Paradise Season 2 on Hulu

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My favorite parts of this show take place outside of the bunker. I like dystopian adventures like The Walking Dead, The Road, etc. and that's what it's vaguely reminiscent of. Much more exciting than the sterile world of the bunker.

The bunker reminds me a little of a classic twilight zone episode from the 1960s where there is a false alarm fo nuclear war. A family goes into the bunker they built and their best friends/neighbors are banging on the door begging to be let in. Then it turns out it’s all a false alarm and they have to come out and face the best friends they were willing to let die a horrible death. It’s such a great episode because it sticks with you.

Oh how awful! I haven't even seen that episode, but your description will stick with me! Chilling.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think Gary is your typical "basement dweller incel video game player" stereotype, masquerading as a nice guy.

He went out of his way to save the kid, pretty nice of him.

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I think when we are first introduced to Gary, we're supposed to think he's that stereotype, but he very clearly isn't. He is uncomfortable when Enis starts speaking in a vulgar way about the nurse. He's clearly attuned to the fact that Bean is neglected, probably abused, and starving. He never does anything creepy and in fact, when it's time to run for shelter, he ASKS Bean if he'd like to come with him, never forces him to at all. He's also a real gentleman to everyone in the bunker. So he's clearly *not* the stereotype the PP suggests. He's just a lonely soul who has finally found a purpose.

In that respect, while yes - he did kill Enis - I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Enis was not the nicest of guys.

I agree that Gary is sort of a nice guy and a deeply sad character. He said something that made me think he was neglected or abused as a child. I think the takeaway from this is that the disaster and living in a hole for years can do messed up things to your brain. He developed a really unhealthy attachment to Terri that was effectively like an addiction, and like many addicts, when someone threatened to take it away from him, he acted violently. I think the Gary thing is really sad. If he was just a really bad guy, I don’t think Terri would have been so set on saying goodbye in a nice way. She understands how sad it is that he never had a happy day in his life until she came into it. She was basically his lifeline, and she knows that. She had the memory of her husband and kids to get her through. He only had her.

PP here - exactly. And he had Bean to take care of too. Now he has no purpose or anyone to care for and love. I think in the beginning when we see him as a postman noticing Bean's neglect, he understands immediately what's going on because he no doubt grew up in similar circumstances.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think Gary is your typical "basement dweller incel video game player" stereotype, masquerading as a nice guy.

He went out of his way to save the kid, pretty nice of him.

+1
I think when we are first introduced to Gary, we're supposed to think he's that stereotype, but he very clearly isn't. He is uncomfortable when Enis starts speaking in a vulgar way about the nurse. He's clearly attuned to the fact that Bean is neglected, probably abused, and starving. He never does anything creepy and in fact, when it's time to run for shelter, he ASKS Bean if he'd like to come with him, never forces him to at all. He's also a real gentleman to everyone in the bunker. So he's clearly *not* the stereotype the PP suggests. He's just a lonely soul who has finally found a purpose.

In that respect, while yes - he did kill Enis - I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Enis was not the nicest of guys.

I agree that Gary is sort of a nice guy and a deeply sad character. He said something that made me think he was neglected or abused as a child. I think the takeaway from this is that the disaster and living in a hole for years can do messed up things to your brain. He developed a really unhealthy attachment to Terri that was effectively like an addiction, and like many addicts, when someone threatened to take it away from him, he acted violently. I think the Gary thing is really sad. If he was just a really bad guy, I don’t think Terri would have been so set on saying goodbye in a nice way. She understands how sad it is that he never had a happy day in his life until she came into it. She was basically his lifeline, and she knows that. She had the memory of her husband and kids to get her through. He only had her.

She did that to safely extract Bean

Beam was already out. When Gary started getting upset, she hugged him so Xavier wouldn’t have a clear shot. She cared about him, even though she didnt love him.

[Anonymous]

Can someone remind me of what sinatra’s son died of? I guess the plot is something like she went back in time to try to change something and part of it was to take Dylan and put him someplace else so he grew up without her and I guess was saved from whatever he had? I don’t really get how that works because sinatras husband and daughter clearly remember Dylan dying so if someone went back in time to save him, wouldn’t that change their memories?

And there was the message telling Jane’s mother she’s a killer, but it seems like that message is a big part of making her a killer … so is that circular, or was it intentional?

I sort of hate it when tv shows depend on time travel because it almost never makes sense. Captain Janeway in Star Trek once said time travel was her least favorite class at the academy because with all the paradoxes, it just never made any sense.

There was a British show with time travel that made a bit more sense because the premise was that you could only go back so far, and only to a predetermined jump spot. and it was a full reset of time from that jump spot on. Once the jump spot reset, you wouldn’t be able to go back again and that was just set in stone.

[Anonymous]

I think the time travel aspect is too much with this storyline - it doesn't need it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the time travel aspect is too much with this storyline - it doesn't need it.

You probably shouldn’t watch the latest promo

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can someone remind me of what sinatra’s son died of? I guess the plot is something like she went back in time to try to change something and part of it was to take Dylan and put him someplace else so he grew up without her and I guess was saved from whatever he had? I don’t really get how that works because sinatras husband and daughter clearly remember Dylan dying so if someone went back in time to save him, wouldn’t that change their memories?

And there was the message telling Jane’s mother she’s a killer, but it seems like that message is a big part of making her a killer … so is that circular, or was it intentional?

I sort of hate it when tv shows depend on time travel because it almost never makes sense. Captain Janeway in Star Trek once said time travel was her least favorite class at the academy because with all the paradoxes, it just never made any sense.

There was a British show with time travel that made a bit more sense because the premise was that you could only go back so far, and only to a predetermined jump spot. and it was a full reset of time from that jump spot on. Once the jump spot reset, you wouldn’t be able to go back again and that was just set in stone.

Voyager always did a good job with time travel, so did Harry Potter, it can be a great plot device with a good writing team. I'm really liking Paradise but I'm not sure they are going to pull this off.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone remind me of what sinatra’s son died of? I guess the plot is something like she went back in time to try to change something and part of it was to take Dylan and put him someplace else so he grew up without her and I guess was saved from whatever he had? I don’t really get how that works because sinatras husband and daughter clearly remember Dylan dying so if someone went back in time to save him, wouldn’t that change their memories?

And there was the message telling Jane’s mother she’s a killer, but it seems like that message is a big part of making her a killer … so is that circular, or was it intentional?

I sort of hate it when tv shows depend on time travel because it almost never makes sense. Captain Janeway in Star Trek once said time travel was her least favorite class at the academy because with all the paradoxes, it just never made any sense.

There was a British show with time travel that made a bit more sense because the premise was that you could only go back so far, and only to a predetermined jump spot. and it was a full reset of time from that jump spot on. Once the jump spot reset, you wouldn’t be able to go back again and that was just set in stone.

Voyager always did a good job with time travel, so did Harry Potter, it can be a great plot device with a good writing team. I'm really liking Paradise but I'm not sure they are going to pull this off.

With only one more short season I do wonder whether they can end things properly. I think for viewers that aren’t paying close attention to every episode, it’s going to be disappointing. I’m planning to rewatch because in the beginning I didn’t realize how serious the show was and how every scene is important. Also, the year gaps make it harder to remember all the lore.

A few things I’ve been thinking about
-Did Jane fail with Torabi because the steamy shower had her flashing back to the sauna?
-Has Sinatra ever said her son died? She’s certainly referenced losing him, that he’s gone, but I don’t remember her saying he died
-Is the age difference between Hadley and Dylan/Linc different than it was before the bunker? I thought they were closer in age before they lost
him?
-Why is Dylan/Linc on such a schedule to reach the bunker. Is it because he knows Jeremy is engineering the doors opening since he’s already tried this in other iterations?

[Anonymous]

Kind of a letdown. Alex can predict the future. All the kids were saved, Teri was reunited with her kids, and Linc got to meet his daughter. The mountain came tumbling down but everyone got out. X has a new quest.

[Anonymous]

Alex, or more probably something like ALEQS, does much more than predict the future. It manipulates time and events, changing past, present and future. One of the key bits of info we learned is that it can answer an unanswerable question that hasn’t been asked. The implication is that ALEQS has or can acquire all knowledge that exists or ever will exist. ALEQS can tap into “God.”

[Anonymous]

I’m curious whether people have not watched the finale or if people are disappointed with the sci-fi turn Paradise took. It seems like discussion has really fallen off.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I keep getting stuck on stuff that doesn’t make sense, and there’s lots of it.

But a big one is, if the rest of the world is liveable, why don’t they come out of the dome?

This show has so many plots holes. Xavier and his wife meeting in a shared hospital room particularly irritates me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I keep getting stuck on stuff that doesn’t make sense, and there’s lots of it.

But a big one is, if the rest of the world is liveable, why don’t they come out of the dome?

This show has so many plots holes. Xavier and his wife meeting in a shared hospital room particularly irritates me.

Omg that really annoyed me, too!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I keep getting stuck on stuff that doesn’t make sense, and there’s lots of it.

But a big one is, if the rest of the world is liveable, why don’t they come out of the dome?

This show has so many plots holes. Xavier and his wife meeting in a shared hospital room particularly irritates me.

HA!! Me too! When would you ever have a man and woman sharing a hospital room? That annoyed me so much.
DP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m curious whether people have not watched the finale or if people are disappointed with the sci-fi turn Paradise took. It seems like discussion has really fallen off.

Wasn't last night the finale? We are discussing it...