Nonresidents get a pass on DCPS tuition

[Anonymous]

^^the implication was that the teacher felt compelled to verify the student's residency on her own. I am a neighbor of this family for over 10 years--I have no reason not to believe that this happened. It was at a JKLM school.
I think there are more random independent checks than we know. I know of a white family that lives across the line in Friendship Heights that is breaking the law on this. No one has showed up at their door. (as far as I know, it continues, the kid is still in my ds's class) It has been going on for 3 years. The principal may direct the action on these things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well. Anyone who has relative in the district could produce
a driver's license and a bank statement with the DC address. You only need two lame pieces of ID that could easily be obtained fraudulently to satisfy the requirement.

That's the problem; it's too easy. I know of a black family in our 20016 neighborhood who had a teacher randomly show up at her home on the pretense of not being able to to reach her "live" to tell her that she was cancelling a parent teacher meeting with her. The teacher had left messages on their message machine but then the teacher just showed up at the family's door on the Monday of the Columbus Day holiday It was based on nothing other than the child's race.

There are abuses on both sides.

Freaky and insulting.

Hope that teacher is still scorching with embarrassment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well. Anyone who has relative in the district could produce
a driver's license and a bank statement with the DC address. You only need two lame pieces of ID that could easily be obtained fraudulently to satisfy the requirement.

That's the problem; it's too easy. I know of a black family in our 20016 neighborhood who had a teacher randomly show up at her home on the pretense of not being able to to reach her "live" to tell her that she was cancelling a parent teacher meeting with her. The teacher had left messages on their message machine but then the teacher just showed up at the family's door on the Monday of the Columbus Day holiday It was based on nothing other than the child's race.

There are abuses on both sides.

I hope your neighbor spoke with the Principal.

[Anonymous]

It's not going to stop, it will never stop. I don't care what methods are being taken or will be implemented. The added craziness is the charter-school madness and the OSSE way of ignoring all that is school related.

Can one honestly say that the tuition required to attend DCPS is anyway comparable to the weighted student formula for educating a student?

Again, there are not enough neighborhood kids to make some of these neighborhood schools viable. In some certain cases you might have some elementary schools luck out but not the high-schools. It is already evident that the middle-schools have gone by the way of the pre-historic animal due to the lack of enrollment.

You want another eye-opener, look at the DCYO student roster and again a DC sponsored and supported activity through DC tax-dollars. But look at the license plates of the cars who are picking up their little-darlings; please don't tell me that everyone has a playdate pick-up with MD and VA residents.

I am speculating that anything that has the moniker of DC Youth would have the make-up of the same reflection and with it being a DC tax based supported activity that a majority resident requirement should also be evident.

DCPS has become the Washington Redskins of their own being. Where that organization will adorn the city name but actually located in areas of Maryland and Virginia. So, we will educate children but not necessarily all are of the DC ilk. The new acronym should be DCPSC which stands for DC Plus Surrounding Counties.

[Anonymous]

There's also the issue of many people owning properties in the DC/VA/MD area--so what do you do? A license plate is not necessarily a determining factor of where a person actually live-?

Anonymous wrote:It's not going to stop, it will never stop. I don't care what methods are being taken or will be implemented. The added craziness is the charter-school madness and the OSSE way of ignoring all that is school related.

Can one honestly say that the tuition required to attend DCPS is anyway comparable to the weighted student formula for educating a student?

Again, there are not enough neighborhood kids to make some of these neighborhood schools viable. In some certain cases you might have some elementary schools luck out but not the high-schools. It is already evident that the middle-schools have gone by the way of the pre-historic animal due to the lack of enrollment.

You want another eye-opener, look at the DCYO student roster and again a DC sponsored and supported activity through DC tax-dollars. But look at the license plates of the cars who are picking up their little-darlings; please don't tell me that everyone has a playdate pick-up with MD and VA residents.

I am speculating that anything that has the moniker of DC Youth would have the make-up of the same reflection and with it being a DC tax based supported activity that a majority resident requirement should also be evident.

DCPS has become the Washington Redskins of their own being. Where that organization will adorn the city name but actually located in areas of Maryland and Virginia. So, we will educate children but not necessarily all are of the DC ilk. The new acronym should be DCPSC which stands for DC Plus Surrounding Counties.

[Anonymous]

there are a lot of checks that can be done to start the process that are non-evasive.

For example, public records show sales of homes. So you can cross check any sale with the address of a child enrolled. If they are still "claiming" the previous address, send a piece of registered mail to the address.

This is an inexpensive and easy way to start cleaning up the problem. All you need to do is to start cleaning it up, and people get scared that they will find them. If the school enforces real penalties - for example they established a policy that you need to withdraw your child immediately if identified as fradulant enrollement. Some parent's would think that it is not worth the risk of getting caught b/c they would be stuck without before / after care or care at all.

[Anonymous]

Again, there are not enough neighborhood kids to make some of these neighborhood schools viable.

Interesting. Obviously, I don't disagree. But you'll notice that, say, Montgomery County Public schools don't address the problem of fallling enrollment by providing free educations to the children of DC residents.

In a healthy environment where adults are running the system (and where adults make up the voting population) you do it by closing facilities.

Of course, if you do the "adult" thing in DC, you get voted out of office. Just ask Fenty.

[Anonymous]

Remember that the issue isn't just confined to schools that are underenrolled. There are out-of-District students at schools that are oversubsribed and where children who actually live in Washington are not getting through the lottery. The OOD enrollees are diretly taking spots that should have gone to DC resident students.

[Anonymous]

i think there is very little incentive for principals and administrators to look into non-residents taking up space in our schools. they need the numbers! when enrollment drops, budgets drop and schools close. they'll take any body they can get! don't rock the boat, baby.

i think it stinks, too. non-residents need to pony up!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There's also the issue of many people owning properties in the DC/VA/MD area--so what do you do? A license plate is not necessarily a determining factor of where a person actually live-?

Anonymous wrote:

Make people register where they reside...that is the law! I don't care if you have a rental property in DC and live in MD...register your car in MD dammit. But that's a whole other issue. Don't be mad if you fall under investigation because you're too lazy to get recent plates. I'd rather over investigate then under. Same with nanny issues, send a note for you DC's record saying "Billy has a nanny that has MD plates and sometimes Grandma with VA plates picks her up" just wanted to let you know in case questions ever arose.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There's also the issue of many people owning properties in the DC/VA/MD area--so what do you do? A license plate is not necessarily a determining factor of where a person actually live-?

Anonymous wrote:

Make people register where they reside...that is the law! I don't care if you have a rental property in DC and live in MD...register your car in MD dammit. But that's a whole other issue. Don't be mad if you fall under investigation because you're too lazy to get recent plates. I'd rather over investigate then under. Same with nanny issues, send a note for you DC's record saying "Billy has a nanny that has MD plates and sometimes Grandma with VA plates picks her up" just wanted to let you know in case questions ever arose.

**thAn under investigate*** sorry using iPad with auto correct

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There's also the issue of many people owning properties in the DC/VA/MD area--so what do you do? A license plate is not necessarily a determining factor of where a person actually live-?

Anonymous wrote:

Make people register where they reside...that is the law! I don't care if you have a rental property in DC and live in MD...register your car in MD dammit. But that's a whole other issue. Don't be mad if you fall under investigation because you're too lazy to get recent plates. I'd rather over investigate then under. Same with nanny issues, send a note for you DC's record saying "Billy has a nanny that has MD plates and sometimes Grandma with VA plates picks her up" just wanted to let you know in case questions ever arose.

I don't think this is a battle DC school/charter is ready to fight! They are not going to lose funding because of a few disgruntled parents. You win some, you lose some! I was shutout last year, but I was admitted this year! Applied at 7 charters, but I got a spot this year. I also applied private. Good luck to you, and hopefully, you will get a spot if you haven't already.

**thAn under investigate*** sorry using iPad with auto correct

[Anonymous]

You only have to supply two articles for proof. Okay and from that point on, everything else is correspondence through e-mail, cell-phone or meetings at 6pm. When was is the last time...someone from DCPS actually called and reached a parent on the "home" phone?

Then, you don't even want to experience DCPS "snail-mail" process.

I chuckle at the cross-reference point of the real estate listing and actual address. Yeah, DCPS could contract with ReMax for validation.

The incentive for principals to turn in wrong-doers would have to be quite substantial as this would mean union negotiations.

A school advocate said the most flagrant violaton of the residency requirement is at CHEC, not only is there disregard for residency but a disregard to US citizenship is quite the norm. A DCPS and INS intervention would definitely would promote some interesting results.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
The incentive for principals to turn in wrong-doers would have to be quite substantial as this would mean union negotiations.

A school advocate said the most flagrant violaton of the residency requirement is at CHEC, not only is there disregard for residency but a disregard to US citizenship is quite the norm. A DCPS and INS intervention would definitely would promote some interesting results.

1) Why on earth would it involve union negotiations?
2) There is no law saying that you have to be a US citizen to attend DCPS.

Stop making stuff up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The incentive for principals to turn in wrong-doers would have to be quite substantial as this would mean union negotiations.

A school advocate said the most flagrant violaton of the residency requirement is at CHEC, not only is there disregard for residency but a disregard to US citizenship is quite the norm. A DCPS and INS intervention would definitely would promote some interesting results.

1) Why on earth would it involve union negotiations?
2) There is no law saying that you have to be a US citizen to attend DCPS.

Stop making stuff up.

Ok..I wad on board at first. Now you all have jumped off the cliff, contacting INS, CIA, FBI, please!!!!! Get real! Your child didn't get picked for the lottery, give it a rest! Most of us have Ben ther, and done that. Trust me, you will live and your child will go to school in the fall. It's a lottery! Use your energy to improve neighborhood schools, and you would not be going crazy over the charters! I am a DC resident, as well. Stop whining..you have to take the good with the bad. Sure, nonresidents may take a few spots, but hopefully, they are contributing to the success of the school by increasing test scores and parental involvement.