Dating as short/unattractive man with decent income

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let’s say you are a 5ft 5 relatively
unattractive man with a decent 6 figure job (300-400k, early 30’s) and attractive women at your level professionally aren’t interested in you (for good reason, they have better options) but you do get a decent amount of interest from professional women you don’t find very attractive, plus women who are attractive but don’t have much of a career. Think server, retail worker in her 20’s who is pretty cute.

Who would you recommend going for?

Totally shallow post, but we live in a shallow world.

Go for both of those types and find someone you get along with duh.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s say you are a 5ft 5 relatively
unattractive man with a decent 6 figure job (300-400k, early 30’s) and attractive women at your level professionally aren’t interested in you (for good reason, they have better options) but you do get a decent amount of interest from professional women you don’t find very attractive, plus women who are attractive but don’t have much of a career. Think server, retail worker in her 20’s who is pretty cute.

Who would you recommend going for?

Totally shallow post, but we live in a shallow world.

"they have better options"? Are you a woman? Who says that stuff? Who thinks this way? You can't rank people like that. Some of the shortest guys I know have wonderful beautiful girlfriends and no they are not rich.

Sure. But he also said he is unattractive and he is not willing to date women he deems unattractive so height is the least of his concerns. He is also crowdsourcing this on DCUM. I think you answered your own questions here; this is a classic 4 wondering if he can buy his way into a 7 or 8 with cash (maybe!) Or if he should "settle" for a 4 to 5 peer who he deems beneath him because they are not hot. I am not understanding this thread of sympathy and enthusiasm for this guy, it's kind of a classic gross male stereotype. He has said nothing at all about wanting a loving partner and longterm happy relationship, he sounds like a vapid loser looking to maximize his value with someone hotter than him. Im shocked by the female responses acting like this is a short guy thing. We've all met this type. If he were fun and lovely and charismatic this wouldnt be the "predicament."

👏👏👏

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, if your selling points are reduced to a height and an income, that’s what is going to limit you. I am only slightly taller and make half what you do and am not conventionally attractive, but have no trouble attracting women. Personality, character, respect, and demeanor matter. So who do you “go for”? The one who doesn’t care about your height and income.

I emphasized my height because it’s a huge deal for most young women these days with respect to overall physical attractiveness. Like you can be handsome but if you aren’t at least a certain height it cancels it out. Overall, probably 80-90% of your dating success is some function of looks and socioeconomic status. I’m also guilty of it so not trying to complain or anything

I applaud OP for being honest about his options and I feel his assessment is entirely correct, based on what is written. Men don't want to date ugly women (OP sure doesn't) and women don't want to date short poor men. It is what it is.

It really depends on what you want OP. Think ahead.

Do you want to be sole-breadwinner for a family (if you want kids), or does that sound stressful?
Do you like the status and prestige that you get from being with a hot girl over the prestige of being married to a high earning doctor type?
What is the race of yourself and the women you like? Latin and Asian men tend to be short. I have seen some very short white guys end up with very attractive Latin/Asian women.

Racist much? You're trying to say that attractive Latin/Asian women would go for losers because they are Latin/Asian? The attractive Latina or Asian women who end up with someone who is short like that person because they find him attractive, charismatic, kind, and all that. I can think of a couple really pretty women I know and one of the men who is short is a very good looking banker and another is an athlete who is a very successful entrepreneur and famous in his field. They could have their pick of tall men and those short men could have their pick of tall women. They wouldn't be dating someone like OP who is insecure and only wants women who can do better for themselves than him whatever that means.

You missed the point which was since Latin and Asian populations skew shorter, Latin and Asian women are more likely to date shorter men than women from taller minority populations. That poster never said short men were losers or that Asian or Latin men were losers. Op makes decent money himself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Attraction is overrated. Find a woman who is horny.

No! Men hate women who actually like them. They want women who aren’t interested in sex. Then they come in here and cry about sexless marriages

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would pick attractive women!

That way you balance each other out. You have enough money to have a nice lifestyle. Enjoy dating the women who are cute.

Who cares if they don’t have big careers? Most women end up scaling back after kids regardless, so it’s a wash. At least if you go for the women who are hot, you’ll have a cute attractive partner.

The kids are cuter too.
However there needs to be some sort of prenup or other ways to protect the high income and assets

300-400k annual is not high enough income to warrant a prenup. OP didn't say anything about his assets. This salary is pretty mid for large financial center cities like NY, Boston, Chicago, SF etc.

Women who make 300-400K are not interested because they can support themselves and only date equals by looks and income. It's not like an ugly/older/shorter man who make $3m a year can easily get a hot woman making 300K/year. She is more likely to prefer a man in her league but suprior in looks

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, if your selling points are reduced to a height and an income, that’s what is going to limit you. I am only slightly taller and make half what you do and am not conventionally attractive, but have no trouble attracting women. Personality, character, respect, and demeanor matter. So who do you “go for”? The one who doesn’t care about your height and income.

I emphasized my height because it’s a huge deal for most young women these days with respect to overall physical attractiveness. Like you can be handsome but if you aren’t at least a certain height it cancels it out. Overall, probably 80-90% of your dating success is some function of looks and socioeconomic status. I’m also guilty of it so not trying to complain or anything

I applaud OP for being honest about his options and I feel his assessment is entirely correct, based on what is written. Men don't want to date ugly women (OP sure doesn't) and women don't want to date short poor men. It is what it is.

It really depends on what you want OP. Think ahead.

Do you want to be sole-breadwinner for a family (if you want kids), or does that sound stressful?
Do you like the status and prestige that you get from being with a hot girl over the prestige of being married to a high earning doctor type?
What is the race of yourself and the women you like? Latin and Asian men tend to be short. I have seen some very short white guys end up with very attractive Latin/Asian women.

Racist much? You're trying to say that attractive Latin/Asian women would go for losers because they are Latin/Asian? The attractive Latina or Asian women who end up with someone who is short like that person because they find him attractive, charismatic, kind, and all that. I can think of a couple really pretty women I know and one of the men who is short is a very good looking banker and another is an athlete who is a very successful entrepreneur and famous in his field. They could have their pick of tall men and those short men could have their pick of tall women. They wouldn't be dating someone like OP who is insecure and only wants women who can do better for themselves than him whatever that means.

You missed the point which was since Latin and Asian populations skew shorter, Latin and Asian women are more likely to date shorter men than women from taller minority populations. That poster never said short men were losers or that Asian or Latin men were losers. Op makes decent money himself.

You're making a lot of assumptions. Many Latina and Asian women I know grew up in the States and date people of all races. Most Asian American women I know actually mostly date tall white guys.

[Anonymous]

Sibling settled in looks, height & income space.
It’s a constant.


Nope.

[Anonymous]

Try cultures/ethnicities that are shorter or put less priority on height (Asian, Hispanic, Jewish). I think the Spanish word for a woman with a nice butt is "latina" because every latina I met fits that description.

Try boots, especially with a high "Cuban" heel like Mark Rubio. You can add 2" by going from flat driving moccasins to shoes with thick soles and heels. There are elevator shoes. Consider Nike Air Force 1's and similar thick soles.

https://runrepeat.com/guides/best-height-boosting-sneakers

Basically, 80% of American women will not date a man who is 5'5". But half of them will date a man who is 5'8". Try it and see.

[Anonymous]

Here is an example of a bit loafer with a thick lug sole that adds a little height.

https://www.nordstrom.com/s/allen-edmonds-arezzo-bit-loafer-men/5319723

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, if your selling points are reduced to a height and an income, that’s what is going to limit you. I am only slightly taller and make half what you do and am not conventionally attractive, but have no trouble attracting women. Personality, character, respect, and demeanor matter. So who do you “go for”? The one who doesn’t care about your height and income.

I emphasized my height because it’s a huge deal for most young women these days with respect to overall physical attractiveness. Like you can be handsome but if you aren’t at least a certain height it cancels it out. Overall, probably 80-90% of your dating success is some function of looks and socioeconomic status. I’m also guilty of it so not trying to complain or anything

I applaud OP for being honest about his options and I feel his assessment is entirely correct, based on what is written. Men don't want to date ugly women (OP sure doesn't) and women don't want to date short poor men. It is what it is.

It really depends on what you want OP. Think ahead.

Do you want to be sole-breadwinner for a family (if you want kids), or does that sound stressful?
Do you like the status and prestige that you get from being with a hot girl over the prestige of being married to a high earning doctor type?
What is the race of yourself and the women you like? Latin and Asian men tend to be short. I have seen some very short white guys end up with very attractive Latin/Asian women.

Racist much? You're trying to say that attractive Latin/Asian women would go for losers because they are Latin/Asian? The attractive Latina or Asian women who end up with someone who is short like that person because they find him attractive, charismatic, kind, and all that. I can think of a couple really pretty women I know and one of the men who is short is a very good looking banker and another is an athlete who is a very successful entrepreneur and famous in his field. They could have their pick of tall men and those short men could have their pick of tall women. They wouldn't be dating someone like OP who is insecure and only wants women who can do better for themselves than him whatever that means.

You missed the point which was since Latin and Asian populations skew shorter, Latin and Asian women are more likely to date shorter men than women from taller minority populations. That poster never said short men were losers or that Asian or Latin men were losers. Op makes decent money himself.

You're making a lot of assumptions. Many Latina and Asian women I know grew up in the States and date people of all races. Most Asian American women I know actually mostly date tall white guys.

So are you unless of course you know most of the Asians and latinas which I highly doubt.

[Anonymous]

Overthinking it, find someone you are attracted to and are happy with. Don’t worry about these categories you have set up, they just exist in your brain and aren’t important.

[Anonymous]

I want the total package. Tall, knitting-pattern good looks and wealthy to boot. Luckily for me I snagged him decades ago<3

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you want smart and ambitious kids? If yes, which future mom do you think you should choose for them?

An educated woman who would be willing to go part time so she can actually be there for the kids.

Lol. Meaning you want a woman who not only earns money but you can use her sacrificing her career as ammo for you to demand she does every single bit of housekeeping and caregiving for you because you are an entitled ass who isn’t interested in women as human beings. And you’re ugly. How novel.

Exactly this. OP sounds misogynistic. He views women as a commodity he’s trying to obtain and not people with whom he can connect and build a life together.

[Anonymous]

If you’re looking for a serious relationship, find a woman with whom you have shared values, interests, life goals, experiences, etc. There also needs to be good chemistry/ attraction, but she doesn’t necessarily need to be that physically attractive. By placing women into two distinct categories (career-minded and unattractive) v. (not career-minded and attractive), you’re thinking about this in the wrong way (and it makes you seem pretty shallow). Maybe the right women is one in your field with whom you have lots of similar interests, experiences, etc. Or maybe it’s a woman with a less developed career but who shares a similar hobby about which you are both passionate or who has a similar family background to you and wants a similar future.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:None of them. Have enough self worth to not go for someone who isn't attracted to you. They won't treat you well.

Go for someone who is into you for you and not what you can buy them or vice versa.

Look for chemsitry and compatibility, not status. If you are attracted to someone and they feel likewise, explore it.

This is the way.