Kansas Rep. Pete DeGraaf: Being impregnated during a rape is just like getting a flat tire

Anonymous
yes, the life of the baby is MUCH more important than the emotional health of the mom. Not sure how that is in dispute. and the baby cannot decide how he or she was conceived, so even a baby from rape or incest has just as much right to life as anyone else.
Anonymous
You're free to have your right to life beliefs. You are, however, not free to legislate away my insurance coverage because your view contradicts applicable law.

Why don't you try to change the law that says I have the right to choose an abortion? Tormenting rape victims to make a point is not furthering your morality debate.
Anonymous
15:31 - what if the mother would rather commit suicide than bear a baby that comes from the gene pool of the rapist ... Then you have two dead people. Is that better? How about this ... let's INCARCERATE all the women who are rape victims for at least 6 weeks after the rape (to make sure whether or not they conceived so we can protect the child) and if they did , keep them incarcerated until they bear the baby. How does that sound? (obviously sarcastic here)
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Federal money? Elective? Are you high? Please read up on the Hyde and Stupak amendments. There are no federally funded elective abortions. I don't see how you can argue the product of rape is elective, unless you have no soul. There's not even an exception for fatal fetal defect. Read up on matters before you go spouting off about things that aren't true.

I pay my entire premium (not a benefit at my job) and abortion is one of my benefits. It's one I hope to never use. When you start paying my premiums for me, I'll give you a say in the coverage.


I said "federally funded OR elective." And, yes, abortion when the child is the result of rape is medically elective. You may disagree as to whether or not you want to pay for it, and I respect all views, but don't think I'm high or uninformed simply because I disagree with you. And, yes, I have a soul. As do the children formed as a result of rape. Again, not taking away anyone's rights, just don't want to fund it.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:15:31 - what if the mother would rather commit suicide than bear a baby that comes from the gene pool of the rapist ... Then you have two dead people. Is that better? How about this ... let's INCARCERATE all the women who are rape victims for at least 6 weeks after the rape (to make sure whether or not they conceived so we can protect the child) and if they did , keep them incarcerated until they bear the baby. How does that sound? (obviously sarcastic here)


Over 90% of rapes are not reported because of the stigma still attached to rape and because the woman is, somehow, always seen as doing something to invite this. Rape victims, as another PP pointed out, somehow always end of being to blame. My feelings about this go beyond rage.

Elizabeth Smart was kidnapped from her bedroom. I wonder what DeGraff would have said about this and how she should have been prepared.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Federal money? Elective? Are you high? Please read up on the Hyde and Stupak amendments. There are no federally funded elective abortions. I don't see how you can argue the product of rape is elective, unless you have no soul. There's not even an exception for fatal fetal defect. Read up on matters before you go spouting off about things that aren't true.

I pay my entire premium (not a benefit at my job) and abortion is one of my benefits. It's one I hope to never use. When you start paying my premiums for me, I'll give you a say in the coverage.


I said "federally funded OR elective." And, yes, abortion when the child is the result of rape is medically elective. You may disagree as to whether or not you want to pay for it, and I respect all views, but don't think I'm high or uninformed simply because I disagree with you. And, yes, I have a soul. As do the children formed as a result of rape. Again, not taking away anyone's rights, just don't want to fund it.


I don't want to fund war but I pay my taxes and I don't get a choice as to where the money goes. What I find so interesting about pro-lifers is that you are against abortion and you are also against pre- and post-natal care when it comes to welfare.
Anonymous
The law does not consider a non-viable fetus a person. Try to change what you disagree with and stop trying to blame rape victims.
Anonymous
15:31, you are beyond ignorant and hateful. I hate you, even anonymously.
Anonymous
I've been raped, and I can tell you first hand, it's nothing like getting a flat tire.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:yes, the life of the baby is MUCH more important than the emotional health of the mom. Not sure how that is in dispute. and the baby cannot decide how he or she was conceived, so even a baby from rape or incest has just as much right to life as anyone else.

You are an ignorant woman. Obviously you haven't been violated. Imagine this - you're young and in college. You're walking home and someone grabs you, puts a knife to your neck and tells you that if you scream, he'll slice you up. He then pulls down your pants, all the while you're trying desperately to stop the rape, and forces his penis inside you, all the while you're praying to survive or asking for death, simultaneous thoughts.

Imagine this is your daughter...would you still want her to bear the child of her rapist?

You need to do some serious reflection woman.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:yes, the life of the baby is MUCH more important than the emotional health of the mom. Not sure how that is in dispute. and the baby cannot decide how he or she was conceived, so even a baby from rape or incest has just as much right to life as anyone else.

What about the emotional health of the criminal? He gets to have his fun, do it again to someone else, gets to spread diseases.
If and when he gets caught he most probably will not stand trial, if he does the victim gets dragged thru the mud.
how convenient that a man that knows the girl cannot manage is ok, and the woman is blamed for the abortion.

shame shame for the girl, hush hush for the man. It is a mans world.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:yes, the life of the baby is MUCH more important than the emotional health of the mom. Not sure how that is in dispute. and the baby cannot decide how he or she was conceived, so even a baby from rape or incest has just as much right to life as anyone else.

What about the emotional health of the criminal? He gets to have his fun, do it again to someone else, gets to spread diseases.
If and when he gets caught he most probably will not stand trial, if he does the victim gets dragged thru the mud.
how convenient that a man that knows the girl cannot manage is ok, and the woman is blamed for the abortion.

shame shame for the girl, hush hush for the man. It is a mans world.


You can't talk logic with such an imbecile. That person is a bible thumping ingrate who doesn't actually care about the living, as evidenced by the above post. Why even try? Let him or her just adopt all of the babies who are the product of rape or incest and put their money where their mouth is. But that would never happen, because they're too busy criticizing other people to ever have time to actually DO anything. Makes me sick.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:yes, the life of the baby is MUCH more important than the emotional health of the mom. Not sure how that is in dispute. and the baby cannot decide how he or she was conceived, so even a baby from rape or incest has just as much right to life as anyone else.



A blob of cells that is unwanted has no rights of any kind in my view and will very likely end up with emotional problems and possibly a major problem to society. What's wrong with planning children that are wanted.
Anonymous
I am one of the PPs who does not want to fund elective abortions, including in rape cases. Other posters seem to assume that I have no experience with these issues, or even that I am not in favor of welfare provisions. To the contrary, I have such string feelings about this issue because my sister is the product of a rape. We learned this when we were adults. Our parents are happily married, and my sister has a terrific relationship with the rest of our family. My mother does not talk with us about the rape much at all (it was over 40 years ago), but she did not let it, or having my sister ruin her life. Had you asked her at the time, she might not have imagined how that horrific incident would result in one if the strongest and most fulfilling relationships of her life. In this and other ways, I think that people are much more adaptable and strong than they think they are in times of crisis. And for what it's worth, I'm a pretty far left liberal democrat.
Anonymous
pp
your parents were happily married. She did not have to choose between begging on the streets to feed her fatherless child and living with a man she loves
it does not work like that for all
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