways.

It is absolutely unpaid time. Teachers are paid for 10 months and unpaid for two. Unpaid as in no paychecks. There are some teachers that do work 11 or 12 months and most administrators are paid for 12 months of work. These positions generally pay much more because they are 12 month positions. In fact the $132K teachers you talk about are 12 month employees who work year round and are paid for it. There are very few of these relative to the total number of teachers.

The top pay for ten month teachers is a little over $100K. Those are teachers will over 25 years working and a PHD.

Finally the 7% is for a pension only. If you want a 401 (or 403) a teacher needs to fund that out of the remaining 93% of their check. Previous poster was right. Teachers used to pay 5% and now pay 7. The additional money didn't go into the pension but into the state budget.

[Anonymous]

Why is this thread now all about teachers and their salaries and benefits.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
I think if a school system is considering turf fields during this economy then their budget should be cut. Obviously they have too much money and they do not have any useful projects.

Actually, turf fields are a good investment. While the upfront cost is high the long-term cost is much lower than that of grass and Bermuda fields. The cost to maintain grass fields is ridiculous but turf costs very little throughout the year. There are also fewer injuries on turf which is helpful to the student athletes.

The county doesn't just want turf becuase it "looks nice". Give them a little more credit than that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why is this thread now all about teachers and their salaries and benefits.

b/c the bulk of what the PC complains about relates to teachers' salaries and benefits