We don’t know if there are gods, or a God

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Anonymous wrote:Only on dcum would multiple people pretend they know with certainty there is or isn’t a God or gods.

I know with certainly that a pink elephant - or an elephant of any color - did NOT set the world in motion. How about you?

How do you know that for certain?

Because that falls outside the realm of the natural world.

People fabricated “supernatural forces” in their mind as a way to explain unknown things before science.

Yes it certainly appears that way - but if you can’t show evidence of a claim, how can you “know with certainty”?

How does one “show evidence” of something that doesn’t exist?

Show evidence that we aren’t living in a computer simulation.

You don’t, you can’t, and that is the point: you should not claim certainty without evidence. If you do, you give the theists the right to do so as well. That is what they want most, a level playing field for their illogical position.

In your second sentence you are asking the question of hard solipsism. Totally different one and not relevant to the god question in any way except as a distraction. Short answer: all debates have to start with some presuppositions. The laws of logic are generally considered the most basic ones. If we can’t agree on the premise that this is reality we experience, no discussion about the nature of that experience can be had so let’s not even bother. If someone’s presupposition is that a god exists (which a large percentage of theist arguments do) then also there is no way to have a discussion about it.

Claiming that something exists is a lot different than claiming something doesn’t. You can’t prove a negative.

Prove that invisible space monkeys don’t sneak your house at night to hide the scissors.

Prove that the god isn’t an invisible space monkey running a computer simulation.

Did you even read what you are responding to?

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Reality is there is no meaning or pupose.

The meaning of my life is what it means to me and to some extent that incorporates what my family interactions are, what we mean to each other.
The purpose of my life is what I feel it to be. In my case, helping my family, enjoying our life together, interacting with our pets, enjoying nature.

I guess I lucked out by not coming from a churchgoing family. I get to believe in god because my life is better when I pray, I am calmer and less scared, but never got all that stuff the atheists are always going on about, like believing in a literal hell after death, that there's a plan that includes me getting t boned by a car, that there's one true religion, yadda yadda.

You are making up your own beliefs then. Either you follow an established religion and all its practices, or you are making up your own. Either set is still a fabricated system, but one entails more buy in from others.

Neither is proof for god(s).

How does someone who doesn't believe in god or religion KNOW that people who call themselves Methodist or Baptist or Episcopalian ALL follow ALL of its practices?

Picking and choosing isn't making up new stuff.


Did I say it was proof for god(s)? Why does proof even matter?

You are being reflexive not reflective.

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Anonymous wrote:So many posts stating that people should face reality, there are no gods or God.

This is not a settled question.

Whomever posts this is stating their opinion, which if correctly stated, they personally don’t believe in gods or a God.

They claim something that no one really knows.

So if you don’t believe in gods or a God, great, that’s your opinion.

But other people do believe in a higher power, gods, a God, or God. Their belief is just as valid and acceptable as not believing.

No, your opinion that Gods exist is not "as valid and acceptable as not believing" unless you apply that same standard to belief in fairies and Santa Claus. They, like God, are invisible beings, that all kids grow out of before adulthood. Also, I bet you only believe in one of the Gods that are out there -- say the Christian God and not the Muslim God. How can that be?

The Christian God and the Muslim God are the same God (Abrahamic God). If you’re going to try and make a point, at least get your facts right.

Did the Christian god dictate the Quran to Mohammed? If so, Christians are in big trouble for not following the rules.

Correct. Pp should get all their facts right before making comments like "The Christian God and the Muslim God are the same God (Abrahamic God)" . Christians do not believe that God dictated the Quran to Mohammed.

Maybe it's the same God but the muslim God did more? and did it later? If so, does that mean all Christians are wrong? Or does it mean that Muslims made up extra staff about God? Now I'm confused. It makes more sense to not believe any of it.

I’m sure to your simple mind, that’s the easier solution. If you admittedly don’t believe in any religion, don’t try to speak to them with authority, as you do above. Stay in your own lane and leave everyone in peace.

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Anonymous wrote:So many posts stating that people should face reality, there are no gods or God.

This is not a settled question.

Whomever posts this is stating their opinion, which if correctly stated, they personally don’t believe in gods or a God.

They claim something that no one really knows.

So if you don’t believe in gods or a God, great, that’s your opinion.

But other people do believe in a higher power, gods, a God, or God. Their belief is just as valid and acceptable as not believing.

No, your opinion that Gods exist is not "as valid and acceptable as not believing" unless you apply that same standard to belief in fairies and Santa Claus. They, like God, are invisible beings, that all kids grow out of before adulthood. Also, I bet you only believe in one of the Gods that are out there -- say the Christian God and not the Muslim God. How can that be?

The Christian God and the Muslim God are the same God (Abrahamic God). If you’re going to try and make a point, at least get your facts right.

Did the Christian god dictate the Quran to Mohammed? If so, Christians are in big trouble for not following the rules.

Actually they are all the same rules every time. It’s just that people keep misinterpreting them.

But did the Christian god dictate the Quran to Mohammed? Or do the Christians have a different story/different god?

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Anonymous wrote:Only on dcum would multiple people pretend they know with certainty there is or isn’t a God or gods.

I know with certainly that a pink elephant - or an elephant of any color - did NOT set the world in motion. How about you?

How do you know that for certain?

Because that falls outside the realm of the natural world.

People fabricated “supernatural forces” in their mind as a way to explain unknown things before science.

Yes it certainly appears that way - but if you can’t show evidence of a claim, how can you “know with certainty”?

How does one “show evidence” of something that doesn’t exist?

Show evidence that we aren’t living in a computer simulation.

You don’t, you can’t, and that is the point: you should not claim certainty without evidence. If you do, you give the theists the right to do so as well. That is what they want most, a level playing field for their illogical position.

In your second sentence you are asking the question of hard solipsism. Totally different one and not relevant to the god question in any way except as a distraction. Short answer: all debates have to start with some presuppositions. The laws of logic are generally considered the most basic ones. If we can’t agree on the premise that this is reality we experience, no discussion about the nature of that experience can be had so let’s not even bother. If someone’s presupposition is that a god exists (which a large percentage of theist arguments do) then also there is no way to have a discussion about it.

Claiming that something exists is a lot different than claiming something doesn’t. You can’t prove a negative.

Prove that invisible space monkeys don’t sneak your house at night to hide the scissors.

Prove that the god isn’t an invisible space monkey running a computer simulation.

Did you even read what you are responding to?

I did. It's bunk. Did you read my comment?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So many posts stating that people should face reality, there are no gods or God.

This is not a settled question.

Whomever posts this is stating their opinion, which if correctly stated, they personally don’t believe in gods or a God.

They claim something that no one really knows.

So if you don’t believe in gods or a God, great, that’s your opinion.

But other people do believe in a higher power, gods, a God, or God. Their belief is just as valid and acceptable as not believing.

No, your opinion that Gods exist is not "as valid and acceptable as not believing" unless you apply that same standard to belief in fairies and Santa Claus. They, like God, are invisible beings, that all kids grow out of before adulthood. Also, I bet you only believe in one of the Gods that are out there -- say the Christian God and not the Muslim God. How can that be?

The Christian God and the Muslim God are the same God (Abrahamic God). If you’re going to try and make a point, at least get your facts right.

Did the Christian god dictate the Quran to Mohammed? If so, Christians are in big trouble for not following the rules.

Actually they are all the same rules every time. It’s just that people keep misinterpreting them.

But did the Christian god dictate the Quran to Mohammed? Or do the Christians have a different story/different god?

Same original God. What’s so difficult for you to understand? You clearly aren’t religious, so why are you contributing?

[Anonymous]

Everyone thinks they know but they don't. If there is a god/s, maybe its not about control over our lives, but just the existence of spiritual energy/force.

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Anonymous wrote:Only on dcum would multiple people pretend they know with certainty there is or isn’t a God or gods.

I know with certainly that a pink elephant - or an elephant of any color - did NOT set the world in motion. How about you?

How do you know that for certain?

Because that falls outside the realm of the natural world.

People fabricated “supernatural forces” in their mind as a way to explain unknown things before science.

Yes it certainly appears that way - but if you can’t show evidence of a claim, how can you “know with certainty”?

How does one “show evidence” of something that doesn’t exist?

Show evidence that we aren’t living in a computer simulation.

You don’t, you can’t, and that is the point: you should not claim certainty without evidence. If you do, you give the theists the right to do so as well. That is what they want most, a level playing field for their illogical position.

In your second sentence you are asking the question of hard solipsism. Totally different one and not relevant to the god question in any way except as a distraction. Short answer: all debates have to start with some presuppositions. The laws of logic are generally considered the most basic ones. If we can’t agree on the premise that this is reality we experience, no discussion about the nature of that experience can be had so let’s not even bother. If someone’s presupposition is that a god exists (which a large percentage of theist arguments do) then also there is no way to have a discussion about it.

Claiming that something exists is a lot different than claiming something doesn’t. You can’t prove a negative.

Prove that invisible space monkeys don’t sneak your house at night to hide the scissors.

Prove that the god isn’t an invisible space monkey running a computer simulation.

Did you even read what you are responding to?

I did. It's bunk. Did you read my comment?

You could try replying to it with some substance instead of nonsense. When did I make any of the claims you ask me to prove? I don’t believe those things, nor do I believe in a god. I am just not going to claim certainty without evidence, nor will I accept it when theists do that, or when others do.

Claims require evidence. It’s basic logic.

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Anonymous wrote:So many posts stating that people should face reality, there are no gods or God.

This is not a settled question.

Whomever posts this is stating their opinion, which if correctly stated, they personally don’t believe in gods or a God.

They claim something that no one really knows.

So if you don’t believe in gods or a God, great, that’s your opinion.

But other people do believe in a higher power, gods, a God, or God. Their belief is just as valid and acceptable as not believing.

No, your opinion that Gods exist is not "as valid and acceptable as not believing" unless you apply that same standard to belief in fairies and Santa Claus. They, like God, are invisible beings, that all kids grow out of before adulthood. Also, I bet you only believe in one of the Gods that are out there -- say the Christian God and not the Muslim God. How can that be?

The Christian God and the Muslim God are the same God (Abrahamic God). If you’re going to try and make a point, at least get your facts right.

Did the Christian god dictate the Quran to Mohammed? If so, Christians are in big trouble for not following the rules.

Correct. Pp should get all their facts right before making comments like "The Christian God and the Muslim God are the same God (Abrahamic God)" . Christians do not believe that God dictated the Quran to Mohammed.

Maybe it's the same God but the muslim God did more? and did it later? If so, does that mean all Christians are wrong? Or does it mean that Muslims made up extra staff about God? Now I'm confused. It makes more sense to not believe any of it.

I’m sure to your simple mind, that’s the easier solution. If you admittedly don’t believe in any religion, don’t try to speak to them with authority, as you do above. Stay in your own lane and leave everyone in peace.

NP. It seems like those who believe are often the least knowledgeable about their own faith. Too likely to paper over the inconvenient parts or ignore what they don’t like.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So many posts stating that people should face reality, there are no gods or God.

This is not a settled question.

Whomever posts this is stating their opinion, which if correctly stated, they personally don’t believe in gods or a God.

They claim something that no one really knows.

So if you don’t believe in gods or a God, great, that’s your opinion.

But other people do believe in a higher power, gods, a God, or God. Their belief is just as valid and acceptable as not believing.

No, your opinion that Gods exist is not "as valid and acceptable as not believing" unless you apply that same standard to belief in fairies and Santa Claus. They, like God, are invisible beings, that all kids grow out of before adulthood. Also, I bet you only believe in one of the Gods that are out there -- say the Christian God and not the Muslim God. How can that be?

The Christian God and the Muslim God are the same God (Abrahamic God). If you’re going to try and make a point, at least get your facts right.

Did the Christian god dictate the Quran to Mohammed? If so, Christians are in big trouble for not following the rules.

Actually they are all the same rules every time. It’s just that people keep misinterpreting them.

But did the Christian god dictate the Quran to Mohammed? Or do the Christians have a different story/different god?

Same original God. What’s so difficult for you to understand? You clearly aren’t religious, so why are you contributing?

This forum is not exclusively for religious people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So many posts stating that people should face reality, there are no gods or God.

This is not a settled question.

Whomever posts this is stating their opinion, which if correctly stated, they personally don’t believe in gods or a God.

They claim something that no one really knows.

So if you don’t believe in gods or a God, great, that’s your opinion.

But other people do believe in a higher power, gods, a God, or God. Their belief is just as valid and acceptable as not believing.

No, your opinion that Gods exist is not "as valid and acceptable as not believing" unless you apply that same standard to belief in fairies and Santa Claus. They, like God, are invisible beings, that all kids grow out of before adulthood. Also, I bet you only believe in one of the Gods that are out there -- say the Christian God and not the Muslim God. How can that be?

The Christian God and the Muslim God are the same God (Abrahamic God). If you’re going to try and make a point, at least get your facts right.

Did the Christian god dictate the Quran to Mohammed? If so, Christians are in big trouble for not following the rules.

Actually they are all the same rules every time. It’s just that people keep misinterpreting them.

But did the Christian god dictate the Quran to Mohammed? Or do the Christians have a different story/different god?

Same original God. What’s so difficult for you to understand? You clearly aren’t religious, so why are you contributing?

Let me rephrase since you are struggling:

Do Christians believe that their god dictated the Quran to Mohammed?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Only on dcum would multiple people pretend they know with certainty there is or isn’t a God or gods.

I know with certainly that a pink elephant - or an elephant of any color - did NOT set the world in motion. How about you?

How do you know that for certain?

Because that falls outside the realm of the natural world.

People fabricated “supernatural forces” in their mind as a way to explain unknown things before science.

Yes it certainly appears that way - but if you can’t show evidence of a claim, how can you “know with certainty”?

How does one “show evidence” of something that doesn’t exist?

Show evidence that we aren’t living in a computer simulation.

You don’t, you can’t, and that is the point: you should not claim certainty without evidence. If you do, you give the theists the right to do so as well. That is what they want most, a level playing field for their illogical position.

In your second sentence you are asking the question of hard solipsism. Totally different one and not relevant to the god question in any way except as a distraction. Short answer: all debates have to start with some presuppositions. The laws of logic are generally considered the most basic ones. If we can’t agree on the premise that this is reality we experience, no discussion about the nature of that experience can be had so let’s not even bother. If someone’s presupposition is that a god exists (which a large percentage of theist arguments do) then also there is no way to have a discussion about it.

Claiming that something exists is a lot different than claiming something doesn’t. You can’t prove a negative.

Prove that invisible space monkeys don’t sneak your house at night to hide the scissors.

Prove that the god isn’t an invisible space monkey running a computer simulation.

Did you even read what you are responding to?

I did. It's bunk. Did you read my comment?

You could try replying to it with some substance instead of nonsense. When did I make any of the claims you ask me to prove? I don’t believe those things, nor do I believe in a god. I am just not going to claim certainty without evidence, nor will I accept it when theists do that, or when others do.

Claims require evidence. It’s basic logic.

So you are not certain if invisible space monkeys sneak your house at night to hide the scissors - or not?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Everyone thinks they know but they don't. If there is a god/s, maybe its not about control over our lives, but just the existence of spiritual energy/force.

You are correct, no one can say with 100% absolute certainty that god does or does not exist.

However, I can use reason and logic to evaluate the information we do have available to make a decision.

Upon review, in my opinion, god does not exist.

I would also say that if you have reduced god down to the bare minimum possible for belief of "spiritual energ/force", why bother believing at all?

We have reasonable, natural ideas for many of life's big questions. They are not 100% complete, and odds are likely we may never have full knowledge.

Seeking out new information to help understand our place in the universe does not require god in any shape or form, however you may want to define it or call it.

[Anonymous]

If there was a god there would be no MAGA
If there was a god there would be no Stephen Miller or Trump or Elon or ....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If there was a god there would be no MAGA
If there was a god there would be no Stephen Miller or Trump or Elon or ....

According to Christian tradition, you are supporting their position. Their god is supposed to be perfectly good, thus they needed the opposite of good to account for the problems in the world. Ergo, satan/devil.

They would say all the bad actions were due to influence by or a deal with the devil 👹