Kansas Rep. Pete DeGraaf: Being impregnated during a rape is just like getting a flat tire

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'll probably get flamed for this but to me I think he just ssaid it wrong. Ok so they banned medical insurance from covering abortions in all cases except to save the life of the mother. But then have a provision for an abortion only policy not just in cases of rape but also unwanted pregnacy

I think that's a bunch of nonsense. An abortion insurance policy? Really?

I haven't had a miscarriage or an abortion, but medically, they can be IDENTICAL and I'm relatively sure that the insurance codes don't differentiate between an abortion that someone gets because she WANTS one and an abortion that someone gets as part of a miscarriage.

But the insurance company has access to the medical records, which would show whether the embryo or fetus was showing a heartbeat or not. If heartbeat then the insurance co would only pay for the abortion IF the woman had filed a police report claiming rape AND if the woman had previously purchased rape abortion insurance.

Call me a crazy radical feminist, but I really don't want my insurance company or some asshole from Kansas making decisions about what I can and can't do with my own body. This kind of law would never be enacted, for example, regarding cancer. If it was a men's issue, abortions would probably come with subscriptions to Sports Illustrated and complimentary cigars.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hope he doesn't have a daughter.

Or, hopefully, he has a spare, if the first one gets raped.

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How many insurance companies even cover non-medical abortions? I don't mean to derail, I'm just genuinely curious bc I suspect the number is low to begin with.

I know for a fact that my insurance did not cover abortion, it also did not cover birth control. I pay out of pocket for the latter and thankfully never needed the former.

[Anonymous]

13:26, I meant abortions that aren't medically necessary.

[Anonymous]

If you're not mad yet, see this post on Salon today:

Abortion saved my life
I almost died in an emergency room because the doctor on call refused to perform a necessary procedure
http://www.salon.com/news/abortion/index.html?story=/mwt/feature/2011/05/26/abortion_saved_my_life

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'll probably get flamed for this but to me I think he just ssaid it wrong. Ok so they banned medical insurance from covering abortions in all cases except to save the life of the mother. But then have a provision for an abortion only policy not just in cases of rape but also unwanted pregnacy

I think that's a bunch of nonsense. An abortion insurance policy? Really?

I haven't had a miscarriage or an abortion, but medically, they can be IDENTICAL and I'm relatively sure that the insurance codes don't differentiate between an abortion that someone gets because she WANTS one and an abortion that someone gets as part of a miscarriage.

But the insurance company has access to the medical records, which would show whether the embryo or fetus was showing a heartbeat or not. If heartbeat then the insurance co would only pay for the abortion IF the woman had filed a police report claiming rape AND if the woman had previously purchased rape abortion insurance.

Call me a crazy radical feminist, but I really don't want my insurance company or some asshole from Kansas making decisions about what I can and can't do with my own body. This kind of law would never be enacted, for example, regarding cancer. If it was a men's issue, abortions would probably come with subscriptions to Sports Illustrated and complimentary cigars.

the point is, that over half the country also wants to consider the other person involved - the unborn baby. we can argue over the fringes, but don't you think they deserve a voice too?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'll probably get flamed for this but to me I think he just ssaid it wrong. Ok so they banned medical insurance from covering abortions in all cases except to save the life of the mother. But then have a provision for an abortion only policy not just in cases of rape but also unwanted pregnacy

I think that's a bunch of nonsense. An abortion insurance policy? Really?

I haven't had a miscarriage or an abortion, but medically, they can be IDENTICAL and I'm relatively sure that the insurance codes don't differentiate between an abortion that someone gets because she WANTS one and an abortion that someone gets as part of a miscarriage.

But the insurance company has access to the medical records, which would show whether the embryo or fetus was showing a heartbeat or not. If heartbeat then the insurance co would only pay for the abortion IF the woman had filed a police report claiming rape AND if the woman had previously purchased rape abortion insurance.

Call me a crazy radical feminist, but I really don't want my insurance company or some asshole from Kansas making decisions about what I can and can't do with my own body. This kind of law would never be enacted, for example, regarding cancer. If it was a men's issue, abortions would probably come with subscriptions to Sports Illustrated and complimentary cigars.

the point is, that over half the country also wants to consider the other person involved - the unborn baby. we can argue over the fringes, but don't you think they deserve a voice too?

You, as a woman, are worse than Pete DeGraff. Stop turning this into a pro-life vs. pro-choice discussion. We are talking about a woman who is impregnated because she was raped. In this case, I don't give a damn about anything but this woman's choice to have an abortion. I know first hand because it happened to me and I was underage and refused an abortion. Until this has happened to you then you can't speak about what you would do or not do. And, no, the embryo of a rapist should not ihave a voice in this decision; Idon't care if it could cure all cancers and bring world peace.

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if you truly think the unborn baby is a person, then logically it doesn't matter how it was conceived (incest, rape, etc.). They are innocent.

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If you are pro-life and count a fetus as a person, then get up off your ass and try to get a Constitutional amendment passed. That's the only thing that will stop them because of Roe v Wade right to privacy decision. Oh, you can't get enough support for that? Hmm, I wonder why.

Otherwise, stop with support for all these BS laws that don't prevent an abortion. This issue, like the recent federal bill, is only arguing about how they should be paid for and are degrading to rape victims.

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Anonymous wrote:if you truly think the unborn baby is a person, then logically it doesn't matter how it was conceived (incest, rape, etc.). They are innocent.

I'm as pro-choice as you can get and I agree with this. I have never understood how people who are anti-abortion can make exceptions if they truly believe abortion=murder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How many insurance companies even cover non-medical abortions? I don't mean to derail, I'm just genuinely curious bc I suspect the number is low to begin with.

I know for a fact that my insurance did not cover abortion, it also did not cover birth control. I pay out of pocket for the latter and thankfully never needed the former.

I don't think it's that uncommon. My regular 'ole insurance coverage covers "elective abortions."

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'll probably get flamed for this but to me I think he just ssaid it wrong. Ok so they banned medical insurance from covering abortions in all cases except to save the life of the mother. But then have a provision for an abortion only policy not just in cases of rape but also unwanted pregnacy

I think that's a bunch of nonsense. An abortion insurance policy? Really?

I haven't had a miscarriage or an abortion, but medically, they can be IDENTICAL and I'm relatively sure that the insurance codes don't differentiate between an abortion that someone gets because she WANTS one and an abortion that someone gets as part of a miscarriage.

But the insurance company has access to the medical records, which would show whether the embryo or fetus was showing a heartbeat or not. If heartbeat then the insurance co would only pay for the abortion IF the woman had filed a police report claiming rape AND if the woman had previously purchased rape abortion insurance.

Call me a crazy radical feminist, but I really don't want my insurance company or some asshole from Kansas making decisions about what I can and can't do with my own body. This kind of law would never be enacted, for example, regarding cancer. If it was a men's issue, abortions would probably come with subscriptions to Sports Illustrated and complimentary cigars.

the point is, that over half the country also wants to consider the other person involved - the unborn baby. we can argue over the fringes, but don't you think they deserve a voice too?

1. Where do you come up with that little nugget of non-truth?
2. You're crazy.
3. You're nuts.
4. Go away.

[Anonymous]

I'm a now 44 year old who was in a similar position to LIVID last summer. LIVID, I want to meet you someday!

As for this moron in Kansas, I suppose we should require a separate insurance rider for men in case of castration. If he happens to get castrated, medical insurance will not cover the reattachment procedure unless he has specifically obtained the medical rider in advance.

I really wish men would equate a woman's reproductive organs with their penis. Most men are violently protective of their penises. I am violently protective of my uterus and who gets to reside inside.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'll probably get flamed for this but to me I think he just ssaid it wrong. Ok so they banned medical insurance from covering abortions in all cases except to save the life of the mother. But then have a provision for an abortion only policy not just in cases of rape but also unwanted pregnacy

I think that's a bunch of nonsense. An abortion insurance policy? Really?

I haven't had a miscarriage or an abortion, but medically, they can be IDENTICAL and I'm relatively sure that the insurance codes don't differentiate between an abortion that someone gets because she WANTS one and an abortion that someone gets as part of a miscarriage.

But the insurance company has access to the medical records, which would show whether the embryo or fetus was showing a heartbeat or not. If heartbeat then the insurance co would only pay for the abortion IF the woman had filed a police report claiming rape AND if the woman had previously purchased rape abortion insurance.

Call me a crazy radical feminist, but I really don't want my insurance company or some asshole from Kansas making decisions about what I can and can't do with my own body. This kind of law would never be enacted, for example, regarding cancer. If it was a men's issue, abortions would probably come with subscriptions to Sports Illustrated and complimentary cigars.

the point is, that over half the country also wants to consider the other person involved - the unborn baby. we can argue over the fringes, but don't you think they deserve a voice too?

The problem is that regardless of what "over half this country" wants is that abortion is a LEGAL PROCEDURE. These bureaucratic roadblocks are intended to circumvent the law. They aren't criminalizing abortion, of course - they are just making it difficult, expensive, and humiliating to get one, regardless of a woman's reason for wanting to get one.

The problem with your logic about "the other person involved" is that my belief that a fetus does not have rights does not harm YOU. Your belief that the fetus has rights assumes that the fetus's rights trump MY rights, which then forces me to continue a pregnancy conceived in fear, pain and shame. I don't understand how you can stand behind your argument about compassion for the rights of "the other person involved" while doing that. I just don't.

[Anonymous]

LIVID here again. When I was working with the Center for Reproductive Rights, the number I was given was that around 50% of insurance plans cover "elective abortions" and the number is closer to 90% when we start talking about the "therapeutic abortions." My current insurance plan (through my husband's job) covers elective abortions. I know Planned Parenthood takes insurance.

PP. I'm sorry for your loss. I know how much it hurts.