Nonresidents get a pass on DCPS tuition

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Anonymouswhere do u report disgruntled and desperate housewives...my GOD, now you want to report someone that could be an excellent resource to your child. I think teachers' children should have priority no matter where they live!You can continue your rampage, nothing is going to happen anyway![/quote wrote:

NP here, sorry you're wrong. That's like saying that my job downtown that has subsidized daycare should be free instead of $1400 a month. Uh no, I'm not even guaranteed a spot, there is a waitlist. It is not DC's responsibility to subsidize student's that live in another state because their parent teaches there. That's just it, a job. Just like we all have jobs.

NP, you are so right and hardened..hopefully your child will end up in a classroom with one of the newly rehired DCPS teachers, because all of the out of state teachers packed up and left with their children in tow! Bottom line, nothing is going to happen, so cry me a river!

You're cry me a river shit is getting old. You're not even comprehending the moral of the story here. I bet you money that you're not even a DC parent. I am as far left as they come and can still comprehend that free education from a school system that is already broke is not guaranteed for out-of-state residents (teacher or not).

Boo hoo....an idiot is someone venting on an anonymous forum, calling someone else an idiot that has a different opinion! Go cut your TV on, and get your Jerry Springer fix for the day!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is a fascinating and important thread.

I wish posters would name the names of schools, though. Not the names of children, of course, but the schools that they describe in their posts about fraud.

I'll start. At Murch, in the past five years, I know of two children / two families who attend Murch although the children live in PG county. One was a fake address-relative situation and the other was an employee situation. Everyone who knew about this seemed to look the other way; it was an open secret.

John Eaton, another NW school that turns away DC kids in the lottery, has had non-DC resident students as well. According to the DCPS central office, there were no tuition paying students there. The number of MD license plates at drop-off used to be very noticeable, but seems to be fewer this year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymouswhere do u report disgruntled and desperate housewives...my GOD, now you want to report someone that could be an excellent resource to your child. I think teachers' children should have priority no matter where they live!You can continue your rampage, nothing is going to happen anyway![/quote wrote:

NP here, sorry you're wrong. That's like saying that my job downtown that has subsidized daycare should be free instead of $1400 a month. Uh no, I'm not even guaranteed a spot, there is a waitlist. It is not DC's responsibility to subsidize student's that live in another state because their parent teaches there. That's just it, a job. Just like we all have jobs.

NP, you are so right and hardened..hopefully your child will end up in a classroom with one of the newly rehired DCPS teachers, because all of the out of state teachers packed up and left with their children in tow! Bottom line, nothing is going to happen, so cry me a river!

You're cry me a river shit is getting old. You're not even comprehending the moral of the story here. I bet you money that you're not even a DC parent. I am as far left as they come and can still comprehend that free education from a school system that is already broke is not guaranteed for out-of-state residents (teacher or not).

Boo hoo....an idiot is someone venting on an anonymous forum, calling someone else an idiot that has a different opinion! Go cut your TV on, and get your Jerry Springer fix for the day!

It's not something to have an opinion about (to be an idiot)...it's the law. If you want to debate whether it should be against the law, that's another topic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Good for you. I think when others were referring to non active parents from PG they certainly weren't talking about families like you. It's obvious that if you're paying at least $20k (you said children so I am assuming at least two kids), then of course you would be a committed parent. I'm assuming (because I didn't make that comment) that they were referring to the parents that use DC preschool and prek as a free daycare alternative. Thank you for contributing to DC schools!

pp 22:11 & 22:22 here...thank you pp for the kind words. There seems to be so much vitriol towards PG residents who send their kids to school in DC, it's really refreshing to see someone who can recognize that we can, in fact, contribute in a positive way. And that we're not all stealing from DCPS. This made my day!

As far as I can tell there are two issues: 1. there are those who are against non-residents who use a phony DC address to gain a free PS & PK spots and 2. DC residents who are angry that legitimate, paying non-residents are allowed entry to schools that have residents on the waitlist. Sometimes I wonder why I'm getting the sideways look when I acknowledge where we live.

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Anonymous wrote:Good for you. I think when others were referring to non active parents from PG they certainly weren't talking about families like you. It's obvious that if you're paying at least $20k (you said children so I am assuming at least two kids), then of course you would be a committed parent. I'm assuming (because I didn't make that comment) that they were referring to the parents that use DC preschool and prek as a free daycare alternative. Thank you for contributing to DC schools!

pp 22:11 & 22:22 here...thank you pp for the kind words. There seems to be so much vitriol towards PG residents who send their kids to school in DC, it's really refreshing to see someone who can recognize that we can, in fact, contribute in a positive way. And that we're not all stealing from DCPS. This made my day!

As far as I can tell there are two issues: 1. there are those who are against non-residents who use a phony DC address to gain a free PS & PK spots and 2. DC residents who are angry that legitimate, paying non-residents are allowed entry to schools that have residents on the waitlist. Sometimes I wonder why I'm getting the sideways look when I acknowledge where we live.

I think your get the sideways look b/c you are the exception to the exception. My gut tells me that for every family that is paying tuition, there are 50 that are not. Do you know any other PG families in DC schools? Are they paying tution or using a family member's address?

I had a conversation a year ago with a co-worker who had absolutely no issue using extended families' addresses for residency. She had family members at Drew in Arlington although they were Prince William residents, and she was enrolling her daughter in DC using her God-Parent's address for residency even though she lived in Fall's Church.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is a fascinating and important thread.

I wish posters would name the names of schools, though. Not the names of children, of course, but the schools that they describe in their posts about fraud.

I'll start. At Murch, in the past five years, I know of two children / two families who attend Murch although the children live in PG county. One was a fake address-relative situation and the other was an employee situation. Everyone who knew about this seemed to look the other way; it was an open secret.

John Eaton, another NW school that turns away DC kids in the lottery, has had non-DC resident students as well. According to the DCPS central office, there were no tuition paying students there. The number of MD license plates at drop-off used to be very noticeable, but seems to be fewer this year.

Stokes. At least two kids in the PK, both have at least one older sibling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a fascinating and important thread.

I wish posters would name the names of schools, though. Not the names of children, of course, but the schools that they describe in their posts about fraud.

I'll start. At Murch, in the past five years, I know of two children / two families who attend Murch although the children live in PG county. One was a fake address-relative situation and the other was an employee situation. Everyone who knew about this seemed to look the other way; it was an open secret.

John Eaton, another NW school that turns away DC kids in the lottery, has had non-DC resident students as well. According to the DCPS central office, there were no tuition paying students there. The number of MD license plates at drop-off used to be very noticeable, but seems to be fewer this year.

Stokes. At least two kids in the PK, both have at least one older sibling.

would you call the DC hotline to report?

[Anonymous]

I know this has been discussed a ton - but .....
this morning I needed to take a different route to work and drove past Thomson Elementary on my way to work during the dop off window. I was shocked at the number of Maryland plates unloading kids.

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It's everywhere, without a doubt. There have been times when families have "outed" themselves in public as living in MD at my kid's school and nobody bats an eye. There are teachers' kids there, administrators and secretaries' kids there. Sometimes I think they started there in preK but then moved out to Maryland and just kept going, somehow bringing in enough documentation for the file (although everyone knows they living MD). It's not fair, there are waitlisted families at every grade. Sometimes there are divorces and the non-custodial parent still lives in DC. Or the family still owns a property in DC but lives in MD. I don't get it but it's not enforced. I'm not going to be the one to blow the whistle though-- it's so systemic that there's no reason to screw up one or two family's situations. And I know the kids and families and they are nice people-- if they get caught it'll be because DCPS is doing their job, not because of me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's everywhere, without a doubt. There have been times when families have "outed" themselves in public as living in MD at my kid's school and nobody bats an eye. There are teachers' kids there, administrators and secretaries' kids there. Sometimes I think they started there in preK but then moved out to Maryland and just kept going, somehow bringing in enough documentation for the file (although everyone knows they living MD). It's not fair, there are waitlisted families at every grade. Sometimes there are divorces and the non-custodial parent still lives in DC. Or the family still owns a property in DC but lives in MD. I don't get it but it's not enforced. I'm not going to be the one to blow the whistle though-- it's so systemic that there's no reason to screw up one or two family's situations. And I know the kids and families and they are nice people-- if they get caught it'll be because DCPS is doing their job, not because of me.

..and you really do not know what the situation is..for instance, my sister and her daughter lives in DC, and my sister works in VA. I live in VA, and work in DC. I carpool my niece from school in the evenings, and my sister picks her up from my house which is closer to her job...I have VA plates, and see the ssumption you would have made not knowing the situation. Yeah, some people are nonresidents, but you just never know..so let DCPS do their job!

[Anonymous]

I am a Thomson parent. I often see a number of students coming to school in cars with Maryland license plates. Some mornings see parents park their cas with Maryland plates in front of my house and walked preschool age kids to school- Pretty sure they are not in boundary for Thomson. I get very irritated when I think about all the D.C kids who didn't get a preschool/pre-K spot, including in bound kids!

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Take photos of the MD license plates and turn them over to DCPS for further inquiry. Send a copy to Kwame Brown's office -- he recently introduced legislation to up the penalties for this.

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To the 5/17 poster who said I do not know the story.... See, that's the problem, I actually do know the story. I know the family very well. The dad works at a non-profit in DC. The family lives in a close in MD suburb. He brings two children to school every day into the city. The child in my child's class openly states when it comes up that he lives in MD. And finally, the dad was quoted in the past few months in a newspaper article on a completely different topic that he is a MD resident. The parents live together. So that's that. I know the story completely as our school is rather small and everyone knows pretty much most of the basics about everyone else.

So do I call about this family? No I will not. I'm not willing to get involved. But it's so so so obvious that if anyone really cared, this family would be busted. No one close enough to the situation does care, so they keep coming to the school year after year. DCPS does not care enough to do anything about it.

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Anonymous wrote:If you have a PG/MC/VA parent committed enough to drive to Dc twice a day in rush hour traffic to take their children to school, I would bet these same parents are willing toake arrangements to attend parent meetings 4 evenings out of the year!!

Anonymous wrote:Sorry, as a DC taxpayer, I'm whining. I'm whining, when I hear that funds are being cut for music and art classes. I'm whining when I hear that taxes have to be raised. I'm whining that the DC taxpayers and the kids are being ripped off. And a lottery is only a fair lottery when the system isn't being rigged.

As for increasing parental involvement in the schools? I doubt it -- PG County is kind of far to make evening meetings.

"Stop whining..you have to take the good with the bad. Sure, nonresidents may take a few spots, but hopefully, they are contributing to the success of the school by increasing test scores and parental involvement"

Uh no. The article talks about this being an issue at Thomson. Most likely, out of town parents drive their kids into the city with them when they go to work. There's nothing implied there about additional involvement.

The article, as you all note, talked about a parent who couldn't get their kid into their "in boundary" school. Clearly, Thomson's not going to go down in enrollment any time soon. The issue, as I see it, is that downtown is no longer deserted. People with kids now live their and want to keep their kids enrolled in schools there. That makes a lot of sense to me.

I'm a parent who couldn't get my kid (in-bounds) to Thomson for PK. It KILLS me that there are MD kids at this school. I want to know why the news isn't investigating this and why MD parents are not in jail. Otherwise, I want you to pay my goddamn DC taxes. And FUCK you for walking about me "whining"

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Are you doing anything about it? Hound the chancellor until she gets back to you. If I wanted into a school and didn't get a spot that was being taken by non-DC residents you bet that I would follow up everywhere. Call my council person, contact the office of the mayor, and in general, just cause a big stink. Stand at the school for drop off and note the number of MD plates.