TT / 2T Definitions

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Anonymous wrote:Law schools do not care about your undergrad brand except maybe at YLS SLS, maybe. 90% of admissions is based on GPA and LSAT. Going to northwest flyover state U with a 4.0 and 176 is better than Harvard with a 3.7 and 174 when applying to the T13. These things go in cycles and the “Trump Bump” in applications changed the landscape, but there was an extended period of time where Ivy undergrads didn’t go to law school in previous numbers because they realized the ROI was terrible and it didn’t leverage the prestige of their undergrad. The smartest kids at Ivies who want to make a lot of money go into finance and tech

So basically the only two reasons to go to Harvard are if you want to:

a) Work in consulting / finance;
b) Teach at Harvard

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Anonymous wrote:Law schools do not care about your undergrad brand except maybe at YLS SLS, maybe. 90% of admissions is based on GPA and LSAT. Going to northwest flyover state U with a 4.0 and 176 is better than Harvard with a 3.7 and 174 when applying to the T13. These things go in cycles and the “Trump Bump” in applications changed the landscape, but there was an extended period of time where Ivy undergrads didn’t go to law school in previous numbers because they realized the ROI was terrible and it didn’t leverage the prestige of their undergrad. The smartest kids at Ivies who want to make a lot of money go into finance and tech

So basically the only two reasons to go to Harvard are if you want to:

a) Work in consulting / finance;
b) Teach at Harvard

Teaching at Harvard is off the table for 99% of undergrads. The difficulty of getting tenure track at a U Iowa tier school speaks for itself. Go to Harvard to network for business jobs and to avoid having to go to grad school.

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It’s funny that the “don’t go to Harvard” argument is seeing less pushback than the “don’t go to Trinity” one.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s funny that the “don’t go to Harvard” argument is seeing less pushback than the “don’t go to Trinity” one.

Trinity’s network and quality of education is better. Higher proportion of billionaire and CEO children, whereas at Harvard that’s a small small subset. Most are grinds and a lot are on financial aid

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So I guess we’ve all settled on “B+ student at Trinity” as the ideal path then!

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Trinity’s network and quality of education is better. Higher proportion of billionaire and CEO children, whereas at Harvard that’s a small small subset. Most are grinds and a lot are on financial aid

OK but isn’t “Trinity will help you get into a top college like Harvard” supposed to be a major selling point?

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Anonymous wrote:K-8 schools should be graded on the same scale as K-12 schools. Some of the K-8 schools prepare their kids so well that they often become top of their class in high school. People are starting to see the real benefit of K-8 and that’s one of the reasons why it was extremely competitive (especially all-boys) this year.

Which would be the “TT” K8? In terms of exmissions, academics and competitive to gain admission. I can only think of St B and maybe Buckley

St B sounds right

St Ignatius but a niche audience

Lol

They have the single largest number of boys attending Regis every year and an equivalent number going on to Exeter, Lawernceville, etc. They also have lower acceptance rates than St B's, St D's and Buckley. Does that not qualify?

It does not. Stop trying to make St. Ignatius as a TT happen. Please.

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Anonymous wrote:Even if true, which I disagree with, is it worth it? What is the end goal? So you “succeed” at the pressure cooker and got into Harvard at the cost of mental health, time to develop socially, and time to experiment with interests. Now what? In what paths are you at an advantage vs an equally smart kid who went to, for sake of keeping a consistent example, Browning and then a non-Ivy top 25 college? I guess the parents get to feel good that the “service” they paid for got them some Harvard merchandise?

Yeah, this is a key point in this whole discussion too. Harvard versus the non-Ivy T25 school is going to help for a few specific things you might want to do, namely:

- Work at a top Wall Street or consulting firm;
- Get into a top medical school, though this mostly matters if you want to enter a very competitive specialty;
- Get into a top law school, though this mostly matters if you want to work for a top law firm;
- Get into a top PhD program and from thence to academia, though that's a pretty bleak job market nowadays even for Harvard grads

There was a period where it helped for tech jobs but it no longer particularly does. And with the current upheaval in academia, and ever-dwindling acceptance rates meaning more and more qualified kids are turned away from Ivies, other pieces of this could easily fall apart too by the time it matters.

At any rate, if the vision you and your kid have for their future does not run through any of those paths, spending half of their childhood fighting for a spot at Harvard is pretty hard to justify for anything other than bragging rights.

Law schools do not care about your undergrad brand except maybe at YLS SLS, maybe. 90% of admissions is based on GPA and LSAT. Going to northwest flyover state U with a 4.0 and 176 is better than Harvard with a 3.7 and 174 when applying to the T13. These things go in cycles and the “Trump Bump” in applications changed the landscape, but there was an extended period of time where Ivy undergrads didn’t go to law school in previous numbers because they realized the ROI was terrible and it didn’t leverage the prestige of their undergrad. The smartest kids at Ivies who want to make a lot of money go into finance and tech

I wouldn't say the "smartest" -- just the most risk tolerant. For risk averse folks, law school (for students of this caliber) is still a fairly safe way to a large income.

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Trinity’s network and quality of education is better. Higher proportion of billionaire and CEO children, whereas at Harvard that’s a small small subset. Most are grinds and a lot are on financial aid

OK but isn’t “Trinity will help you get into a top college like Harvard” supposed to be a major selling point?

To some unacquainted with the school. If you went, have a child there, or are close with a family there, you’d know this is far from the case. It will hurt your matriculation.

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Anonymous wrote:Even if true, which I disagree with, is it worth it? What is the end goal? So you “succeed” at the pressure cooker and got into Harvard at the cost of mental health, time to develop socially, and time to experiment with interests. Now what? In what paths are you at an advantage vs an equally smart kid who went to, for sake of keeping a consistent example, Browning and then a non-Ivy top 25 college? I guess the parents get to feel good that the “service” they paid for got them some Harvard merchandise?

Yeah, this is a key point in this whole discussion too. Harvard versus the non-Ivy T25 school is going to help for a few specific things you might want to do, namely:

- Work at a top Wall Street or consulting firm;
- Get into a top medical school, though this mostly matters if you want to enter a very competitive specialty;
- Get into a top law school, though this mostly matters if you want to work for a top law firm;
- Get into a top PhD program and from thence to academia, though that's a pretty bleak job market nowadays even for Harvard grads

There was a period where it helped for tech jobs but it no longer particularly does. And with the current upheaval in academia, and ever-dwindling acceptance rates meaning more and more qualified kids are turned away from Ivies, other pieces of this could easily fall apart too by the time it matters.

At any rate, if the vision you and your kid have for their future does not run through any of those paths, spending half of their childhood fighting for a spot at Harvard is pretty hard to justify for anything other than bragging rights.

Law schools do not care about your undergrad brand except maybe at YLS SLS, maybe. 90% of admissions is based on GPA and LSAT. Going to northwest flyover state U with a 4.0 and 176 is better than Harvard with a 3.7 and 174 when applying to the T13. These things go in cycles and the “Trump Bump” in applications changed the landscape, but there was an extended period of time where Ivy undergrads didn’t go to law school in previous numbers because they realized the ROI was terrible and it didn’t leverage the prestige of their undergrad. The smartest kids at Ivies who want to make a lot of money go into finance and tech

I wouldn't say the "smartest" -- just the most risk tolerant. For risk averse folks, law school (for students of this caliber) is still a fairly safe way to a large income.

Large for those who grew up in okay suburbs, drive leased Escalades, and go to public school. For those who go to Trinity and an Ivy, their definition of large income would require RSUs and carry that FAANG and mega PE provide. You have to a cretin to get a Harvard BA and go to law school.

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Trinity’s network and quality of education is better. Higher proportion of billionaire and CEO children, whereas at Harvard that’s a small small subset. Most are grinds and a lot are on financial aid

OK but isn’t “Trinity will help you get into a top college like Harvard” supposed to be a major selling point?

To some unacquainted with the school. If you went, have a child there, or are close with a family there, you’d know this is far from the case. It will hurt your matriculation.

I’m a trinity grad. Posted a bunch about before. Going to trinity won’t necessarily hurt your odds of getting into a good school. On average, we got into better schools than probably any other high school in the country. Kids with bs and cs got into colleges like
Michigan, etc. what makes it more difficult is you’re competing with other trinity kids, who are extremely well-resourced and talented students. If you do well, you can write your own admissions letter though.

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Trinity’s network and quality of education is better. Higher proportion of billionaire and CEO children, whereas at Harvard that’s a small small subset. Most are grinds and a lot are on financial aid

OK but isn’t “Trinity will help you get into a top college like Harvard” supposed to be a major selling point?

To some unacquainted with the school. If you went, have a child there, or are close with a family there, you’d know this is far from the case. It will hurt your matriculation.

I’m a trinity grad. Posted a bunch about before. Going to trinity won’t necessarily hurt your odds of getting into a good school. On average, we got into better schools than probably any other high school in the country. Kids with bs and cs got into colleges like
Michigan, etc. what makes it more difficult is you’re competing with other trinity kids, who are extremely well-resourced and talented students. If you do well, you can write your own admissions letter though.

They get into better schools because there’s a
Competitive filtering process in admissions. The grade deflation at top privates is really tough. Any one of them would’ve been valedictorian at a middling public HS. All would be top ten percent at top public’s without much difficulty.

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Trinity’s network and quality of education is better. Higher proportion of billionaire and CEO children, whereas at Harvard that’s a small small subset. Most are grinds and a lot are on financial aid

OK but isn’t “Trinity will help you get into a top college like Harvard” supposed to be a major selling point?

To some unacquainted with the school. If you went, have a child there, or are close with a family there, you’d know this is far from the case. It will hurt your matriculation.

I’m a trinity grad. Posted a bunch about before. Going to trinity won’t necessarily hurt your odds of getting into a good school. On average, we got into better schools than probably any other high school in the country. Kids with bs and cs got into colleges like
Michigan, etc. what makes it more difficult is you’re competing with other trinity kids, who are extremely well-resourced and talented students. If you do well, you can write your own admissions letter though.

They get into better schools because there’s a
Competitive filtering process in admissions. The grade deflation at top privates is really tough. Any one of them would’ve been valedictorian at a middling public HS. All would be top ten percent at top public’s without much difficulty.

Nah, we got into good schools because we had good tests scores, most of us had good grades from hard classes and lots of ap’s, and trinity has a great rep with college admissions. Obviously, it’s a competitive private school, but most of us were “competitively filtered” when we were 5, so that’s probably less a factor. Just when it comes to academics, we could, for the most part, play ball.

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Trinity’s network and quality of education is better. Higher proportion of billionaire and CEO children, whereas at Harvard that’s a small small subset. Most are grinds and a lot are on financial aid

OK but isn’t “Trinity will help you get into a top college like Harvard” supposed to be a major selling point?

To some unacquainted with the school. If you went, have a child there, or are close with a family there, you’d know this is far from the case. It will hurt your matriculation.

I’m a trinity grad. Posted a bunch about before. Going to trinity won’t necessarily hurt your odds of getting into a good school. On average, we got into better schools than probably any other high school in the country. Kids with bs and cs got into colleges like
Michigan, etc. what makes it more difficult is you’re competing with other trinity kids, who are extremely well-resourced and talented students. If you do well, you can write your own admissions letter though.

They get into better schools because there’s a
Competitive filtering process in admissions. The grade deflation at top privates is really tough. Any one of them would’ve been valedictorian at a middling public HS. All would be top ten percent at top public’s without much difficulty.

Nah, we got into good schools because we had good tests scores, most of us had good grades from hard classes and lots of ap’s, and trinity has a great rep with college admissions. Obviously, it’s a competitive private school, but most of us were “competitively filtered” when we were 5, so that’s probably less a factor. Just when it comes to academics, we could, for the most part, play ball.

Trinity selects applicants who will get good test scores and work hard at school. IQ can be tested in five year olds. You can tell which may be able to take calculus and which definitely cannot later on. Trinity didn’t get some random assortment of NY youth, otherwise it’d look like a public school with drop outs, pregnancy, and
Heavy CUNY representation

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Trinity’s network and quality of education is better. Higher proportion of billionaire and CEO children, whereas at Harvard that’s a small small subset. Most are grinds and a lot are on financial aid

OK but isn’t “Trinity will help you get into a top college like Harvard” supposed to be a major selling point?

To some unacquainted with the school. If you went, have a child there, or are close with a family there, you’d know this is far from the case. It will hurt your matriculation.

I’m a trinity grad. Posted a bunch about before. Going to trinity won’t necessarily hurt your odds of getting into a good school. On average, we got into better schools than probably any other high school in the country. Kids with bs and cs got into colleges like
Michigan, etc. what makes it more difficult is you’re competing with other trinity kids, who are extremely well-resourced and talented students. If you do well, you can write your own admissions letter though.

They get into better schools because there’s a
Competitive filtering process in admissions. The grade deflation at top privates is really tough. Any one of them would’ve been valedictorian at a middling public HS. All would be top ten percent at top public’s without much difficulty.

Nah, we got into good schools because we had good tests scores, most of us had good grades from hard classes and lots of ap’s, and trinity has a great rep with college admissions. Obviously, it’s a competitive private school, but most of us were “competitively filtered” when we were 5, so that’s probably less a factor. Just when it comes to academics, we could, for the most part, play ball.

Adding to this: my point was to the above poster saying that going to trinity would hurt one’s ability to get into a top school. There is a bit of truth to this cause it’s really hard to be a top student and all high school competition is hyperlocal. A friend of mine who’s an andover grad said something that translates to trinity a bit, too: stay home if your goal is a good college; go if you want to grow as a person and student. I think that’s kind of accurate.