Tired of liberal intolerance

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

RantingAtheist wrote:

removing the bigots and homophobes, the gay marriage issue is this. religious institutions a) do not want to be told to "recognize" a gay marriage, whether by acknowledgement or performing a ceromny b)some also dont want gay couples marrying to be seen as an actually marriage so they are really caught up in terminology.

Rereading, this looks like three separate concerns:

a) churches don't want to perform a ceremony
b) churches don't want to "recognize" a marriage
c) churches don't want a same-sex marriage--performed by a different church/creed/sect--to be seen as legitimate.

Now of those three, a) sounds reasonable, and one can make a religious liberty case for it.

I'm not sure what b) would entail. Could you elaborate?

To c), I think the appropriate response in a pluralistic country is "tough shit."

b entails "sure you guys can say you married according to law but in our eyes (of the lord) you guys/gals are just together" or something like that. in extreme cases the couple is sinning

You forgot: "and ohbytheway, since WE don't think you're married, even though you are by the law of the land, your partner doesn't get to come on our health plan, etc."

Which I would also suggest falls into the "tough shit" category.

[Anonymous]

Since when would churches be forced to marry gay couples?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:15:23 I agree it hasnt yet.

However, I would say that in the last 10 years where I have off and on attended church, enough to make this statement, I have never heard the priests spend so many sermons talking about political issues. When I was younger, youd get something every blue moon but its more common now as if the church is threatened by whatever government may impose on them.

From abortion, contraceptives, to gay marriage, the church to me seems worried that they will have to "support" the laws of the land on these issues and I can see their side of their argument.

I don't know how old you are, but during the 80s, 90s and 2000s, all the preachers politicized from the pulpit. Maybe you have elective amnesia. How do you think the Falwells, Robertsons and now Billy Grahmam's son made their mark. Heck, the PTL Jessica Simpson or Hahn preacher preached his televised services and politics were always mingled in the sermon. And the list goes on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We get it. You people hate Christians especially Catholics. In your ideal world you would have a country with no Christianity. This is sort of typical of the modern liberal, profess to be very tolerant and open minded except about things they disagree with. So go ahead and enjoy putting people of faith down and trying to force your view of morality down our throats while screaming tolerance.

Haven't read through this thread yet but I'm sure someone has pointed out that you are complaining about liberals stereotyping and being intolerant by heavy duty stereotyping of and intolerance towards liberals! Physician, heal thyself!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do liberals not understand they are trying to force their views and their morality on conservatives just as much as conservatives are pushing their views. The only difference is whether or not you agree with the position taken.

I am pro-choice, meaning that each individual makes her own decision. If you oppose it, do not have one. I am not forcing you to have one. In your world, you would limit by freedom by preventing from having one. And, in today's Republican world, you want to prevent me from using contraceptives. In my world, it is your choice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We get it. You people hate Christians especially Catholics. In your ideal world you would have a country with no Christianity. This is sort of typical of the modern liberal, profess to be very tolerant and open minded except about things they disagree with. So go ahead and enjoy putting people of faith down and trying to force your view of morality down our throats while screaming tolerance.

Christians and Catholics are not the same thing. I am a Christian and proudly so. .

What do you mean by that? You don't think Catholics are Christian? Or were you distinguishing between Catholics and Protestants?

If you don't think Catholics are Christian, is there a specific denomination that's teaching you this?

Don't be obtuse. She's saying that that it's not automatic that a Christian is a Catholic. She is not saying that Catholics are NOT Christian.[/quote

Catholics consider themselves to be Christians, which is fine. Catholics simply do not represent all of Christianity. In my personal view, the current Catholic Church does not represent in many areas what I consider to be Christian values.

[Anonymous]

RantingAtheist wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do liberals not understand they are trying to force their views and their morality on conservatives just as much as conservatives are pushing their views. The only difference is whether or not you agree with the position taken.

And liberals act like because they are basing their opinions not from religion that it is somehow better or correct.

Since liberals base their opinions on reason--rather than received moral instruction from a leader, or an arbitrary book--then yes, in a pluralist society founded on secular Enlightenment values the process (if not the outcome) is better, and likely to be more correct. That's not to say that conservatives, working backwards from their desired conclusion, can't induct some rational argument. And when they're successful at reverse-engineering a rational argument, that's likely to be respected, even if we don't agree.

But, no, "Pastor Bob says so" or "it's right here in this book" is no way to run a railroad.

In civil society, a particular religious view should NOT be the basis for public policy. Public policy should be based on values that have their basis independent of religion. Otherwise, it is simply the majority religious dogma that gets written into law.

[Anonymous]

this

thread

is

epic!

oh and everyone knows there are no conservatives in this forum, only other hater liberals who flame others that arent lib enough

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:this

thread

is

epic!

oh and everyone knows there are no conservatives in this forum, only other hater liberals who flame others that arent lib enough

Yeah, like you. Clearly you are a feminist, pro-choice liberal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We get it. You people hate Christians especially Catholics. In your ideal world you would have a country with no Christianity. This is sort of typical of the modern liberal, profess to be very tolerant and open minded except about things they disagree with. So go ahead and enjoy putting people of faith down and trying to force your view of morality down our throats while screaming tolerance.

Christians and Catholics are not the same thing. I am a Christian and proudly so. .

What do you mean by that? You don't think Catholics are Christian? Or were you distinguishing between Catholics and Protestants?

If you don't think Catholics are Christian, is there a specific denomination that's teaching you this?

Don't be obtuse. She's saying that that it's not automatic that a Christian is a Catholic. She is not saying that Catholics are NOT Christian.[/quote

Catholics consider themselves to be Christians, which is fine. Catholics simply do not represent all of Christianity. In my personal view, the current Catholic Church does not represent in many areas what I consider to be Christian values.

No, she did not say that at all. She said that Christians and Catholics are not the same thing. She clearly doesn't want her denomination to be lumped in with Catholics because she believes they do not deserve the same criticism.

Truthfully I think the OP is trying to make this an anti-Christian thing but it is clear that one Church is at the center of the recent debates.

[RantingAtheist]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We get it. You people hate Christians especially Catholics. In your ideal world you would have a country with no Christianity. This is sort of typical of the modern liberal, profess to be very tolerant and open minded except about things they disagree with. So go ahead and enjoy putting people of faith down and trying to force your view of morality down our throats while screaming tolerance.

Christians and Catholics are not the same thing. I am a Christian and proudly so. .

What do you mean by that? You don't think Catholics are Christian? Or were you distinguishing between Catholics and Protestants?

If you don't think Catholics are Christian, is there a specific denomination that's teaching you this?

Don't be obtuse. She's saying that that it's not automatic that a Christian is a Catholic. She is not saying that Catholics are NOT Christian.

Catholics consider themselves to be Christians, which is fine. Catholics simply do not represent all of Christianity. In my personal view, the current Catholic Church does not represent in many areas what I consider to be Christian values.

No, she did not say that at all. She said that Christians and Catholics are not the same thing. She clearly doesn't want her denomination to be lumped in with Catholics because she believes they do not deserve the same criticism.

Truthfully I think the OP is trying to make this an anti-Christian thing but it is clear that one Church is at the center of the recent debates.

[On the off-chance someone will respond--thought I'd fix the tags.]

[takoma]

RantingAtheist wrote:...
[On the off-chance someone will respond--thought I'd fix the tags.]

When you are signed in you get the lovely bonus of being able to go back and edit your messages. You could have just fixed the first one rather than repeating it -- just look at the top of the message, next to "quote".

[Anonymous]

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[takoma]

Anonymous wrote:this says it all

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:this says it all

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