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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=RantingAtheist][quote]removing the bigots and homophobes, the gay marriage issue is this. religious institutions a) do not want to be told to "recognize" a gay marriage, whether by acknowledgement or performing a ceromny b)some also dont want gay couples marrying to be seen as an actually marriage so they are really caught up in terminology. [/quote]

Rereading, this looks like three separate concerns:

a) churches don't want to perform a ceremony
b) churches don't want to "recognize" a marriage
c) churches don't want a same-sex marriage--performed by a different church/creed/sect--to be seen as legitimate.

Now of those three, a) sounds reasonable, and one can make a religious liberty case for it.

I'm not sure what b) would entail. Could you elaborate?

To c), I think the appropriate response in a pluralistic country is "tough shit." [/quote]

b entails "sure you guys can say you married according to law but in our eyes (of the lord) you guys/gals are just together" or something like that. in extreme cases the couple is sinning

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You forgot:  "and ohbytheway, since WE don't think you're married, even though you are by the law of the land, your partner doesn't get to come on our health plan, etc."

Which I would also suggest falls into the "tough shit" category.[/quote]

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