Smoking question

[Anonymous]

I and everyone I know who smokes or used to started smoking at age 15 or so. Not the best age to understand the reasons not to start.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not "angry lady" here, but get real OP. You asked a question about what is a legitimately annoying, even anger-inducing, habit.

I don't care what your reasons, there is no excuse for dumping your cigarettes on the ground. Fire hazard? Spit on it, quench it, drop the tip.

And flicking cigarettes from the car because you don't want to get your ashtray dirty? Oh god that alone makes me angry. It is completely self-absorbed and harmful behavior. People do this with food trash, too. Don't want to get their cars dirty, so they leave their wrappers etc. by the side of the car in a parking lot then drive away.

Cigarettes or trash, it pisses me off that some people think it is okay to trash the environment because they are too lazy to walk to a trashcan or expect someone else to clean it up.

I don't give a crap if smokers smoke, as long as it doesn't affect me. But if I have to wade past a toxic cloud to get to my classroom, or look at lipstick stained disgusting butts all over the ground, or have one hit my car and spark as I'm minding my own business, anger is an appropriate response.

So OP--stop trying to dictate how people respond. And your little throwaway line about anger more harmful than smoking? Laughable on its face, both in content and purpose.

Yup. All litter makes me a little but angry. It should make everybody angry--or is upset a more reasonable word? Whatever--we should be angry/upset enough to do something about stopping littering, not just getting mildly annoyed at the trashing of our public spaces.

Part of your problem is that this induces anger in you. Irritation? Understandable reaction. Anger? You have issues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not "angry lady" here, but get real OP. You asked a question about what is a legitimately annoying, even anger-inducing, habit.

I don't care what your reasons, there is no excuse for dumping your cigarettes on the ground. Fire hazard? Spit on it, quench it, drop the tip.

And flicking cigarettes from the car because you don't want to get your ashtray dirty? Oh god that alone makes me angry. It is completely self-absorbed and harmful behavior. People do this with food trash, too. Don't want to get their cars dirty, so they leave their wrappers etc. by the side of the car in a parking lot then drive away.

Cigarettes or trash, it pisses me off that some people think it is okay to trash the environment because they are too lazy to walk to a trashcan or expect someone else to clean it up.

I don't give a crap if smokers smoke, as long as it doesn't affect me. But if I have to wade past a toxic cloud to get to my classroom, or look at lipstick stained disgusting butts all over the ground, or have one hit my car and spark as I'm minding my own business, anger is an appropriate response.

So OP--stop trying to dictate how people respond. And your little throwaway line about anger more harmful than smoking? Laughable on its face, both in content and purpose.

Part of your problem is that this induces anger in you. Irritation? Understandable reaction. Anger? You have issues.

Seriously? NP - it certainly makes me angry. I participate in neighborhood cleanups every spring and guess what a ton of the time is spent on? picking up 100's of cigarette butts ground into the sidewalk cracks. Yes it makes me angry. For those people who think that some sort of magic fairy cleans up your TRASH, the fairies are actually people who care more about their community than you do. So yes, I am angry when smokers think they are entitled to litter. There is no difference between that and throwing anything else on the ground.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not "angry lady" here, but get real OP. You asked a question about what is a legitimately annoying, even anger-inducing, habit.

I don't care what your reasons, there is no excuse for dumping your cigarettes on the ground. Fire hazard? Spit on it, quench it, drop the tip.

And flicking cigarettes from the car because you don't want to get your ashtray dirty? Oh god that alone makes me angry. It is completely self-absorbed and harmful behavior. People do this with food trash, too. Don't want to get their cars dirty, so they leave their wrappers etc. by the side of the car in a parking lot then drive away.

Cigarettes or trash, it pisses me off that some people think it is okay to trash the environment because they are too lazy to walk to a trashcan or expect someone else to clean it up.

I don't give a crap if smokers smoke, as long as it doesn't affect me. But if I have to wade past a toxic cloud to get to my classroom, or look at lipstick stained disgusting butts all over the ground, or have one hit my car and spark as I'm minding my own business, anger is an appropriate response.

So OP--stop trying to dictate how people respond. And your little throwaway line about anger more harmful than smoking? Laughable on its face, both in content and purpose.

Part of your problem is that this induces anger in you. Irritation? Understandable reaction. Anger? You have issues.

Seriously? NP - it certainly makes me angry. I participate in neighborhood cleanups every spring and guess what a ton of the time is spent on? picking up 100's of cigarette butts ground into the sidewalk cracks. Yes it makes me angry. For those people who think that some sort of magic fairy cleans up your TRASH, the fairies are actually people who care more about their community than you do. So yes, I am angry when smokers think they are entitled to litter. There is no difference between that and throwing anything else on the ground.

Yes, seriously. If this is the sort of thing that makes you angry, your priorities are in for a rude awakening one way or another. Cigarette butts are annoying - like any other kind of litter. I'm not making excuses for litter. It is, however, litter. And if litter makes you angry, then life is going to be long and hard for you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not "angry lady" here, but get real OP. You asked a question about what is a legitimately annoying, even anger-inducing, habit.

I don't care what your reasons, there is no excuse for dumping your cigarettes on the ground. Fire hazard? Spit on it, quench it, drop the tip.

And flicking cigarettes from the car because you don't want to get your ashtray dirty? Oh god that alone makes me angry. It is completely self-absorbed and harmful behavior. People do this with food trash, too. Don't want to get their cars dirty, so they leave their wrappers etc. by the side of the car in a parking lot then drive away.

Cigarettes or trash, it pisses me off that some people think it is okay to trash the environment because they are too lazy to walk to a trashcan or expect someone else to clean it up.

I don't give a crap if smokers smoke, as long as it doesn't affect me. But if I have to wade past a toxic cloud to get to my classroom, or look at lipstick stained disgusting butts all over the ground, or have one hit my car and spark as I'm minding my own business, anger is an appropriate response.

So OP--stop trying to dictate how people respond. And your little throwaway line about anger more harmful than smoking? Laughable on its face, both in content and purpose.

Part of your problem is that this induces anger in you. Irritation? Understandable reaction. Anger? You have issues.

Seriously? NP - it certainly makes me angry. I participate in neighborhood cleanups every spring and guess what a ton of the time is spent on? picking up 100's of cigarette butts ground into the sidewalk cracks. Yes it makes me angry. For those people who think that some sort of magic fairy cleans up your TRASH, the fairies are actually people who care more about their community than you do. So yes, I am angry when smokers think they are entitled to litter. There is no difference between that and throwing anything else on the ground.

Yes, seriously. If this is the sort of thing that makes you angry, your priorities are in for a rude awakening one way or another. Cigarette butts are annoying - like any other kind of litter. I'm not making excuses for litter. It is, however, litter. And if litter makes you angry, then life is going to be long and hard for you.

I guess nothing makes YOU angry because you just calm down by smoking and tossing your used butts everywhere. Yes, litter makes me angry (oh, I'm a different poster than the other ones in this thread). I don't know why you're so focused on who's angry or not, but I guess it's because you want to change the subject from littering to anger and make it sound like WE have a problem. Very little makes me angry. People smoking and then tossing their butts anywhere they please does.

Oh, and has it been mentioned that tossed cigarette butts have caused massive forest fires? That doesn't make you angry? That someone can be so careless and inconsiderate that they just toss a still smoldering butt out and end up burning up thousands of acres of forest and burning down homes and displacing people....that just sends you calmly on your way, or makes you a little "irritated"? Anger isn't a bad thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not "angry lady" here, but get real OP. You asked a question about what is a legitimately annoying, even anger-inducing, habit.

I don't care what your reasons, there is no excuse for dumping your cigarettes on the ground. Fire hazard? Spit on it, quench it, drop the tip.

And flicking cigarettes from the car because you don't want to get your ashtray dirty? Oh god that alone makes me angry. It is completely self-absorbed and harmful behavior. People do this with food trash, too. Don't want to get their cars dirty, so they leave their wrappers etc. by the side of the car in a parking lot then drive away.

Cigarettes or trash, it pisses me off that some people think it is okay to trash the environment because they are too lazy to walk to a trashcan or expect someone else to clean it up.

I don't give a crap if smokers smoke, as long as it doesn't affect me. But if I have to wade past a toxic cloud to get to my classroom, or look at lipstick stained disgusting butts all over the ground, or have one hit my car and spark as I'm minding my own business, anger is an appropriate response.

So OP--stop trying to dictate how people respond. And your little throwaway line about anger more harmful than smoking? Laughable on its face, both in content and purpose.

Part of your problem is that this induces anger in you. Irritation? Understandable reaction. Anger? You have issues.

Seriously? NP - it certainly makes me angry. I participate in neighborhood cleanups every spring and guess what a ton of the time is spent on? picking up 100's of cigarette butts ground into the sidewalk cracks. Yes it makes me angry. For those people who think that some sort of magic fairy cleans up your TRASH, the fairies are actually people who care more about their community than you do. So yes, I am angry when smokers think they are entitled to litter. There is no difference between that and throwing anything else on the ground.

Yes, seriously. If this is the sort of thing that makes you angry, your priorities are in for a rude awakening one way or another. Cigarette butts are annoying - like any other kind of litter. I'm not making excuses for litter. It is, however, litter. And if litter makes you angry, then life is going to be long and hard for you.

I guess nothing makes YOU angry because you just calm down by smoking and tossing your used butts everywhere. Yes, litter makes me angry (oh, I'm a different poster than the other ones in this thread). I don't know why you're so focused on who's angry or not, but I guess it's because you want to change the subject from littering to anger and make it sound like WE have a problem. Very little makes me angry. People smoking and then tossing their butts anywhere they please does.

Oh, and has it been mentioned that tossed cigarette butts have caused massive forest fires? That doesn't make you angry? That someone can be so careless and inconsiderate that they just toss a still smoldering butt out and end up burning up thousands of acres of forest and burning down homes and displacing people....that just sends you calmly on your way, or makes you a little "irritated"? Anger isn't a bad thing.

You guess wrong. I don't smoke. It's simply a matter of prioritizing, and litter isn't something to get angry about.

And your point about forest fires is completely off point. The 5+ pages of this thread which I bothered to read and only recent joined are quite clearly about an urban environment.

[Anonymous]

SO I have this clear: it is okay to be sanguinely annoyed, but not actually upset, over litter? Because as priorities go, the filthification of urban environments is low, at least low enough to barely register a response. And if someone does get angry over litter, cigarette butts included, they have anger issues and life is going to be "long and hard."


You have done a nice job shifting the issue in this thread from cigarette litter to psychology. Brava. But the fact remains that if we all don't get a little angry about litter, if we only see it is an unchangeable "annoyance," we are in for worse impacts on our environment.

[Anonymous]

Yes, seriously. If this is the sort of thing that makes you angry, your priorities are in for a rude awakening one way or another. Cigarette butts are annoying - like any other kind of litter. I'm not making excuses for litter. It is, however, litter. And if litter makes you angry, then life is going to be long and hard for you.

Hilarious!!! Best line ever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not "angry lady" here, but get real OP. You asked a question about what is a legitimately annoying, even anger-inducing, habit.

I don't care what your reasons, there is no excuse for dumping your cigarettes on the ground. Fire hazard? Spit on it, quench it, drop the tip.

And flicking cigarettes from the car because you don't want to get your ashtray dirty? Oh god that alone makes me angry. It is completely self-absorbed and harmful behavior. People do this with food trash, too. Don't want to get their cars dirty, so they leave their wrappers etc. by the side of the car in a parking lot then drive away.

Cigarettes or trash, it pisses me off that some people think it is okay to trash the environment because they are too lazy to walk to a trashcan or expect someone else to clean it up.

I don't give a crap if smokers smoke, as long as it doesn't affect me. But if I have to wade past a toxic cloud to get to my classroom, or look at lipstick stained disgusting butts all over the ground, or have one hit my car and spark as I'm minding my own business, anger is an appropriate response.

So OP--stop trying to dictate how people respond. And your little throwaway line about anger more harmful than smoking? Laughable on its face, both in content and purpose.

Part of your problem is that this induces anger in you. Irritation? Understandable reaction. Anger? You have issues.

Seriously? NP - it certainly makes me angry. I participate in neighborhood cleanups every spring and guess what a ton of the time is spent on? picking up 100's of cigarette butts ground into the sidewalk cracks. Yes it makes me angry. For those people who think that some sort of magic fairy cleans up your TRASH, the fairies are actually people who care more about their community than you do. So yes, I am angry when smokers think they are entitled to litter. There is no difference between that and throwing anything else on the ground.

Yes, seriously. If this is the sort of thing that makes you angry, your priorities are in for a rude awakening one way or another. Cigarette butts are annoying - like any other kind of litter. I'm not making excuses for litter. It is, however, litter. And if litter makes you angry, then life is going to be long and hard for you.

I guess nothing makes YOU angry because you just calm down by smoking and tossing your used butts everywhere. Yes, litter makes me angry (oh, I'm a different poster than the other ones in this thread). I don't know why you're so focused on who's angry or not, but I guess it's because you want to change the subject from littering to anger and make it sound like WE have a problem. Very little makes me angry. People smoking and then tossing their butts anywhere they please does.

Oh, and has it been mentioned that tossed cigarette butts have caused massive forest fires? That doesn't make you angry? That someone can be so careless and inconsiderate that they just toss a still smoldering butt out and end up burning up thousands of acres of forest and burning down homes and displacing people....that just sends you calmly on your way, or makes you a little "irritated"? Anger isn't a bad thing.

You guess wrong. I don't smoke. It's simply a matter of prioritizing, and litter isn't something to get angry about.

And your point about forest fires is completely off point. The 5+ pages of this thread which I bothered to read and only recent joined are quite clearly about an urban environment.

Spoken like a truly entitled asshole.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Spoken like a truly entitled asshole.

No, spoken like someone who is sane.

Your anger management system breaks down at the sight of litter. I hope you don't drive. If you got cut-off on the freeway, you would be an extremely dangerous person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Spoken like a truly entitled asshole.

No, spoken like someone who is sane.

Your anger management system breaks down at the sight of litter. I hope you don't drive. If you got cut-off on the freeway, you would be an extremely dangerous person.

I'm the PP you're quoting and what gave you the impression that my anger management system breaks down because I called you an entitled asshole, which you are. I'm not the other poster you think is so angry, but who is rightfully pointing out to entitled pricks like yourself that when you toss something on the ground, you are saying, "hey, someone else, pick up my garbage. I'm too good for such mundane tasks as dealing with my own filth. You, over there, pick it up."
Again, you're an asshole if you think that's OK. Who do you think picks up your filth? Or have you never even stooped to the level of thinking about it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Spoken like a truly entitled asshole.

No, spoken like someone who is sane.

Your anger management system breaks down at the sight of litter. I hope you don't drive. If you got cut-off on the freeway, you would be an extremely dangerous person.

I'm the PP you're quoting and what gave you the impression that my anger management system breaks down because I called you an entitled asshole, which you are. I'm not the other poster you think is so angry, but who is rightfully pointing out to entitled pricks like yourself that when you toss something on the ground, you are saying, "hey, someone else, pick up my garbage. I'm too good for such mundane tasks as dealing with my own filth. You, over there, pick it up."
Again, you're an asshole if you think that's OK. Who do you think picks up your filth? Or have you never even stooped to the level of thinking about it?

No doubt most people agree with you. But I'm with the PP, you sound irrationally angry.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, see I agree with the point of the angry poster - that littering is disgusting and awful and selfish. But the level of anger over this issue astounds me. It takes a lot of energy to be angry, and being angry at trash is just so silly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Spoken like a truly entitled asshole.

No, spoken like someone who is sane.

Your anger management system breaks down at the sight of litter. I hope you don't drive. If you got cut-off on the freeway, you would be an extremely dangerous person.

I'm the PP you're quoting and what gave you the impression that my anger management system breaks down because I called you an entitled asshole, which you are. I'm not the other poster you think is so angry, but who is rightfully pointing out to entitled pricks like yourself that when you toss something on the ground, you are saying, "hey, someone else, pick up my garbage. I'm too good for such mundane tasks as dealing with my own filth. You, over there, pick it up."
Again, you're an asshole if you think that's OK. Who do you think picks up your filth? Or have you never even stooped to the level of thinking about it?

Your reading comprehension is very poor.

The PP expressed her out-sized anger reaction to litter. My initial comment was that it is certainly an irritation, but shouldn't rise to the level of anger. I'm not making excuses for litter, there's a good reason that there's a fine for littering. However, either her priorities are seriously off or she has an anger management problem. Again, if litter makes her that angry, then life is going to be long and hard for her.

As for you, you are tossing wild accusations about which make no sense at all. I don't smoke (which I made clear), I don't litter, and I don't expect anyone to pick up after me; I can't imagine what you think I'm entitling myself to. Apparently your impulse control switch is broken.

[Anonymous]

Nobody knows who is responding to whom at this point.
I think everyone can agree:
1. Littering is bad.
2. It's rude to expect someone to pick up after you.
3. If you smoke, be responsible for your trash.
4. If you smoke, be considerate of those around you who don't want to inhale your second hand smoke.
Did I sum it up OK?