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Kansas Rep. Pete DeGraaf: Being impregnated during a rape is just like getting a flat tire
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Anonymous
| I'M guessing the lady is happy to be alive, and not murdered. |
Anonymous
Well then the market should decide how to handle it. If people want general policies that cover it, they should be able to buy them. If pro-lifers want to buy pro-life policies, then they should be able to do that. Government has no place outlawing insurance that covers a legal procedure or deciding how it is to be presented. Persaonally I would benefit greatly if insurance had lots of riders - diabetes riders, heart disease riders, etc. My family is at low risk and I could cut costs dramatically. But it is a dangerous path to have government making these decisions. |
Anonymous
| If you tip a waitress, do you check to make sure she's not going to spend it on an abortion? |
Anonymous
Did you read past my first sentence? Understanding how it works and agreeing with it are two different things. |
Anonymous
22!14 and her diatribes and all pro-lifers, 20% of your HHI after taxes should be taken from you to support all unwanted children, irrespective of how they are conceived, until these children are 25 yrs. old to ensure they are properly housed, clothed, fed, and educated. If this were the case every single one of you would stop your sanctimonious claptrap. 22:14, if your sister was fully integrated into your family, then why did your mother ever feel it necessary to tell all of you that she is a product of rape? Why did you feel it necessary to call her the product of rape, unless it makes you feel superior? My body is mine. If I have a rare blood type, I cannot be forced to give a dying child or adult a blood transfusion; I cannot be forced to donate a kidney to anyone on dialysis or renal failure. My blood type could save a lot of lives; my kidney could save a life; my bone marrow could save a life or several but the government cannot force me to do any of these things to save the life of an innocent child, pregnant woman, or serial murderer. Why then, can it force me to have the bastard child of a rapist? To the victim of the rapist (notably your saintly mother) this life is not so damn innocent. I know whereof I speak. I prayed for five hours that bastard would not kill me and wished for all the years afterward that he had. Shut up because you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. I was 17 and parents were sanctimonious pricks who believed in "innocent life" crap without a thought to their daughter and what she was going through. I severed all contact with them when I was 21 as well as with every member of my family; their morbid curiosity was more than I could bear. They even wanted me to keep this bastard but I refused. Fast forward 23 years and bastard finds me and wants money even tried blackmail (I had told my husband but not children). I called police. Not so innocent, was she? |
Anonymous
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Take that 12:16 and all your sanctimonious
Bullshit. No, everyone does not recover like your dear mother. As to why she thought it was necessary to share her rape with the entire family, I could only imagine. I of course Never did and never will. There is no upside. Oh and btw, had I ended up pregnant like PP there is no way I would have had that child. Thank god for the likes of planned parenthood. No every does not completely recover from rape. Imwould venture most, if not all rarely fully recover. If you don't believe me, try sitting through a couple ofnrape counseling sessions with survivors still surviving many many years later. God just writing this makes me hate and despise you and the likes and this is an anonymous board I pray thaT I don't know you in the real world. |
Anonymous
| How about this: physical castration + death penalty for the rapist in exchange for no money for abortions for rape victims. |
Anonymous
| Your attempt of humor is not working. |
Anonymous
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My issue with this is that people think it's their money being used by an insurer. Your choices when dealing with a corporation are : 1) buy or 2) don't buy. It's not your money after it leaves your hand to pay for a service.
I don't care for Walmart's policies so I don't buy things from them. You can send letters and hope for a change, but it's not your money after you use it to purchase something. You own the goods or are entitled to the agreed upon service. You can't march into the damn Walmart and demand they stop selling an item because you just bought the 24 pack of toilet paper. It's not your company. It's not your money. It's not your decision. No one is forcing you to buy abortion coverage anymore than they are forcing you to buy prostate surgery, OB care or heart transplants. Get over yourselves. |
Anonymous
I cannot help but think there is more to this story. If she really is the product of rape, then why do you advertise this, or even know about it. Maybe your mother had an affair. It really is unusual for a man to hang around after a woman has a baby to some other man. YOu have not been told the truth |
Anonymous
| Exactly 21:43. This is either false, a fantasy tale to make her ludicrous points, or the really sick reality her mother actually told them this??! There is nothing about that story, either false or real, that I respect in any way. |
Anonymous
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I am 1633. It is early in the morning and I have been up for an hour now. I woke up with a pillow full of tears. This thread has brought bax some horrible horrible feelings that I thought I had long conquered. I don't know what 1216 mean by a ruined life, but I know that after surviving a rape, your life is never the same. I don't care how hardnyoou try, I think it impossible. I know this from personal experience and listening to the stories of others
Imagine sending your 19 year old dear daughter out into the world to make her mark. Your daughter is bright, independent, strong with shining hope in her eyes. You have taught an instructed your child about the pitfalls of then wold and how to avoid unscrupulous people. At least that is what you believed One day DD is introduced to a nice young man by all outwardly appearance. Some would say that he looks pretty good on a paper as well. Your DD agrees to go out on a date. She spends the next two hours (time stops) in a dark, isolated place with a social path. Her pleas go ignored. Her screams go unanswered. Your DD is raped not once, but twice and forced to perform oral sex as well. When he is finished, he asks her if she is okay, did she enjoy it, and when can he see her again. All she can do is comply because at this point she wants to live to see tomorrow. He takes her back to her apartment (which she later leaves because hoe knows where she reside). She avoids her roommates like a pariah. She tells no one because for years she will always believe that fit was her fault. She was the strong, smart daughter. She showers and attempt to carry on as life before the incident. Life is never that simple. In her irrational now moody, bitchy, annoying, overly aggressive state she still understands that she could have gotten pregnant. Three days later ( I know, I know) she goes to a reproductive free clinic and askmfor an abortion. Three different pregnant tests are conducted before the doctor finally says that she is not pregnant. She is still doing this all by herself. If there had been no free clinic around, DD would have found, without a shadow of doubt, some hangar nurse to wrench that stench from her womb. The sad part about this is DD was very close to mother and mother would have supported her in every wa, but it was her shame to carry alone. Twenty-five years later, and DD still never told her mother, her sisters or her grandma mere. The only people who has heard her story are strangers in a room, now in cyberspace and the one man who finally conquered her fears. That in and of itself is a different story and how DD would intentionally sabotage her romantic relationships over the years In speaking of women who kept the child of their rapists, I've also heard some of those stories. They are not all so lovey dovey as someone on this board would like to describe. Some of come to love and accept these children. However often times if there were other children in the house, the child of the rapist was not the most favorite. I think they call it a self-conscious ostracism. As to adopting a child of a rapist, I no of at least one person who would not. When DH and I received a referral for our first child, the first referral was a child who was the product of rape. Without hesitation, my husband rejected the referral. I later learned that we were the child's third referral. On a positive note, I think he was eventually placed with a forever family. My experience also taught me that I never wanted to raise a daughter, so we specifically specified boys during our adoption period. Any way, thank you for allowing me the opportunity to express that if your mother's story is true, would say your family is unique and you are blessed by that. However, you should never assume, which you do in your postings, that your family is the norm. Until you have been forcibly Raped and taken it up the ass without permission or lubricant, you really cannot understand why someone would think to go to a backstreet abortionist out of desperation. For that is what you and many others advocate when you make it more and more diddicult for women to obtain them legally and affordable Peace out, |
Anonymous
| Please ignore the many typos, grammtical mistKes and run on sentences above. I am emotionally fried right now. I did not proofreader and I really don't want to hear from the grammar police. Thanks in advance |
Anonymous
| Abortion riders run about $2-$3/mo, according to AP articles. |
Anonymous
14:52 here. PP I know your story because the assaults were virtually the same. I found out last summer that he had died and even though I knew, intellectually, that he could never harm me again, emotionally, I was still terrified. When I read his obituary it felt as though all the fear and rage vanished. This thread, however, brought it all up again and the rage is still overwhelming. I've had counselling but one is forever changed because the body can heal but rape is an assault against one's soul and no amount of counselling can even begin to undo this harm. So many times I have thought about volunteering at a rape crisis center and every time I back out. I wanted to hold these victims and tell them it wasn't their fault. For so long I believed that I must have done something, because a young man from a good family would not have done something so evil, and my rage was directed at myself. I used to think that anyone looking at me could tell that I had been raped and I honestly believed that I was no longer worthy of being loved and no one wanted to be loved by me. For many years it was impossible for me to trust anyone. I am so sorry this happened to you and so enraged that so many people treat this so lightly. I'm sending you a virtual hug with all the support you need. God bless. |