Parents of Black Children, Please Let Me Know Your Thoughts

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Anonymous wrote:Also, if Asians (Chinese) are the majority at the school, keep in mind they can be very insular, meaning they only socialize with one another. That can make a Black child feel very isolated, i.e. , they may not be invited to play dates and birthday parties, etc. And even though Asians are enrolled in ELA programs at high numbers in the 20878 zip code, they will still think they are superior to your child. For example, in a lot of the debates about the re-zoning of Wootton to include more Black and Brown kids, it is predominantly Asians (with limited English proficiency) who are pushing the narrative that this is going to bring down Wootton’s reputation. Additionally, the Asian community has filed a very weak civil rights complaint under this Trump administration over the boundary study. Also, note the same community is who sued to overturn affirmative action.

I give you this info so you know exactly what you are walking into. Good luck.

Asian is not synonymous with Chinese. There are a lot of recent Chinese immigrants specifically from the mainland in some neighborhoods and those communities can be quite insular but many other areas have a huge diversity in Asian-American parents who were born in the States are the 2nd or 3rd or more generations in the U.S. There's really no insular culture I've observed with Asian-American families.

I agree with the PP and had expressed a similar view earlier. Asian Americans are insular as are Chinese immigrants. Asian Americans are the loudest ones who don’t want to be mixed in with who they regard as the poors (look at the Crown thread).

#facts - the group that is the most opposed and yet can’t speak English well enough to articulate it properly but still has the nerve to look down on others.

I’m the PP you’re responding to. I would say most of the rabid anti-Crown group are American born and speak like you speak. The problem with them is they seem rabid and aren’t coherent. Something about worrying about their home values going down, and their perception of a decrease in “status” (which was only in their heads in the first place. No one cares about their rando secondary school). They don’t like the FARMS rate going up, which would correspond with the change of “demographics.” It seems clear to me who they don’t want to be mixed with.

Well, you can choose to believe racist posters like this one, or you can choose to focus on academic excellence. In Asia, schools rank children by their academics, so there is a cultural difference. Wootton is known as an academic pressure cooker, which are the academic skills necessary to succeed if you wish to be globally competitive. This is why Wootton is currently ranked #3 in the state and many anti-asian racists smear the school. For example, the shooter and person shot at Wootton were non-asian, non-white, non-hispanic, non-american native... however the racist posters try to paint a different picture of the school shooting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Also, if Asians (Chinese) are the majority at the school, keep in mind they can be very insular, meaning they only socialize with one another. That can make a Black child feel very isolated, i.e. , they may not be invited to play dates and birthday parties, etc. And even though Asians are enrolled in ELA programs at high numbers in the 20878 zip code, they will still think they are superior to your child. For example, in a lot of the debates about the re-zoning of Wootton to include more Black and Brown kids, it is predominantly Asians (with limited English proficiency) who are pushing the narrative that this is going to bring down Wootton’s reputation. Additionally, the Asian community has filed a very weak civil rights complaint under this Trump administration over the boundary study. Also, note the same community is who sued to overturn affirmative action.

I give you this info so you know exactly what you are walking into. Good luck.

Asian is not synonymous with Chinese. There are a lot of recent Chinese immigrants specifically from the mainland in some neighborhoods and those communities can be quite insular but many other areas have a huge diversity in Asian-American parents who were born in the States are the 2nd or 3rd or more generations in the U.S. There's really no insular culture I've observed with Asian-American families.

I agree with the PP and had expressed a similar view earlier. Asian Americans are insular as are Chinese immigrants. Asian Americans are the loudest ones who don’t want to be mixed in with who they regard as the poors (look at the Crown thread).

Personally our family always welcomes all races, all religions, all disabilities at all parties. However, if there was a parent who made a racist comment like this, their kids are welcome but they can pick them up after the party is over.

Would be nice if all the anti-Crown families felt this way, but alas

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Also, if Asians (Chinese) are the majority at the school, keep in mind they can be very insular, meaning they only socialize with one another. That can make a Black child feel very isolated, i.e. , they may not be invited to play dates and birthday parties, etc. And even though Asians are enrolled in ELA programs at high numbers in the 20878 zip code, they will still think they are superior to your child. For example, in a lot of the debates about the re-zoning of Wootton to include more Black and Brown kids, it is predominantly Asians (with limited English proficiency) who are pushing the narrative that this is going to bring down Wootton’s reputation. Additionally, the Asian community has filed a very weak civil rights complaint under this Trump administration over the boundary study. Also, note the same community is who sued to overturn affirmative action.

I give you this info so you know exactly what you are walking into. Good luck.

Asian is not synonymous with Chinese. There are a lot of recent Chinese immigrants specifically from the mainland in some neighborhoods and those communities can be quite insular but many other areas have a huge diversity in Asian-American parents who were born in the States are the 2nd or 3rd or more generations in the U.S. There's really no insular culture I've observed with Asian-American families.

I agree with the PP and had expressed a similar view earlier. Asian Americans are insular as are Chinese immigrants. Asian Americans are the loudest ones who don’t want to be mixed in with who they regard as the poors (look at the Crown thread).

#facts - the group that is the most opposed and yet can’t speak English well enough to articulate it properly but still has the nerve to look down on others.

I’m the PP you’re responding to. I would say most of the rabid anti-Crown group are American born and speak like you speak. The problem with them is they seem rabid and aren’t coherent. Something about worrying about their home values going down, and their perception of a decrease in “status” (which was only in their heads in the first place. No one cares about their rando secondary school). They don’t like the FARMS rate going up, which would correspond with the change of “demographics.” It seems clear to me who they don’t want to be mixed with.

Well, you can choose to believe racist posters like this one, or you can choose to focus on academic excellence. In Asia, schools rank children by their academics, so there is a cultural difference. Wootton is known as an academic pressure cooker, which are the academic skills necessary to succeed if you wish to be globally competitive. This is why Wootton is currently ranked #3 in the state and many anti-asian racists smear the school. For example, the shooter and person shot at Wootton were non-asian, non-white, non-hispanic, non-american native... however the racist posters try to paint a different picture of the school shooting.

What you said doesn’t take away the true observation. That mob at the fireside chat struck many as being racist, classist.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Also, if Asians (Chinese) are the majority at the school, keep in mind they can be very insular, meaning they only socialize with one another. That can make a Black child feel very isolated, i.e. , they may not be invited to play dates and birthday parties, etc. And even though Asians are enrolled in ELA programs at high numbers in the 20878 zip code, they will still think they are superior to your child. For example, in a lot of the debates about the re-zoning of Wootton to include more Black and Brown kids, it is predominantly Asians (with limited English proficiency) who are pushing the narrative that this is going to bring down Wootton’s reputation. Additionally, the Asian community has filed a very weak civil rights complaint under this Trump administration over the boundary study. Also, note the same community is who sued to overturn affirmative action.

I give you this info so you know exactly what you are walking into. Good luck.

Asian is not synonymous with Chinese. There are a lot of recent Chinese immigrants specifically from the mainland in some neighborhoods and those communities can be quite insular but many other areas have a huge diversity in Asian-American parents who were born in the States are the 2nd or 3rd or more generations in the U.S. There's really no insular culture I've observed with Asian-American families.

I agree with the PP and had expressed a similar view earlier. Asian Americans are insular as are Chinese immigrants. Asian Americans are the loudest ones who don’t want to be mixed in with who they regard as the poors (look at the Crown thread).

#facts - the group that is the most opposed and yet can’t speak English well enough to articulate it properly but still has the nerve to look down on others.

I’m the PP you’re responding to. I would say most of the rabid anti-Crown group are American born and speak like you speak. The problem with them is they seem rabid and aren’t coherent. Something about worrying about their home values going down, and their perception of a decrease in “status” (which was only in their heads in the first place. No one cares about their rando secondary school). They don’t like the FARMS rate going up, which would correspond with the change of “demographics.” It seems clear to me who they don’t want to be mixed with.

Well, you can choose to believe racist posters like this one, or you can choose to focus on academic excellence. In Asia, schools rank children by their academics, so there is a cultural difference. Wootton is known as an academic pressure cooker, which are the academic skills necessary to succeed if you wish to be globally competitive. This is why Wootton is currently ranked #3 in the state and many anti-asian racists smear the school. For example, the shooter and person shot at Wootton were non-asian, non-white, non-hispanic, non-american native... however the racist posters try to paint a different picture of the school shooting.

What you said doesn’t take away the true observation. That mob at the fireside chat struck many as being racist, classist.

Funny how the most classist and racist remarks at that chat were all made by old white dudes, but this thread is absolutely committed to Asian hate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You could consider DC. Many white people in DC are more progressive, well-read and sophisticated than the ones in MoCo and there are also very few Asians. Very different vibe from MoCo if you look in Kalorama Park, Capitol Hill, Glover and Woodley Park. The white parents whose kids attend public school understand the city’s dynamics, racial demographics and are very tuned into local politics, etc. Your kids could go to public school there and not be the only Black one, have more Black teachers and won’t or feel isolated. Or you could even consider a private school - they aren’t all ridiculously expensive and are also diverse.

Uuum I don't know if you ever actually lived in DC and which sides you actually live on.

But most of the whites in DC were part of the whole gentrification of DC. During that whole gentrification process was pushing the Blacks/African Americans to PG County. Like around the early 2000s?

The WORST types of racists are the limousine liberals who try to act and smile in front of other people but really have a sense of superiority or hate. Malcolm X used to preach about watching out for those type of people. It happens in MCPS and Montgomery County too where there was that issue in Kennedy back in the 90s or so, where people were complaining about certain groups thinking they were in charge of the school and programs. And photos of the BLM protests in Germantown, where there was not a photo of a single person of color at those protests.

Yes - I’m Black and I’ve lived in DC with kids in public schools and will be returning soon too, after a brief hiatus.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Also, if Asians (Chinese) are the majority at the school, keep in mind they can be very insular, meaning they only socialize with one another. That can make a Black child feel very isolated, i.e. , they may not be invited to play dates and birthday parties, etc. And even though Asians are enrolled in ELA programs at high numbers in the 20878 zip code, they will still think they are superior to your child. For example, in a lot of the debates about the re-zoning of Wootton to include more Black and Brown kids, it is predominantly Asians (with limited English proficiency) who are pushing the narrative that this is going to bring down Wootton’s reputation. Additionally, the Asian community has filed a very weak civil rights complaint under this Trump administration over the boundary study. Also, note the same community is who sued to overturn affirmative action.

I give you this info so you know exactly what you are walking into. Good luck.

Asian is not synonymous with Chinese. There are a lot of recent Chinese immigrants specifically from the mainland in some neighborhoods and those communities can be quite insular but many other areas have a huge diversity in Asian-American parents who were born in the States are the 2nd or 3rd or more generations in the U.S. There's really no insular culture I've observed with Asian-American families.

I agree with the PP and had expressed a similar view earlier. Asian Americans are insular as are Chinese immigrants. Asian Americans are the loudest ones who don’t want to be mixed in with who they regard as the poors (look at the Crown thread).

#facts - the group that is the most opposed and yet can’t speak English well enough to articulate it properly but still has the nerve to look down on others.

I’m the PP you’re responding to. I would say most of the rabid anti-Crown group are American born and speak like you speak. The problem with them is they seem rabid and aren’t coherent. Something about worrying about their home values going down, and their perception of a decrease in “status” (which was only in their heads in the first place. No one cares about their rando secondary school). They don’t like the FARMS rate going up, which would correspond with the change of “demographics.” It seems clear to me who they don’t want to be mixed with.

Well, you can choose to believe racist posters like this one, or you can choose to focus on academic excellence. In Asia, schools rank children by their academics, so there is a cultural difference. Wootton is known as an academic pressure cooker, which are the academic skills necessary to succeed if you wish to be globally competitive. This is why Wootton is currently ranked #3 in the state and many anti-asian racists smear the school. For example, the shooter and person shot at Wootton were non-asian, non-white, non-hispanic, non-american native... however the racist posters try to paint a different picture of the school shooting.

I wish Asians would stop saying we hate them because they are “successful” - that is not it. Prior to the Asian influx in this area, it was predominantly white and was still an excellent school. In fact, YOU moved here because it was already an excellent school! People have issues with you because you are racist and insular. That is all. And most of the kids at Wootton are from highly educated families, Asian and non-Asian alike. We are Black (lawyer and engineer), make great salaries, prioritize education in our house as well and our kids have done very well academically at Wootton. The “culture of success” at Wootton that you repeatedly take credit for was already there.

[Anonymous]

Pure demographic tells nothing, the black students in our cluster are primarily from low income area who doesn’t live in the same neighborhood, hence neighborhood black population barely interact with them. In our elementary, we have a bused in area, but they go to a different middle and high school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Also, if Asians (Chinese) are the majority at the school, keep in mind they can be very insular, meaning they only socialize with one another. That can make a Black child feel very isolated, i.e. , they may not be invited to play dates and birthday parties, etc. And even though Asians are enrolled in ELA programs at high numbers in the 20878 zip code, they will still think they are superior to your child. For example, in a lot of the debates about the re-zoning of Wootton to include more Black and Brown kids, it is predominantly Asians (with limited English proficiency) who are pushing the narrative that this is going to bring down Wootton’s reputation. Additionally, the Asian community has filed a very weak civil rights complaint under this Trump administration over the boundary study. Also, note the same community is who sued to overturn affirmative action.

I give you this info so you know exactly what you are walking into. Good luck.

Asian is not synonymous with Chinese. There are a lot of recent Chinese immigrants specifically from the mainland in some neighborhoods and those communities can be quite insular but many other areas have a huge diversity in Asian-American parents who were born in the States are the 2nd or 3rd or more generations in the U.S. There's really no insular culture I've observed with Asian-American families.

I agree with the PP and had expressed a similar view earlier. Asian Americans are insular as are Chinese immigrants. Asian Americans are the loudest ones who don’t want to be mixed in with who they regard as the poors (look at the Crown thread).

#facts - the group that is the most opposed and yet can’t speak English well enough to articulate it properly but still has the nerve to look down on others.

I’m the PP you’re responding to. I would say most of the rabid anti-Crown group are American born and speak like you speak. The problem with them is they seem rabid and aren’t coherent. Something about worrying about their home values going down, and their perception of a decrease in “status” (which was only in their heads in the first place. No one cares about their rando secondary school). They don’t like the FARMS rate going up, which would correspond with the change of “demographics.” It seems clear to me who they don’t want to be mixed with.

Well, you can choose to believe racist posters like this one, or you can choose to focus on academic excellence. In Asia, schools rank children by their academics, so there is a cultural difference. Wootton is known as an academic pressure cooker, which are the academic skills necessary to succeed if you wish to be globally competitive. This is why Wootton is currently ranked #3 in the state and many anti-asian racists smear the school. For example, the shooter and person shot at Wootton were non-asian, non-white, non-hispanic, non-american native... however the racist posters try to paint a different picture of the school shooting.

I wish Asians would stop saying we hate them because they are “successful” - that is not it. Prior to the Asian influx in this area, it was predominantly white and was still an excellent school. In fact, YOU moved here because it was already an excellent school! People have issues with you because you are racist and insular. That is all. And most of the kids at Wootton are from highly educated families, Asian and non-Asian alike. We are Black (lawyer and engineer), make great salaries, prioritize education in our house as well and our kids have done very well academically at Wootton. The “culture of success” at Wootton that you repeatedly take credit for was already there.

+ 1.

Sign me,

Exhausted

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, if Asians (Chinese) are the majority at the school, keep in mind they can be very insular, meaning they only socialize with one another. That can make a Black child feel very isolated, i.e. , they may not be invited to play dates and birthday parties, etc. And even though Asians are enrolled in ELA programs at high numbers in the 20878 zip code, they will still think they are superior to your child. For example, in a lot of the debates about the re-zoning of Wootton to include more Black and Brown kids, it is predominantly Asians (with limited English proficiency) who are pushing the narrative that this is going to bring down Wootton’s reputation. Additionally, the Asian community has filed a very weak civil rights complaint under this Trump administration over the boundary study. Also, note the same community is who sued to overturn affirmative action.

I give you this info so you know exactly what you are walking into. Good luck.

Asian is not synonymous with Chinese. There are a lot of recent Chinese immigrants specifically from the mainland in some neighborhoods and those communities can be quite insular but many other areas have a huge diversity in Asian-American parents who were born in the States are the 2nd or 3rd or more generations in the U.S. There's really no insular culture I've observed with Asian-American families.

I agree with the PP and had expressed a similar view earlier. Asian Americans are insular as are Chinese immigrants. Asian Americans are the loudest ones who don’t want to be mixed in with who they regard as the poors (look at the Crown thread).

#facts - the group that is the most opposed and yet can’t speak English well enough to articulate it properly but still has the nerve to look down on others.

I’m the PP you’re responding to. I would say most of the rabid anti-Crown group are American born and speak like you speak. The problem with them is they seem rabid and aren’t coherent. Something about worrying about their home values going down, and their perception of a decrease in “status” (which was only in their heads in the first place. No one cares about their rando secondary school). They don’t like the FARMS rate going up, which would correspond with the change of “demographics.” It seems clear to me who they don’t want to be mixed with.

Well, you can choose to believe racist posters like this one, or you can choose to focus on academic excellence. In Asia, schools rank children by their academics, so there is a cultural difference. Wootton is known as an academic pressure cooker, which are the academic skills necessary to succeed if you wish to be globally competitive. This is why Wootton is currently ranked #3 in the state and many anti-asian racists smear the school. For example, the shooter and person shot at Wootton were non-asian, non-white, non-hispanic, non-american native... however the racist posters try to paint a different picture of the school shooting.

What you said doesn’t take away the true observation. That mob at the fireside chat struck many as being racist, classist.

Funny how the most classist and racist remarks at that chat were all made by old white dudes, but this thread is absolutely committed to Asian hate.

+ 1.

Sign me,

Exhausted

See PP I can do that too.
Stopping talking about Asians as if they are a monolith group and all say and act the same way. Black people don’t like it when people do that. Asians don’t like it either.

[Anonymous]

From what I have been able to observe from my DC’s interactions with different friends, the younger generations get along great for the most part . It’s the parents that are at odds, it feels spiteful. I want to enjoy my family and move forward, I agree with the exhaustion PP feels.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We are looking at two houses in Montgomery County - 20878 area code and would like to put in an offer soon. Love both houses equally but one has better curb appeal and a bit more square footage. However, for the slightly more appealing house, when looking at demographic stats for the zoned elementary school, it has very few Black students enrolled. For the other house, the stats for Black students are much higher - more than double the other school. At both schools, however, the highest demographic is Asian, followed by White/Caucasian.

So my question is - how much would these demographics concern you when looking for a school? My older kid is coming from an elementary school where the proportion of demographics was pretty even across the board, so it’s not really something we had to think about before, although I will say most of their close friend were Black. Have you found it easy for your child to socialize - i.e., play dates, etc.? Has race been an issue at all for your kid - less concerns about us as parents but more concerned for our kids (age 6 going into 2nd grade next year) and (age 4 going into kindergarten year after next). Definitely go to the more diverse school. We chose diverse schools up through college as it more real world. Don’t you want your kids to learn in a more real world environment? I can say now, it was the right decision!

Thank you!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are looking at two houses in Montgomery County - 20878 area code and would like to put in an offer soon. Love both houses equally but one has better curb appeal and a bit more square footage. However, for the slightly more appealing house, when looking at demographic stats for the zoned elementary school, it has very few Black students enrolled. For the other house, the stats for Black students are much higher - more than double the other school. At both schools, however, the highest demographic is Asian, followed by White/Caucasian.

So my question is - how much would these demographics concern you when looking for a school? My older kid is coming from an elementary school where the proportion of demographics was pretty even across the board, so it’s not really something we had to think about before, although I will say most of their close friend were Black. Have you found it easy for your child to socialize - i.e., play dates, etc.? Has race been an issue at all for your kid - less concerns about us as parents but more concerned for our kids (age 6 going into 2nd grade next year) and (age 4 going into kindergarten year after next). Definitely go to the more diverse school. We chose diverse schools up through college as it more real world. Don’t you want your kids to learn in a more real world environment? I can say now, it was the right decision!

Thank you!

Definitely go to the more diverse school. We chose diverse schools up through college as it more real world. Don’t you want your kids to learn in a more real world environment? I can say now, it was the right decision!

Thank you!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You could consider DC. Many white people in DC are more progressive, well-read and sophisticated than the ones in MoCo and there are also very few Asians. Very different vibe from MoCo if you look in Kalorama Park, Capitol Hill, Glover and Woodley Park. The white parents whose kids attend public school understand the city’s dynamics, racial demographics and are very tuned into local politics, etc. Your kids could go to public school there and not be the only Black one, have more Black teachers and won’t or feel isolated. Or you could even consider a private school - they aren’t all ridiculously expensive and are also diverse.

+1 for DC - consider Shepherd Park ES

[Anonymous]

The prob is not an entire racial group, it’s the anti-Crown group and types like that. That subtle racism and classism comes right through.

On the flip side, there is racism toward Asians in general—the automatic distrust, dismissiveness and resorting to stereotypes. Assuming they don’t speak good English is like assuming certain people speak in clicks and other tribal-like behavior.

I would avoid DC—the direction of it is not good.

Go for diverse schools that are well represented in each group.

[Anonymous]

I grew up in a academic pressure cooker asian country, and I avoid wootton HS on purpose for my kids to have a more fun childhood. My American born kids do not speak their heritage language and care much about the culture. They are like typical American kids that do sports, and play all day. We are in a white & jewish dominated ES in 20878, and it has been challenging for me to blend with other families. My kids also go through challenges with friendships because it is mostly parent driven at these ages. I am easy going person that is open to all race and religion.

I have thoughts about it occassionally that if my kids go to Asian dominated ES, that may be a different story. My kids do not understand what other Asian kids speak in their heritage languages, but those Asian kids and parenys tend to ne more friendly to us because we all look the same. For friendship, I would say Asian kids tend to be less drama and parents love to promote harmony.

Not all Asian families are nice because I have come across some Asian families are rude to Asian families and favor non Asian families only. My kid attend cub scout & girl scout which are white dominated, and I have come across some Asian families do not want themselves to be associated with other Asian families. They just try to blend in the American culture so hard that they probably do not care too much about their roots.